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  • February 1, 2014 at 5:35 pm #20616
    enrique

    Who wants to get to Qatar without a prep race? Not me! 🙂 So, here we go. A Forum competition for those who can’t live without a race! 🙂

    The Tour of Dubai runs for just 4 days. It’s the perfect race to tweak your team for Qatar and Oman! 🙂

    The Tour starts on Wednesday Feb 5 and runs through Saturday Feb 8.

    Its stages look something like this:

    Stage 1 Time Trial
    Stage 2 Flat
    Stage 3 Hilly – 6.8 km flat run-in to the finish
    Stage 4 Flat

    But don’t take my word for it. Here’s the race profiles link:

    http://dubaitour.com/

    Here’s the start list I’ve been using:

    http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Dubai_Tour_2014-Startlist

    Here’s the officail Tour of Dubai Twitter feed:

    The rules:

    1. Pick 9 riders from the list below.
    2. Use the rider values listed below.
    3. You have a budget of 150 credits.
    4. Deadline will be the start of Stage 1. Stage 1 starts at 1:05pm local time Wednesday Feb 5 (9:05 CET/ 4:05 AM ET USA).
    5. Follow the special rule.

    The Special rule!

    Yep. A special rule. And here it is. You cannot use any (!) of the following 5 riders in your team 🙂

    Peter Sagan 36.4
    Mark Cavendish 30.1
    Fabian Cancellara 27.1
    Tony Martin 28.3
    Marcel Kittel 19.3

    Hope you like it.

    Notes:
    1. If you enter a team, please check your math(s). I could not catch all the budget mistakes in the last game and we had a hiccup there. To make it easier to spot a mistake please list your riders with the rider value next to the name and a budget total for your team after the list.

    2. If there are Sprint points along the way, Sprint points will be awarded. If there are no Sprint points along the way those riders in the break of the day will receive 5 points for being in the break. More or less, that will apply to groups of riders that make a break stick and lasts either until the finish line or until the peloton catches the group that has been away for the majority of the race. If there’s any confusion, the race organizer will determine what constitutes the ‘break of the day’ 🙂

    3. If you want to use a rider not listed, let me know and I’ll look up the appropriate value. In most cases if they are not listed they will probably be a 3.0 credit rider.

    4. I may not be able to post the team scores quickly. In fact I cannot say for sure I will do an update every day. Please be patient. I think I have a rough week ahead. If anybody wants to take care of the daily stage scoring for any particular day or days, please, I’ll take the help! 🙂

    The riders

    START LIST SORTED BY RIDER VALUE

    Alejandro Valverde 37.5
    Vincenzo Nibali 31.1
    Rui Faria Da Costa 29.0
    Ryder Hesjedal 23.5
    Luca Paolini 21.1
    Alessandro Petacchi 20.9
    Joaquin Rodriguez 20.9
    Thor Hushovd 20.8
    Taylor Phinney 19.7
    Alex Dowsett 19.3
    Lawson Craddock 18.7
    Peter Velits 17.8
    Mark Renshaw 17.7
    Tyler Farrar 17.3
    Jonathan Castroviejo 17.0
    Giacomo Nizzolo 16.8
    Jose Herrada 16.8
    Roberto Ferrari 15.8
    Reinardt Janse Van Rensburg 15.7
    Damiano Caruso 15.0
    Angel Vicioso 14.9
    Adriano Malori 14.7
    Alexey Lutsenko 14.4
    Julien Vermote 13.4
    Danilo Hondo 13.1
    Marco Marcato 12.4
    Jesus Herrada Lopez 12.4
    Daniele Ratto 12.2
    Fabio Sabatini 11.9
    Andrea Guardini 11.7
    Nikolay Trusov 11.7
    Nikolas Maes 11.6
    Filippo Pozzato 11.0
    Juan Jose Lobato 10.8
    Kristof Vandewalle 10.8
    Sebastian Langeveld 10.8
    Sebastian Lander 10.8
    Enrique Sanz 10.5
    Maciej Bodnar 10.5
    Bob Jungels 10.3
    Jacopo Guarnieri 10.2
    Klaas Lodewyck 10.1
    Davide Cimolai 9.9
    Rory Sutherland 9.9
    Edward King 9.9
    Alexander Porsev 9.8
    Matteo Tosatto 9.5
    Janez Brajkovic 9.4
    Martin Velits 9.4
    Tom Veelers 9.1
    Juraj Sagan 8.9
    Lucas Sebastian Haedo 8.4
    Yannick Eijssen 8.1
    Steven Cummings 7.9
    Francisco Mancebo Perez 7.8
    Bert De Backer 7.8
    Vladimir Gusev 7.7
    Nelson Oliveira 7.2
    Dmitriy Gruzdev 6.7
    Alberto Losada 6.6
    Oliver Zaugg 6.4
    Rafael Valls Ferri 5.9
    Wout Poels 5.8
    Ramon Sinkeldam 5.6
    Koen De Kort 5.4
    Pavel Brutt 5.2
    Jay Mccarthy 5.2
    Cheng Ji 5.1
    Evan Huffman 4.9
    Sergey Chernetski 4.6
    Alexandr Pliuschin 4.5
    Fumiyuki Beppu 4.4
    Johan Van Summeren 4.4
    Nick Nuyens 4.0
    Raymond Kreder 3.7
    Rick Zabel 3.7
    Adil Jelloul 3.0
    Ahmed Yousef Almansory 3.0
    Alessandro Malaguti 3.0
    Alex Coutts 3.0
    Andrea Palini 3.0
    Antonio Viola 3.0
    Boris Shpilevsky 3.0
    Bruno Matos Sancho 3.0
    Bruno Pires 3.0
    Daniel José Pereira Mestre D 3.0
    Diogo Nunes 3.0
    Dylan Van Baarle 3.0
    Eduard Michael Grosu 3.0
    Eugenio Alafaci 3.0
    Fabio Silvestre 3.0
    Henrique Madeira Casimiro 3.0
    Ivan Rovny 3.0
    João Pereira 3.0
    Keon Woo Park 3.0
    Khaled Altani 3.0
    Kim Magnusson 3.0
    Lasse Norman Hansen 3.0
    Maher Hasnaoui 3.0
    Majed Albalooshi 3.0
    Manabu Ishibashi 3.0
    Mansoor Albalooshi 3.0
    Manuel Amaro 3.0
    Michael Valgren 3.0
    Mohamed Hasan Almurawwi 3.0
    Mohammed Almansuory 3.0
    Niccolo Bonifazio 3.0
    Oscar Pujol 3.0
    Pier Paolo De Negri 3.0
    Qayed Ahmad 3.0
    Rafaa Chtioui 3.0
    Rafael Reis 3.0
    Ruslan Karimov 3.0
    Simon Buttner 3.0
    Sun Jae Jang 3.0
    Takashi Miyazawa 3.0
    Tan Peng Yuan 3.0
    Valentin Iglinksiy 3.0
    Valter Pereira 3.0
    Wen Chung Huang 3.0
    Willie Smit 3.0
    Yousef Mohamed Mirza 3.0

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  • February 3, 2014 at 2:01 pm #771383
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    enrique

    JAndrewHill wrote:Dowsett

    JAndrewHill wrote:
    Dowsett 19.3
    Pettachi 20.9
    Nibali 31.1
    Lucas Haedo 8.4
    Rui Costa 29.0
    Brajkovic 9.4
    Pujol 3.0
    Perez 7.8
    Castroviejo 17.0

    Looks ok to me

    Hugh Lupus wrote:
    Sagan
    Cavendish
    Cancellara
    Martin 121.9
    Sutherland 9.9
    Lucas Haedo 8.4
    Pires 3
    Iglinskiy 3.0
    Smit 3.0

    Team: CosICan

    JAndy, did I read right in http://road.cc/content/forum/74351-tdu-stage-1 and http://road.cc/content/forum/62294-finally-hit-target that Hugh Lupus is your “alter ego”? Another account you run?

    February 3, 2014 at 1:53 pm #771381
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    backflipbedlem

    well should be an interesting
    well should be an interesting one to watch, stage 2 finishes on that palm island, and then you’ve got the Burj Khalifa as well.
    Is it on eurosport?

    February 3, 2014 at 1:07 pm #771379
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    stevemarks

    Gkam84 wrote:Mark

    Gkam84 wrote:
    Mark Cavendish 30.1
    Tyler Farrar 17.3
    Luca Paolini 21.1
    Roberto Ferrari 15.8
    Jacopo Guarnieri 10.2
    Lucas Sebastian Haedo 8.4
    Nelson Oliveira 7.2
    Johan Van Summeren 4.4
    Tony Martin 28.3

    Total 142.8 and you know what you can do with your special rule. If you want to run a game where you just chop and change the rules, go play elsewhere :)) :))

    But more importantly you broke the Tyler Farrar rule…….. 😉

    February 3, 2014 at 9:09 am #771377
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    Stumps

    To be fair we need something
    To be fair we need something from enrique to say its one way or the other, otherwise its going to be a nightmare for the lad to sort out.

    February 2, 2014 at 11:09 pm #771375
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    ray silvester

    I would say it’s enrique’s
    I would say it’s enrique’s show so enrique’s rules?

    Castroviejo 17.0
    Hesjedal 23.5
    Hushovd 20.8
    Phinney 19.7
    Velits 19.8
    Malori 14.7
    Brajkovic 9.4
    Huffman 4.9
    Dowsett 19.3

    total= 149 .1

    Think I’ll be taking stage one of the LEGAL teams!!

    February 2, 2014 at 9:54 pm #771373
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    Hugh Lupus

    Sagan
    Cavendish
    Cancellara
    Ma
    Sagan
    Cavendish
    Cancellara
    Martin 121.9
    Sutherland 9.9
    Lucas Haedo 8.4
    Pires 3
    Iglinskiy 3.0
    Smit 3.0

    Team: CosICan

    February 2, 2014 at 3:03 pm #771371
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    livestrongnick

    STEVESPRO 79

    STEVESPRO 79 wrote:
    Enrique…..I admire your enthusiasm in trying to do something to keep us interested…But you don’t half over complicate things for no real need…Think I will sit this one out and save my legs for Qatar….

    I’m with you steve, things are gonna get pretty complicated in a minute with a few races over lapping so i’ll just watch from a far :H

    February 2, 2014 at 1:20 pm #771369
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    Stumps

    Alex Dowsett 19.3
    Reinardt
    Alex Dowsett 19.3
    Reinardt Janse Van Rensburg 15.7
    Roberto Ferrari 15.8
    Davide Cimolai 9.9
    Marco Marcato 12.4
    Fabio Sabatini 11.9
    Tony Martin 28.3
    Mark Cavendish 30.1
    Rafael Valls Ferri 5.9

    total 149.3

    I’ve edited my team and put 2 of the big boys in. I was in two minds about this and after reading what others have said i tend to agree, play the game as its always done then no one gets confused.

    February 2, 2014 at 11:32 am #771367
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    STEVESPRO 79

    Enrique…..I admire your
    Enrique…..I admire your enthusiasm in trying to do something to keep us interested…But you don’t half over complicate things for no real need…Think I will sit this one out and save my legs for Qatar….

    February 2, 2014 at 9:01 am #771365
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    TERatcliffe26

    Cavendish 30.1*
    Martin
    Cavendish 30.1*
    Martin 28.3*
    Kittel 19.3*
    Nizzolo 16.8
    Phinney 19.7
    Malori 14.7
    Jungels 10.3
    Chernetski 4.6
    Norman Hansen 3.0

    Again, don’t agree with the no big boys rules, your basically then just keeping a a big budget with all cheap riders to choose from, making cost irrelevant and no thought into teams. My team has 3 of your big boys and still comes in at under 150 credits

    February 2, 2014 at 4:18 am #771363
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    enrique

    Twybaydos wrote:…. sounds

    Twybaydos wrote:
    …. sounds like a team, not mine though :))

    Ha ha ha ha ha! =D> Good one! 🙂

    February 2, 2014 at 4:16 am #771361
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    enrique

    To answer your
    To answer your questions

    Twybaydos wrote:
    … You have missed Nizzolo…

    Crap! How? 😕 That’s a great (!) rider I should have put on my team. Now I’m jealous! Nizzolo is at 16.8. You’re going to be racking up a lot (!) of points! :)Thanks for noticing! Glad someone is catching these details, I’ll add him to the OP! 🙂 And I may change my team!

    Twybaydos wrote:
    … are you happy to stay at 150? Works for me if you are….

    Yeah, I like 150. It works all right for me … It gives a lot of space…

    Twybaydos wrote:
    If we are not allowed to pick the five big boys above, are the points to be scored as if these riders were not in the race?…

    No, the points will be scored normally, so, yeah, I expect the scores to be, obviously, lower than usual…

    Twybaydos wrote:
    I’m not sure how the rankings are calculated relative to this event…

    If the rider has a current value on the ‘Rankings’ page, that’s the value that we’re using… If they don’t, I’m taking the value that Dave published in the ‘base rider values’ databse he created for the San Luis game… thanks, Dave! 🙂

    Twybaydos wrote:
    Thanks for running this

    My pleasure! I like the challenge of the setup where you can’t go for the big guns, it makes it more fun for me so you can see how the other riders are performing, too. I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s just for fun! 🙂

    February 2, 2014 at 1:51 am #771359
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    Twybaydos

    Ghedebrav wrote:Or may the

    Ghedebrav wrote:
    Or may the first letter of each riders surname has to spell a nine-letter dictionary word (e.g. already found PARAMEDIC is possible).

    Sinkledam
    Hushovd
    Iglinskiy
    Tosatto
    Brajkovic
    Alafaci
    Lobato
    Lutsenko
    Sabatini

    sounds like a team, not mine though :))

    February 2, 2014 at 1:44 am #771357
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    Twybaydos

    Questions – You have missed
    Questions – You have missed Nizzolo – Named on procyclingstats and Trek website. On the main list he is a 22 but Farrar is 22.9 on the main list so should I assume Nizzolo is around 17? I’m not sure how the rankings are calculated relative to this event

    In the main game, minor comps such as Qatar have a points limit of 140, are you happy to stay at 150? Works for me if you are.

    If we are not allowed to pick the five big boys above, are the points to be scored as if these riders were not in the race? e.g. when Phinney or one of the Movistars comes third in the TT they get 35 as if first? I suspect you would not get the info for 4-6 on intermediate sprints to account for those adjustments but you would be able to for the final figures.

    Assuming Nizzolo is, at most, the same points as Farrar my team is:

    Paolini 21.1
    Hushovd 20.8
    Phinney 19.7
    Farrar 17.3
    Nizzolo 17.3*
    Ferrari 15.8
    Malori 14.7
    Guardini 11.7
    Haedo 8.4

    Total 146.8
    [i]*Nizzolo value to be agreed[/i]

    Thanks for running this

    February 1, 2014 at 10:44 pm #771355
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    Ghedebrav

    Phinney 19.7
    Renshaw
    Phinney 19.7
    Renshaw 17.7
    Ratto 12.2
    Guardini 11.7
    Maes 11.6
    Veelers 9.1
    Dowsett 19.3
    Gruzdev 6.7
    Hansen 3.0

    A few randomers thrown in to make it interesting.

    I’m with Gkam on the special rule – don’t see the point? If anything it’ll make the teams even more similar. If you wanted to mix things up with a special rule, maybe something like a minimum of two 3.0 credit riders or something would get competitors thinking more creatively. Or may the first letter of each riders surname has to spell a nine-letter dictionary word (e.g. already found PARAMEDIC is possible).

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