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Dear all,

I wanted to ask for your opinion and ask to share your experience. I would love to purchase a GPS tracker for my bike. Normally people go for something like Garmin dedicated bike computer, however I am hesitant. I have purchased the Garmin Felix smartwatch a couple of years ago and saw how it quickly bacame outdated. I am under no illusion that this thing is happening to dedicated bike computers. I would just go and use my iPhone, but I think the issue is the battery. 

What is the approach you have? How do you invest wisely? What is working, what is not?

THANKS!

 

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AKH [64 posts] 3 months ago
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If you just want to record the route and distance a phone app is probably fine. Loads of free ones out there. If you want to connect cycling sensors and view data whilst riding, a dedicated GPS is definitely the best overall solution in my opinion.

 

Phones are too large and too expensive to risk sticking to the bars. You better be sure the mount is secure. I certainly wouldn’t want to be without my phone if it came off. A dedicated GPS will have a built in mount and be much more secure.

 

I’ve never considered a watch, the screens are too small and it’s not as convenient as looking at a device mounted on the bars. It might make more sense if you also do other sports where the watch can be used, but I don’t see the advantage for solely bike use.

 

Not sure why you’re worried about it becoming outdated. Most tech is on a 12-24 month cycle, so anything you buy won't be the current model for long. The device won’t become any less capable than it was when you bought it though (battery deterioration aside), if it meets your needs you don't have to rush out and replace it. I’ve been using a Garmin 520 for years and it does everything I need. I won’t replace it until it breaks.

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Kendalred [315 posts] 3 months ago
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Yeah, what AKH said.

I presume you mean a Garmin Fenix, not Felix (unless its just for walking! ) Which itteration is it? I have a Fenix 3 (second hand ebay), and it is by no means outdated - in fact I am still trying to utilise it to it's fullest potential. Yes, there is a newer version, but this doesn't render the 3 obsolete.

If you simply want to track your rides, just use Strava on your phone to record the journey, and pop it in your back pocket. It will give you basic stats such as distance, average speed and elevation at the end of the ride.

If it's something that you need to be able to see, you can try and strap the Fenix to the bars if it's difficult to see when riding (I know mine is when on my wrist, especially with gloves on). My dedicated cycle computer, a Garmin Edge 25, is very small, and probably has the same size screen as a watch. I have had it years, and it suits me fine for the stats I want, plus it does have the ability to plot a route to follow (a basic 'breadcrumb' point-and-follow type thing) which I have probably used about 10 times in the past 3 years.

If you want a dedicated cycle computer, then of course you run the risk of another model coming along in the next 12-18 months, but that doesn't mean you have to upgrade each time. It's the same with all tech these days - upgraded each year and the new one is all bells-and-whistles. I am still on an IPhone 5, and thats done me fine for about 5 years. It still works.

Just ignore the marketing hype, get one that does the job and use it until it falls apart!

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Baga [15 posts] 3 months ago
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Saw the Garmin edge 25, it looks nice...small. I would get something similar, but I think it must replaced sometime soon, it is what 2015/2016? What do you use it for mostly? And yes, it is Fenix, sorry:-) Probably 2.

 

Kendalred wrote:

Yeah, what AKH said.

I presume you mean a Garmin Fenix, not Felix (unless its just for walking! ) Which itteration is it? I have a Fenix 3 (second hand ebay), and it is by no means outdated - in fact I am still trying to utilise it to it's fullest potential. Yes, there is a newer version, but this doesn't render the 3 obsolete.

If you simply want to track your rides, just use Strava on your phone to record the journey, and pop it in your back pocket. It will give you basic stats such as distance, average speed and elevation at the end of the ride.

If it's something that you need to be able to see, you can try and strap the Fenix to the bars if it's difficult to see when riding (I know mine is when on my wrist, especially with gloves on). My dedicated cycle computer, a Garmin Edge 25, is very small, and probably has the same size screen as a watch. I have had it years, and it suits me fine for the stats I want, plus it does have the ability to plot a route to follow (a basic 'breadcrumb' point-and-follow type thing) which I have probably used about 10 times in the past 3 years.

If you want a dedicated cycle computer, then of course you run the risk of another model coming along in the next 12-18 months, but that doesn't mean you have to upgrade each time. It's the same with all tech these days - upgraded each year and the new one is all bells-and-whistles. I am still on an IPhone 5, and thats done me fine for about 5 years. It still works.

Just ignore the marketing hype, get one that does the job and use it until it falls apart!

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Daveyraveygravey [669 posts] 3 months ago
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I use a Garmin Forerunner 310 for tracking my rides and runs.  I bought an adapter for the strap, so I use it on my wrist when running, but it twists out and can go on a normal Garmin mount on the bike. This means it sits even prouder on your wrist than it would without the mount (it's quite thick) but that doesn't bother me. It is an old looking thing, but it does what I want it to and it is a lot less than a 510 or any of the other dedicated Garmin cycle computers.

It lasts about a week between charges, wihch includes 2 or 3 45 minute runs, an hour bike ride in the week and a 4 hour ride at the weekend.  

As others have said, a phone + app will let you record your rides and review them after, but you cannot really use it on the bike and expect it to survive.  I've dropped my Garmin a few times and it still keeps working, we all know it doesn't take much of an impact to break your phone.  And if you get into a situation where you need to call for help, it's good to know you haven't run the phone battery down too low whilst recording.

My Garmin has several functions that I like that may not be available with other bike computers or phone apps.  It has a virtual partner, so you can set a route and an average speed and the screen shows you whether you are ahead or behind on pace.  You can do this either at the planning stage, or you can convert a ride or run you have already done to have the virtual partner ready next time you try it.  You can also program workouts to it, so you would have a 10 minute warm up, followed by 3 mins in zone 4, a 1 minute recovery, and then 4 repeats of that.  I find it hard to do interval sessions without the watch telling me when the intervals start and finish out on the road, there's so much else to think about and when you are pushing yourself, simple sums and looking at screens are too difficult.  If you're knackered from a busy day the day before, you can set an alarm if you get out of z2, to try to keep you at a low effort level.

It does bread crumb navigation, which is ok out in the country when the junctions are spaced out, but in built up areas it isn't always easy to see which turn you are meant to take.  But you get audible warnings too.

And this is without live segments, which higher end Garmins do.

When it dies on me, I'll have a good look at the Wahoo Bolt, and maybe some of the other rival products.  Cateye and Lezyne make simpler, cheaper bike computers which will do what the phone app do.

I've got a smart watch coming (some kind of Amazfit, never heard of them but they got good reviews) as a present soon, will be interesting to see how it stacks up to the garmin.

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Baga [15 posts] 3 months ago
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I will try to observe this space in 2019. These devices looks like from 20 year ago. No edge to edge screens, expensive. I think for me the Edge 25 is the best...small and light and I would just want to see it updated.

Regards,

Alex

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kil0ran [1370 posts] 3 months ago
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I've got an Edge 25 (passed on to my son) and an Edge 130.

Edge 25 is still a superb device for doing the basics well - the only reason I upgraded was because I use a power meter and wanted navigation and better integration with other apps

The screen on the 130 is excellent and very configurable - a noticeable improvement over the Edge 25. And I've had zero issues with either unit in terms of lost rides etc.

Both will do the job - personally I'd go for a used Edge 130 (always loads on eBay) rather than a 25, simply because Garmin will/should support it for several years.

Prior to the Garmins I had a few Wahoo devices - starting with the bike case which let me stick an iPhone on my bars. They were good, but somewhat geeky, and I started to get issues.

I wouldn't use my phone on my bars unless it was cheap/disposable.

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AKH [64 posts] 3 months ago
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Baga wrote:

I will try to observe this space in 2019. These devices looks like from 20 year ago. No edge to edge screens, expensive. I think for me the Edge 25 is the best...small and light and I would just want to see it updated.

Regards,

Alex

I had an edge 25 before a 520. The 25 is a fine little device for what it is, but it's very limited on how much information it can get on its screen at one time. From memory it can only show two metrics at a time, and the range of metrics to choose from is far more limited that with the larger devices. If you have an idea what data you want you should be able to find out online whether the 25 will meet your needs. For me it didn’t and I didn’t have mine long. My own fault for not doing more research.

 

Regarding your criticism of the screens, they’re fine for what they are. You’re not going to get a beautiful, high resolution, edge-to-edge screen without it making the device significantly more expensive, more fragile, and consuming way more battery power. I don’t think 2019 will change that. Unless you want the device for mapping, you really don’t need such display quality anyway. These devices are designed to be small, light, waterproof, and still significantly cheaper than anything other than a bottom of the range phone. Look at an image like this…

 

https://road.cc/content/review/166422-garmin-edge-520-heart-rate-and-cad...

 

That’s realistically all you’re going to be viewing on the device during a ride.

 

**edit** I don't mean those exact metrics, but a bunch of simple numbers/times/percentages like that.

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CarlTV [7 posts] 3 months ago
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Speaking as a tech-nerd, who's got/tried all options you mention, my advice would be to go straight to a version of the Garmin Edge 520 (either the older one or the Plus would be fine, the latter being better for navigation).

 

I was in a similar position to you last year, started off using my iPhone, then went for the Edge 25, then got a heart-rate monitor, then a speed/cadence sensor, then the Edge 520 (because the Edge 25 quickly showed it's limitations)... I stayed with this set up until last month when I upgraded again to the Edge 1030 (because I wanted the best navigation).

Along the way I picked up a Forerunner 235XT watch which I now use for other sports, as a daily watch (which it's great for) and the odd cycling commute, but it would in no way compete with the Edge units... you just get so much more back from a dedicated GPS head unit, it improves cycling and makes you do it more.

Also, for Strava, it's way cleaner... auto-pausing for one, and general accuracy, it gives you way better feedback in every area.

 

So, if I could go back and speak to myself, or you, I'd say get an Edge 520 bundle with the HRM and speed/cadence sensors... you can thank me later.

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Baga [15 posts] 3 months ago
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Thank you. Do you think it might be updated to 530 or something like that in the next 1 year?

 

CarlTV wrote:

Speaking as a tech-nerd, who's got/tried all options you mention, my advice would be to go straight to a version of the Garmin Edge 520 (either the older one or the Plus would be fine, the latter being better for navigation).

 

I was in a similar position to you last year, started off using my iPhone, then went for the Edge 25, then got a heart-rate monitor, then a speed/cadence sensor, then the Edge 520 (because the Edge 25 quickly showed it's limitations)... I stayed with this set up until last month when I upgraded again to the Edge 1030 (because I wanted the best navigation).

Along the way I picked up a Forerunner 235XT watch which I now use for other sports, as a daily watch (which it's great for) and the odd cycling commute, but it would in no way compete with the Edge units... you just get so much more back from a dedicated GPS head unit, it improves cycling and makes you do it more.

Also, for Strava, it's way cleaner... auto-pausing for one, and general accuracy, it gives you way better feedback in every area.

 

So, if I could go back and speak to myself, or you, I'd say get an Edge 520 bundle with the HRM and speed/cadence sensors... you can thank me later.

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CarlTV [7 posts] 3 months ago
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Baga wrote:

Thank you. Do you think it might be updated to 530 or something like that in the next 1 year?

 

 

 

I wouldn't have thought so, the 520 Plus has only just come out... that means there are good deals about on the older 520, which I think you'd probably be fine with.

Honestly, speed is going to be speed, cadence is going to be cadence, heart rate, etc, in 3 years time... this is what you'll focus on, the main metrics.

You do get live Strava segments on the 520 too, that's quite fun to use and push yourself with.

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PRSboy [475 posts] 3 months ago
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I was very excited about live strava segments when they came out, and disappointed that my Edge 800 couldn't do them.  Then I got an 810, which as far as I knew couldn't either, but it was cheap and my 800 had broken.

I found out a couple of weeks ago the 810 actually can do strava segments but since then I haven't even tried it yet.

My point... what seems very exciting in the latest model press release probably isnt.

You will be fine with a 520.  Or even a 510 for that matter...

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CycleCommute.CC [6 posts] 3 months ago
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Stop worrying about it getting outdated!

Buy what you want now at the best price you can. I've been using an Edge 1000 for 4 years and it's awesome. Yeah outdated and a few quirks but no regrets.

Also use fenix 5 for 2 years and love it.

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hawkinspeter [3330 posts] 3 months ago
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I started off with using a phone app which was fine for a while - start your ride, pop your phone in your pocket and you're good to go. However, that doesn't let you see time/speed etc whilst you're riding.

I got a Wahoo Elemnt Bolt last year and it's superb. Works a treat with connecting to other sensors (which are also Wahoo as it happens) and it's got more battery life than I'll ever need (12 hours?).

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JimD666 [110 posts] 3 months ago
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If you're really worried about things being outdated then cycling is going to cost you a bucket load. Your bike is probably already out of date!

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Nick T [1256 posts] 3 months ago
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No one uses all the “features” on newer devices. My old edge 800 was faultless, I’m still not sure why I “upgraded” to an 820. I spent half a day figuring out how to turn off all the pointless rubbish off. Live segments? Stop beeping and turning the map on for goodness sake. Off. Text messages and email on screen? No thanks, I’ll check when I’m finished. Touchscreen is a source of endless frustration at this time of year. It does mapping and routes well, but so did my 800, which did all I needed it to do and all I want the 820 to do. I gave it do a friend then my 820 broke. At least the warranty claim was painless

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L3gion [11 posts] 3 months ago
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I've been using my phone for 6000 miles with no problems. Initially in my pocket, then  as I started to actively train more and push harder on improving my times on segments I started mounting it out front where I can see it (live segments on strava etc).

Only became a problem a month ago when the battery was deteriorating such that it could just about manage 4 hours with strava and komoot (for navigation) running. I've since upgraded the phone and am using it the same way.

I'd like a dedicated unit but right now I'm not impressed by whats available and too many stories of garmin issues. Wahoo looks the best bet but I'm in no hurry.

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Baga [15 posts] 3 months ago
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JimD666 wrote:

If you're really worried about things being outdated then cycling is going to cost you a bucket load. Your bike is probably already out of date!

I would not go as far as this. Some things do not change every day. I am a photographer and I am invested into a DSLR system. FF camera are not updated every year, but every 4-5 years and even then it is not always a big step forward. So sometimes I skip the generation. I have a cross bike that I have purchased in 2005, which still runs great and I am not sure that many things have changed since then. Phones, smart watches, GPS computers are different. I update my iPhone every 3 year. Smart watch I had one, Garmin, but it was an expensive and cumbersone devise. Big and not very useful. You can have an apple watch with 10 times more functions today for the same price. GPS computers - I see that they look strange, as if this technology is from 90th:-) My Fenix Garmin watch experience is something I do not want to repeat with the GPS computer. It is highly likely that because of Fenix I am very careful here. So sure will not want to purchase something that will be updated 2-3 months from now and will cost same money. Typically I try to purchase products as soon as they are released, not at the end of the cycle. 

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Baga [15 posts] 3 months ago
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I have to say that I am more like you. If I see a product that is awesome, I will have no issues spending money. For now, I just do not see anything that is impressive. There are good products, but I read that Garmins have many issues. Wahoo is not as good when it comes to mapping. But there is the competition and it might lead to one company improving dramatically to get the competitive edge. 

 

L3gion wrote:

I've been using my phone for 6000 miles with no problems. Initially in my pocket, then  as I started to actively train more and push harder on improving my times on segments I started mounting it out front where I can see it (live segments on strava etc).

Only became a problem a month ago when the battery was deteriorating such that it could just about manage 4 hours with strava and komoot (for navigation) running. I've since upgraded the phone and am using it the same way.

I'd like a dedicated unit but right now I'm not impressed by whats available and too many stories of garmin issues. Wahoo looks the best bet but I'm in no hurry.

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L3gion [11 posts] 3 months ago
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Baga wrote:

I have to say that I am more like you. If I see a product that is awesome, I will have no issues spending money. For now, I just do not see anything that is impressive. There are good products, but I read that Garmins have many issues. Wahoo is not as good when it comes to mapping. But there is the competition and it might lead to one company improving dramatically to get the competitive edge. 

 

Agreed, thats where I am. Waiting...

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AKH [64 posts] 3 months ago
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It really comes down to what you need or want from the unit. Please don't take this as an insult, as I've been there myself, but it sounds like you just want some cool tech to stick on the bike. Bike GPS units aren't cool or interesting, they're always fairly dull and conservative devices compared to the leading edge of tech. They're very niche products; but, if you have a need or desire today for the functionality they do provide, agonising over that a future device might provide is largely irrelevant. Take a look at dedicated hiking GPS units, they’re a million miles behind the current crop of smart phones or watches. That gap isn’t going to close any time soon, if ever. Try using a phone for 10+ hours in the rain, then drop it onto concrete, ditto with a smart watch.

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Baga [15 posts] 3 months ago
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I do understand this. I think I am likely going to get the successor of the Edge 520. I read rumors it might be released sometime in 2019. 520 Plus was not a real upgrade, but it brought maps. So people believe that 530 is going to be a step forward and should come mid 2019. Nobody knows, but I am in no rush too. I do understand your smartphone use case limitations, they are fair.

 

AKH wrote:

It really comes down to what you need or want from the unit. Please don't take this as an insult, as I've been there myself, but it sounds like you just want some cool tech to stick on the bike. Bike GPS units aren't cool or interesting, they're always fairly dull and conservative devices compared to the leading edge of tech. They're very niche products; but, if you have a need or desire today for the functionality they do provide, agonising over that a future device might provide is largely irrelevant. Take a look at dedicated hiking GPS units, they’re a million miles behind the current crop of smart phones or watches. That gap isn’t going to close any time soon, if ever. Try using a phone for 10+ hours in the rain, then drop it onto concrete, ditto with a smart watch.

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CarlTV [7 posts] 3 months ago
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Baga wrote:

I do understand this. I think I am likely going to get the successor of the Edge 520. I read rumors it might be released sometime in 2019. 520 Plus was not a real upgrade, but it brought maps. So people believe that 530 is going to be a step forward and should come mid 2019. Nobody knows, but I am in no rush too. I do understand your smartphone use case limitations, they are fair.

 

 

 

You are complicating this :-).

When you get experience of using a dedicated units you'll understand what your own priorities are... otherwise it's a loop of waiting on future tech (that you don't currently have a reference point for).

The Edge 520 is used still by numerous pro-cyclists on the world tour, because it's solid and works.

I upgraded mine recently to the top-of-the-line Edge 1030, and, yes, it's got it's upsides obviously, but it's heavier, I'm more precious about it, it's larger... and I still intend to switch back to my 520 when I don't need mapping and want to ride fast.

 

The other thing you might want to consider in the meantime is a dedicated phone mount... I've got a Quad Lock one that works really well... I just personally hate seeing smartphones on bikes and only really use it in summer when I don't want the phone on me.

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Jetmans Dad [147 posts] 3 months ago
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The one and only time I used my phone on the bike was in the Autumn when I was in the wilds of Cornwall, on roads I had never ridden before and 2/3 of the way through the ride my breadcrumb trail became iffy to follow (Garmin Edge 500 user here). I fired up Google Maps to get me back to the hotel in one piece noting that my (fairly cheap) phone seemed pretty vulnerable and quite distracting with its big colourful screen. 

When I aam at home I have a tiny PAYG Alcatel dumb phone to take out on rides and exclusively use the 500. 

In tech terms it is very very old, and I would like to upgrade to the 520 Plus when I have the cash, but only because the mapping and navigation would be a big step up from what I have. Everything else the 500 does really really well, and I will happily keep riding with it until I can afford to upgrade. 

And this from a tech nerd who loves to always have the latest iteration of gadgets whenever he can. 

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PeterCee [14 posts] 3 months ago
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Having trashed an iphone when it fell off the bike my solution is as follows:

3 year old Garmin Edge 1000 on the handlebars (115g) + 5g Mount - Old and slightly flawed but it works fine and sync's wirelessly to upload rides to my strava and shows favourite segments in real time. Plus I want maps (all western europe is included) and the ability to put in detinations on the fly if I need to.

Elari Nanophone C (95mm x 35mm ) 30g in a small  plastic bag in my back zipped jersey pocket with house key, credit card and £10 note.

In my experience phones can be a problem with regards reduced battery life especially when running strava and with the display permanently on.

 

 

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Team EPO [192 posts] 3 months ago
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I went from the Garmin 520 to the Fenix 3 and now have the Fenix 5 (bit smaller and HR) but would defo look around eBay for Fenix 3 as they are great and can use it for running, swimming, steps etc

PS the saphire has a non scratch screen and is more in demand but I mountain bike with mine and never had a scratch 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/garmin-fenix-3-hr-sapphire/173759190102?hash=...

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... [591 posts] 3 months ago
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FWIW, MotionX do a GPS app that is worth the purchase of an iPhone, just to get that app.  It will record a track and spit out a GPX file at the end of it.  You can also use iTunes to get your GPX file onto the phone, and so plan a route on Strava, RideWithGPS etc. and then follow it.  You can also set it to send 'live updates' of your position at periodic intervals to your loved ones, or even to Facebook if you're into that.  

As you quite rightly point out, however, battery life is the big issue.  You can either buy a battery pack and carry that with you (this one rides in my commuting backpack as a permanent fixture), or you can get a hub dynamo. 

I use a Garmin Edge 800 on my commute, for the simple reason that my iPhone XSMax isn't insured and that's a lorra lolly to shell out, should I fall off the bike during the ride.  The Garmin is utterly shit for navigation, but brilliant if all you want to do is log the ride.

I have a heart rate monitor that used to go around the chest, but got an Apple Watch a couple of months ago, and I use that to keep track of my rides, as well as my heart rate etc.  It's been said that it's not as accurate as a chest device, but I've not noticed any massive discrepancies since I started to use it. 

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... [591 posts] 3 months ago
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Nick T wrote:

No one uses all the “features” on newer devices. My old edge 800 was faultless, I’m still not sure why I “upgraded” to an 820. I spent half a day figuring out how to turn off all the pointless rubbish off. Live segments? Stop beeping and turning the map on for goodness sake. Off. Text messages and email on screen? No thanks, I’ll check when I’m finished. Touchscreen is a source of endless frustration at this time of year. It does mapping and routes well, but so did my 800, which did all I needed it to do and all I want the 820 to do. I gave it do a friend then my 820 broke. At least the warranty claim was painless

You actually found the 800 adequate for navigation?  

I found it utter pants.  

My wife has an 800.  Bought the same day as mine.  Identical in every way, except for the serial number.   We set up all the bits the same way, and got ready for a ride.  Believe it or not, each unit took us a different route.

That shouldn't be possible.  But it happened.  

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... [591 posts] 3 months ago
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PeterCee wrote:

Having trashed an iphone when it fell off the bike my solution is as follows:

3 year old Garmin Edge 1000 on the handlebars (115g) + 5g Mount - Old and slightly flawed but it works fine and sync's wirelessly to upload rides to my strava and shows favourite segments in real time. Plus I want maps (all western europe is included) and the ability to put in detinations on the fly if I need to.

Elari Nanophone C (95mm x 35mm ) 30g in a small  plastic bag in my back zipped jersey pocket with house key, credit card and £10 note.

In my experience phones can be a problem with regards reduced battery life especially when running strava and with the display permanently on.

 

 

Bit of a thread swerve, but I can recommend the Quadlock.  I've had one for my iPhone 5S, my 7 and now my XSMax.  The mount stays the same, but the case itself seems to be bulletproof.   I don't drop my phone that much, but twice in the past week, it's slipped out of my hand - once standing in my GP's surgery about to leave, and another time standing next to the car.  Bounced off the floor/ground, and not a scratch on the phone.  

Not cheap, but then cheaper than a £1200 phone. 

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Stratman [164 posts] 3 months ago
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Another long time 800 user here.  I’ve looked at the newer ones, and decided that the 800 is fine, and seems to work for me, so I’d not worry much about the tech cycle as long as the piece of kit works.

I use my iPhone to track as well unless I’m going for a long ride (4hrs plus), when I save the battery and just use the Garmin

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Smartstu [14 posts] 3 months ago
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For a couple of years I used my Galaxy S8+ as my cycle computer with a Quadlock case and outfront mount (previously used the same set up on IPhone). It was excellent - especially for the mapping. However, it was a killer on battery life. Last year I switched to an Edge 25. Completely different experience - small screen, basic navigation- but I love it! I plan my routes in advance and can get on with the navigation fine. I got a cheap 2nd hand bundle with all the sensors.

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