[Waleskun]

So Burton Marsh which links the Wirral to Deeside-Chester path that is apparently owned by the RSPB has been closed due to ‘Abusive Behavior’ to RSPB staff giving guidance on current Covid19 guidelines.

I came across a lock on the gate from the Wirral side last week. There was no sign or explanation so I found my way over and on my way.

It kind of slipped my mind and on a journey the opposite direction a few days later two more gates had been locked up and a sign had been put on the gate at the Wirral end. Given the alternate route is the Chester High Road which is not exactly pleasent It wasn’t really a hard decision to hop over each gate and continue my journey.

Any thoughts on the RSPBs conduct here? I would suggest anti-social behaviour and lockdown compliance are a matter for the police. An unintended consequence is that they are going to force a lot of riders on to busier roads for what looks like an over-reaction.

Any other examples elsewhere were paths have just been closed?

Some more details here:

https://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/redirect.asp?404;https://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk:443/Cheshire/Neston/CH64/News/Local-News/328144-Burton-Greenway-Closed-Due-to-Anti-Social-Behaviour#h4YourComment

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[Waleskun]

It has yes, which is

It has yes, which is excellent!

[fenix]

Apparently it was reopened
Apparently it was reopened yesterday.

[Waleskun]

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[Hirsute]

Unless you accept that

Unless you accept that closing a large open space to certain individuals is in no way equivalent to closing a shop to certain individuals, then I don’t see a way forward here.

You can write to them but since it is private land they don’t have to do anything and I suspect they will say they are taking action to protect their staff and volunteers and direct you to the highways authority.

 

[Drinfinity]

I thought the same about the

I thought the same about the dodgy sign, but it is legit the RSPB. Regarding can they close it – yes, it’s a permissive path, so they can close it and have no obligation to provide an alternative.

[FluffyKittenofTindalos]

Waleskun wrote:

It is. However closing a path because the actions of a monority is short sighted. The people likely to commit such acts won’t take any notice. For commuters using this safe route and local resident enjoying leisure time who actually suffer what do you suggest?

You can control a shop easily. I know as I work in one. However, we aren’t going to close because of anti-social behaviour by a minority. We deal with the individuals involved.

 

Is a “Monority” a minority comprised of morons?  Should really be a “moronity”, I reckon.

 

Either way, this sounds like a kind of collective punishement.  I don’t see footpaths or roads being closed becuase some pedestrians or drivers have gotten stroppy with police or wardens.

[Waleskun]

It is. However closing a path

It is. However closing a path because the actions of a monority is short sighted. The people likely to commit such acts won’t take any notice. For commuters using this safe route and local resident enjoying leisure time who actually suffer what do you suggest?

You can control a shop easily. I know as I work in one. However, we aren’t going to close because of anti-social behaviour by a minority. We deal with the individuals involved.

[Hirsute]

Very easy to control access
Very easy to control access to a shop as there is just one entrance to use, so you could prevent banned people from entering. Pretty hard to do anything in a wide open large space in the current climate.

Is it a permissive path ?

[Waleskun]

It quite frankly makes it

It quite frankly makes it look like a fake mocked up sign. The other end has Flinstshire county council signs etched onto plastic placards which look a little more official. The problem is they haven’t indicated a closure where you could realistically divert. you have to turn around, go back a few kilometres. I can’t imagine this would be acceptable if a road closure was erected without a diversion marked but here, thats fine here apparently.

[brooksby]

Sriracha wrote:

Sriracha wrote:

(And what is the meaning of N-zero?)

Angry local news are always full of people who mix up their “0” with their “O” when typing their registration number into a car park machine…

[Sriracha]

I wonder what “guidance” and
I wonder what bye-laws and “guidance” pertaining to the traversing of a path during a pandemic were being offered, and what prompted such advice, that could have led to such rancour. Was the path so congested that people needed to be reminded to social distance? Or was the legitimacy of their journey’s purpose being judged? Or what?
(And what is the meaning of N-zero?)

[60kg lean keen climbing machine]

I do not condone any bad

I do not condone any bad behavior, but this path is the only really safe way to get from North Wales to the Wirral. I would prob abandon my trip before using the A550 Deeside – Two Mills. Someone needs to talk about getting this path open and deal those who are being abusive, via the police. It being closed is puting cyclists at risk of harm!

[Waleskun]

Limited in what way?

Limited in what way?

If it was closed for a reason such as ‘birds are nesting and can’t be disturbed at this time’, no problem. If its closed because of undefined ‘abuse’ over an issue they shouldn’t be offering guidance on imo I have to ask further questions.

If the RSPB had a charity shop would they close it if a staff member received abuse just because they can?

The main issue is pushing commuters on to busier routes where cyclist have been killed in the past

[Hirsute]

So it’s a permissive path and
So it’s a permissive path and they can do as they choose.
I don’t see they why the staff should put up with abuse and the options for dealing with this are now limited.

[Waleskun]

This was the sign on display

This was the sign on display

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