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Cyclists who never stop for red lights

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  • October 5, 2014 at 10:51 pm #815093
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    climber

    “If there were ASL cameras
    “If there were ASL cameras he’d get fined for encroachment.”

    Or she.

    October 5, 2014 at 9:56 pm #815091
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    Initialised

    Beatnik69 wrote:Initialised

    Beatnik69 wrote:
    Initialised wrote:
    Jump the light and the motorist behind hates you for not following the rules.

    Wait at the light and the motorist behind hates you for being in their way.


    Yesterday morning I was waiting at the lights in the green box. Shortly before the lights turned green (actually before they had even turned amber) the taxi that had been behind me pulled alongside me!

    If you’d been in primary (as you should be when stopping for traffic lights assuming there isn’t a cycle lane) the taxi wouldn’t have been to get alongside you. If there were ASL cameras he’d get fined for encroachment.

    October 5, 2014 at 8:23 am #815089
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    MaxP

    I jumped a red light today.
    I jumped a red light today. It had just turned amber, and I could have slowed down but it would have meant I would have stopped in the middle of the cross roads with a big truck on top of me (not as fun as it sounds)

    Made it through to the other side of the road, and so did the two big trucks behind me.

    Lucky it was the early hours, unlucky that trucks act like they are doing the ‘Grand Prix’ at that time of day

    October 5, 2014 at 6:36 am #815087
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    daddyELVIS

    HalfWheeler wrote:daddyELVIS

    HalfWheeler wrote:
    daddyELVIS wrote:

    BTW, I take it from your answer that there are parts of the highway code that you choose to ignore after all!

    You seem to be saying that you’re fine with road users ignoring the odd bit of Highway Code then. What about car drivers overtaking then turning left in front of a cyclist? Or passing with inches to spare? Or is it just cyclists ignoring bits of the Highway Code that you’re fine with?

    And you can’t see the hypocrisy in that?

    Ignoring the Highway Code is a wee bit like lying, racism or dishonesty; it’s something we’re all capable of but not something you should justify or glory in.

    I’m specifically asking you (as you seem to have the most ‘holier than thou’ opinion on this subject) if you ever fail to adhere to the highway code / laws of the road. So far you’ve chosen not to answer directly!

    Regarding your last comment, I’m not saying any of that is OK, what I am saying is (because lots of motorists drive with little regard to cyclists – your examples are typical) then cyclists need to cycle in such a way that keeps them as safe as possible. If that means breaking the highway code from time to time, then so be it!

    Your comment about racism – not sure where that comes into this debate!

    October 5, 2014 at 1:20 am #815085
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    HalfWheeler

    daddyELVIS wrote:
    BTW, I take

    daddyELVIS wrote:

    BTW, I take it from your answer that there are parts of the highway code that you choose to ignore after all!

    You seem to be saying that you’re fine with road users ignoring the odd bit of Highway Code then. What about car drivers overtaking then turning left in front of a cyclist? Or passing with inches to spare? Or is it just cyclists ignoring bits of the Highway Code that you’re fine with?

    And you can’t see the hypocrisy in that?

    Ignoring the Highway Code is a wee bit like lying, racism or dishonesty; it’s something we’re all capable of but not something you should justify or glory in.

    October 4, 2014 at 9:39 pm #815083
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    Beatnik69

    Initialised wrote:Jump the

    Initialised wrote:
    Jump the light and the motorist behind hates you for not following the rules.

    Wait at the light and the motorist behind hates you for being in their way.


    Yesterday morning I was waiting at the lights in the green box. Shortly before the lights turned green (actually before they had even turned amber) the taxi that had been behind me pulled alongside me!

    October 4, 2014 at 7:49 pm #815081
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    Initialised

    Jump the light and the
    Jump the light and the motorist behind hates you for not following the rules.

    Wait at the light and the motorist behind hates you for being in their way.

    October 4, 2014 at 6:58 pm #815079
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    jacknorell

    There’s nothing a cyclist can
    There’s nothing a cyclist can do on the road that deserves the death penalty.

    But some people do seem to be in favour of the drivers exacting just that, given the slightest reason. Some even cycle themselves.

    October 4, 2014 at 6:46 pm #815077
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    mrmo

    I am going to have to side
    I am going to have to side with daddyELVIS on this, there is NOTHING cyclists can or can’t do short of not existing that will solve some motorists problems.

    It isn’t road tax, red lights, it is just being in the way, being able to jump traffic jams, etc etc.

    October 4, 2014 at 6:14 pm #815075
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    daddyELVIS

    HalfWheeler wrote:daddyELVIS

    HalfWheeler wrote:
    daddyELVIS wrote:
    HalfWheeler wrote:

    Besides, just out of curiosity, is there any other part of the Highway Code that you don’t agree with and have decided to ignore? Say, cycling on the right hand side of the road? Or the wrong way in a one way street? Or on the motorway? If not, why? At the end of the day you’d only be harming yourself. Or possibly annoying people.

    Here’s a law (together with an ‘advisable’) I break regularly:

    “…It MUST also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85). White front reflectors and spoke reflectors will also help you to be seen…
    Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24

    …let me guess, all the do-gooders on here don’t break any laws or rules, ever, including the one above??

    You’re right of course. Whenever I hear drivers complain about cyclists then ignoring red lights is rarely mentioned, it always the lack of spoke reflectors that enrages them the most.

    Motorists who complain about cyclists do so because there are cyclists on the road in the first place (a road which, in their opinion, was made for cars). RLJing has nothing to do with. If cyclists never jumped a red light ever again, hatred towards cyclists wouldn’t suddenly stop. The complaining motorist would round off his/her story about the latest annoying cyclist encounter with “…and he wasn’t even wearing a helmet”, or “…and there was a perfectly good cycle path at the side of the road”, or maybe “…and he was riding in the middle of the lane; they think they own the f#cking road”, and then there’s always the good old “…and they don’t pay bl##dy road tax”.

    BTW, I take it from your answer that there are parts of the highway code that you choose to ignore after all!

    October 4, 2014 at 4:16 pm #815073
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    HalfWheeler

    daddyELVIS wrote:HalfWheeler

    daddyELVIS wrote:
    HalfWheeler wrote:

    Besides, just out of curiosity, is there any other part of the Highway Code that you don’t agree with and have decided to ignore? Say, cycling on the right hand side of the road? Or the wrong way in a one way street? Or on the motorway? If not, why? At the end of the day you’d only be harming yourself. Or possibly annoying people.

    Here’s a law (together with an ‘advisable’) I break regularly:

    “…It MUST also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85). White front reflectors and spoke reflectors will also help you to be seen…
    Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24

    …let me guess, all the do-gooders on here don’t break any laws or rules, ever, including the one above??

    You’re right of course. Whenever I hear drivers complain about cyclists then ignoring red lights is rarely mentioned, it always the lack of spoke reflectors that enrages them the most.

    October 4, 2014 at 3:55 pm #815071
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    Initialised

    jmaccelari wrote:the argument

    jmaccelari wrote:
    the argument that motorists also jump lights is daft. If they drove over a cliff…?
    the cyclist would have a much better chance of landing safely:

    http://m.pinkbike.com/news/agassiz-and-lacondeguy-launch-76-foot-cliff-drop-video-2014.html

    October 4, 2014 at 3:24 pm #815069
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    Colin Peyresourde

    I think the issue here is
    I think the issue here is following the rules. The rules are there for everyone’s safety, and if everyone follows them everyone is safe. Isn’t that what we want?

    The problem comes when the rules don’t suit us, don’t appear to fit and seem redundant. I think we’ve all been there when there are a set of red lights and no one around. So why wait? But it’s the same mentality that leads the Audi driver to gun his car 10 mph over the limit, or the escort driver texting her friend. You can talk about moral relativism all you want, because that’s exactly what the escort and Audi driver’s will say. And everyone is right until someone gets hurt.

    I’m no angel, but I do think that what angers people is when they see a flagrant disregard for the rules. That other people disrespect the rules they follow which are for the safety of others. It isn’t really about ‘us’ and ‘them’ it’s about all of us. That doesn’t mean to say that the road designers cannot make roads where pedestrians, cyclists and cars are not being held by red lights when no one is around.

    October 4, 2014 at 3:21 pm #815067
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    Brown dog

    crazy-legs wrote:
    I deal with

    crazy-legs wrote:

    I deal with each road situation in terms of a priority list:
    1) my safety
    2) the law
    .

    As a road user you should add to your priority list ” the safety of others” since you are jumping red lights and riding on pavements.

    October 4, 2014 at 1:51 pm #815065
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    daddyELVIS

    HalfWheeler wrote:
    Besides,

    HalfWheeler wrote:

    Besides, just out of curiosity, is there any other part of the Highway Code that you don’t agree with and have decided to ignore? Say, cycling on the right hand side of the road? Or the wrong way in a one way street? Or on the motorway? If not, why? At the end of the day you’d only be harming yourself. Or possibly annoying people.

    Here’s a law (together with an ‘advisable’) I break regularly:

    “…It MUST also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85). White front reflectors and spoke reflectors will also help you to be seen…
    Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24

    …let me guess, all the do-gooders on here don’t break any laws or rules, ever, including the one above??

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