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Campag 11 speed backpedal woes

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  • May 15, 2014 at 10:54 am #21436
    nicdoye

    I have a problem with a newly installed 11 speed system.

    On my summer bike (short chainstays), on the biggest two sprockets, the chain is slightly fouling the sprocket below it. Now you don’t notice this in normal riding, but if you stop and backpedal to start again, the chain will move to the lower sprockets, and go slack – thus making it impossible to start again. A bummer on a steep hill. (It may happen in the 12 and 13 sprockets too, but I rarely use those. 😉 )

    This is nominally a Campag set-up, but a couple of the parts are third party, which is probably the cause of the problem. The chainline is good (the BB came with the Chainset, so it should be!) so it’s not that. The rear mech adjustment is spot-on.

    Has anyone else had this problem? Especially with either the chain or cassette listed below?

    List of bits:

    • Campagnolo Athena 11 Ergopower Levers
    • Campagnolo Athena 11 short rear mech
    • Campagnolo Athena 11 front mech
    • FSA SL-K 10 speed 53/39 chainset
    • KMC X11-L chain
    • Miche Primato (Campagnolo compatible) 12-25 and 12-29 (both have problems) 11 speed cassette
    • Campagnolo 11 cables
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  • June 3, 2014 at 9:15 am #793251
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    srchar

    You can’t really check hanger
    You can’t really check hanger alignment by eye, but you don’t need to splash out on a tool either if you have an old bolt-on wheel hanging around in your shed or on another bike.

    Screw the axle thread into the derailleur hanger so that the wheel is outside the rear triangle (your bike will now appear to have two rear wheels). If the hanger is straight, the two wheels will be in alignment around their circumference. If not, you can either use the wheel as a lever to tweak the hanger, or just replace the hanger.

    June 2, 2014 at 9:06 pm #793249
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    matthewn5

    +1 for checking the
    +1 for checking the derailleur hanger. The tool for that (Park Tool DAG-1) is around £50, so take it to the LBS.

    The wheel alignment problem sounds odd. Get them to check the frame alignment too. Something might be wrong!

    June 2, 2014 at 10:32 am #793247
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    nicdoye

    Certainly had similar on a
    Certainly had similar on a previous training frame @srchar

    Anyone got any advice on checking the alignment of the dropouts and the derailleur hanger? (Previously, I’ve looked at the hanger by eye).

    Luckily, being old, the dropouts and hanger are aluminium (the frame is carbon), so I have a hope of straightening the hanger.

    June 2, 2014 at 10:01 am #793245
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    srchar

    Sounds to me like the
    Sounds to me like the derailleur hanger is bent towards the front of the bike, possibly the dropouts are bent too if the wheel is not square. Has the rear triangle taken a whack with the wheel removed?

    June 2, 2014 at 8:40 am #793243
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    nicdoye

    Still messed up. I think it’s
    Still messed up. I think it’s the rear wheel – it looks like it’s diagonal or at least offset in the frame. (My other rear wheel sits dead on).

    I stripped the wheel down to the axle, and that isn’t bent, as far as I can tell. So, the next step is to admit defeat and go to the LBS.

    May 15, 2014 at 2:02 pm #793241
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    nicdoye

    @JimmyRayWill that’s
    @JimmyRayWill that’s interesting. Never heard of that!

    May 15, 2014 at 2:01 pm #793239
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    nicdoye

    @pirnie OK, glad to get info
    @pirnie OK, glad to get info from someone uses Miche cassettes too. I was a bit worried about that because the cogs are fairly flat, with no shaping to the teeth at all (compared with my Campag 9sp ones).

    Here’s a link to a picture.

    Probably ancient history to some of you. 😉

    May 15, 2014 at 1:30 pm #793237
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    Jimmy Ray Will

    Have you checked that the
    Have you checked that the tension screw has been done up on the spring for the rear mech cage?

    On a shimano mech its called the B-screw and its located on the spring around the mech hanger bolt. I ask as Campag mechs come as standard with this tension undone… by tightening up you will effectively bring the top jockey closer to the cassette teeth. This should provide slicker shifts, but equally will hopefully let you know if there is a problem with either cable tension, or indeed the straightness or your rear mech hanger.

    That would be where I’d start.

    May 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm #793235
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    nicdoye

    @SPAM Naval New chain and
    @SPAM Naval New chain and cogs 😐

    May 15, 2014 at 1:27 pm #793233
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    nicdoye

    Yes, it’s on the 39. (Also
    Yes, it’s on the 39. (Also happens on the 53, I checked).

    Thanks for that link. I was under the misapprehension that the max capacity of the short cage was 26, so was surprised when it worked with 31.

    The bike is a 1992 Specialized Allez Epic (bonded carbon fibre frame) with c.2001(?) Mavic CXP33 rims on Campagnolo Chorus hubs.

    One random thought is that the wheel isn’t completely straight in the frame, but with vertical dropouts that’s unlikely.

    May 15, 2014 at 1:05 pm #793231
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    NickK123

    sorebones wrote:Not true

    sorebones wrote:
    Not true (duff LBS advice), Campag 11 speed systems can handle up to a 29 teeth cog as standard.

    Thanks ‘Sorebones’ – will follow-up with LBS.

    May 15, 2014 at 12:10 pm #793229
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    pirnie

    I have essentially the same
    I have essentially the same setup on my summer bike, Athena throughout apart from a FSA SL-K 50/34 chainset and a Miche 12-27 cassette (not sure what the chain is since it came new with the bike) and I don’t have the issue you describe so I don’t think it’s a compatibility issue between the parts

    May 15, 2014 at 12:02 pm #793227
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    SPAM Naval

    if my chain and cassette are
    if my chain and cassette are wearing to the point I need to change them, usually the earliest indication is when the chain won’t turn smoothly when I backpedal, and catches or changes cog…

    May 15, 2014 at 11:21 am #793225
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    therevokid

    I’m guessing 39t to 25t/29t
    I’m guessing 39t to 25t/29t is the problem rather than 53t ??

    What frame and wheels ?

    I run a 37t front 27t rear and haven’t noticed this, but then mine’s Chorus11
    throughout….

    Campagnolo list the Athena/Chorus 11 as being able to handle a 29t cassette
    in short and long cage sizes 🙂
    http://www.campagnolo.com/repository/documenti/en/Rear_derailleur_EN_Rev00_07_13.pdf

    May 15, 2014 at 11:20 am #793223
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    sorebones

    Not true (duff LBS advice),
    Not true (duff LBS advice), Campag 11 speed systems can handle up to a 29 teeth cog as standard.

    Is the chain length correct when you test in on both cassettes? If not this then it really does sound like a minor bit of indexing trouble.

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