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I love riding my bike but I also love a bit of petrol (not diesel!) fired transport. After fighting the urge for last 7 years, I've just bought myself an Audi TT (mk1) that'll I'll hopefully maintain until they reach classic status.

I did think about getting another motorbike but since parenthood there are too many non-fault variables that can lead to you having a very bad day on a motorbike -  so I chose the more sensible option.

Given a lottery win, I'm happy to say I'd have dozen of cars. GT40s, AC Cobras, Lancia Deltas, Mk2 Golfs, the lot!

Anyone else that doesn't see cars as the devil?

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keirik [152 posts] 1 year ago
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Me.

I have a pick up truck, an AC Cobra replica, and a BMW GS Adventure motorcycle.

 love them all, and they're better than the bikes for travelling between North Wales and Essex, which I do on a regular basis

To put it into context I do about 30k miles on the bike, 10000 in the truck, 3000 in the Cobra, and 3000 on the bikes

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oldstrath [970 posts] 1 year ago
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I don't think cars are "the devil", but too many who drive them do so badly and dangerously. Unfortunately with our appalling public transport " system " too many people need them, and it's harder to treat the driving licence as a thing like other licences, to be taken away if there are doubts about the holder's fitness to drive.

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multimodal [56 posts] 1 year ago
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I love cars. Love machines in general, but cars are my first love. Had a Porsche for a while. Now just a bog standard estate with child seats and a roof rack for the bikes! 

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tritecommentbot [2266 posts] 1 year ago
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Oh yeah, I have some cars I really love. Cayman, Ferrari California. If I had mega bucks, like won the lottery, I would get one of those, depending on how much I won. Like roadsters best in general. Audi TT is a great pick. Had a BMW Z3 before. Loved it, but was getting old so let it go, too much work needed done on it.  

Nothing wrong with having a nice sportscar. I ride everywhere now, live in the city, but wouldn't feel guilty about having a wicked car. I'd only use it occassionally, I have that habit now where I wouldn't be driving a few miles to town and spending 20 mins looking for a parking spot. Can't even believe I found that normal before. 

Anyway enjoy the TT. Audi's styling is class, bold and modern. New Merc front ends are the same. BMW should line up their designers from the past decade and do them in. Almost all their designs are either middling or awkward at a lot of angles. 

Maybe the 1M gets a pass. Very nice. Quite tasty, would consider.

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Simon E [3330 posts] 1 year ago
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Not fussed about cars, they're all the much of a muchness. A lot of marketing hype and pointless willy-waving as far as I can see. The make & model makes no odds when you're in a queue. Fast cars belong on race tracks IMO.

If you had asked about motorcycles, now for me that's a totally different story!

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tritecommentbot [2266 posts] 1 year ago
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Nah, you hear that trite line all the time. Don't need to ride a car fast to appreciate the engineering. That's all these things are - engineering. Either you can appreciate or can't. Same as anything. Everything else is piffle and personal politics. 

 

 

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beezus fufoon [972 posts] 1 year ago
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I love racing around a track in whatever - even won a couple of karting events, but I haven't driven on the road for some years now - hate sitting in traffic, hate inconsiderate and aggressive drivers, and I get the red mist quite easily in those conditions.

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Yorkshie Whippet [639 posts] 1 year ago
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I'm quite into cars, don't own anything fancy but will be spending the weekend marshalling at Harewood Hillclimb. The Fuelled Society will also be there showing off customised cars as well. Gives me a break from cycling related.

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srchar [856 posts] 1 year ago
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Petrolhead here. I have a classic mini for racing, a brace of Maranello's finest because they're what I lusted after as a kid, and a diesel *cough* Golf estate for trips with the bikes and Ikea/tip runs. I spent last weekend helping build a Caterham and the Saturday before that changing brake pads and DSG oil on the Golf. Love working on any machine, be it a car, a bike, a computer...

If it's got wheels and you can race it, I'm interested, no matter whether the powerplant runs on petrol or cake!

As an aside, most of the driving lobby who have it in for cycling aren't actually petrolheads. A true petrolhead would go mad sitting in stationary traffic and would be mortified if their lack of driving skill put others in danger. In fact, most people who claim to be into cars are actually into the gadgets fitted to their cars, if my office is anything to go by. They know how to control their phone from the steering wheel, or how to voice control the satnav, but wouldn't have a clue about how an engine works. They think they are driving gods but have no idea how to heel and toe.

The mk1 TT will be a classic when all the Barry'd ones have been written off or weighed in. It's a lovely shape and I'm sure you'll enjoy a good few years of depreciation-free motoring!

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Mungecrundle [973 posts] 1 year ago
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More into motorcycles than cars. Ducati in the garage if you please, though Triumph Thruxton R in Cafe Racer guise has recently got the juices flowing....

Cars are great. They go where you want when you want in comfort and safety usually full of children, shopping and stuff for days out. I'm lucky enough to cycle commute and avoid the daily frustrations of traffic jams so the car is a means to recreational opportunities that would otherwise be out of reach.

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davel [2390 posts] 1 year ago
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srchar wrote:

As an aside, most of the driving lobby who have it in for cycling aren't actually petrolheads. A true petrolhead would go mad sitting in stationary traffic and would be mortified if their lack of driving skill put others in danger. In fact, most people who claim to be into cars are actually into the gadgets fitted to their cars, if my office is anything to go by. They know how to control their phone from the steering wheel, or how to voice control the satnav, but wouldn't have a clue about how an engine works. They think they are driving gods but have no idea how to heel and toe.

This. I believe this to be true. At least I hope it is. The petrolheads I know respect cars and wouldn't get a kick out of a punishment pass in a cyclist. It's the mindless motons that I have a problem with.

I like cars. The most petrolheady thing I've done is imported a mustang when the 'old' new shape was first out (the S197 shape) and you got $2 to £1, pre-kids. Owned that for a few years, sold it once kids came along.

Now got a pick-up as an oversized family car, because we've got too many bikes and too much other shit (great for lugging camping stuff about though), and a golf gti.

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pablo [205 posts] 1 year ago
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Day job is designing cars so i guess i might like a drop of petrol although these days electricary seems to be taking over which just isn't the same even if technically it is superior for performance.

My last decent performance car was an Elise the last year i owned it i did more miles on the bike so it had to go! Down to a Golf and an estate although i was just looking at a bike engined mini.  

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HowardR [204 posts] 1 year ago
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Officially I detest cars and consider that the world would be a happier safer place if the following three simple rules were introduced:

  • The driver of a car has to push the thing for the first and last mile of their journey.
  • The driver has no seat belt, it is replaced by a six inch spike jutting out from the steering wheel.
  • The vehicle has its maximum speed limited to 20 mph.

I do however have a dark & shameful secret. I have a very ‘soft spot’ for Landrovers of the Series/Defender type.

This is a bit embarrassing as they (at least all the ones I’ve ever owned) guzzle petrol & oil at an alarming rate and in the event of a collision offer up an oh! so gentle bone mangling girder. They are however really rather good for throwing bikes/dive kit/camping kit in the back/canoes on top – acting as a bit of a base camp (long wheel base ones at least - the short wheel base is a bit of an inverse Tardis) – and for getting to bits that might not be too comfortable in a van – and…. They look ‘right’

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Bikebikebike [387 posts] 1 year ago
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Necessary (sometimes) evil.  Generally they are either gassing me with fumes, trying to run me over, or both.

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Podc [99 posts] 1 year ago
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Cars - yes. Very useful.

Car users - generally no. Seems to bring out the worst in the human species - selfishness and aggression.

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peted76 [1105 posts] 1 year ago
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I love my car I can throw two bikes in the boot with the seats down no problem, three if I take the wheels off  1

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surly_by_name [570 posts] 1 year ago
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Wow. This thread flushed out the dentists.

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Grahamd [955 posts] 1 year ago
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I enjoy nice cars driven fast with no regard for anyone else, as does my eldest son. So once a year we will have an experience day at one of the various race tracks or disused airfields. Gets the need for speed out of your system in a safe environment.

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davel [2390 posts] 1 year ago
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surly_by_name wrote:

Wow. This thread flushed out the dentists.

Cheap stereotype.

I'm a banker.

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beezus fufoon [972 posts] 1 year ago
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davel wrote:
surly_by_name wrote:

Wow. This thread flushed out the dentists.

Cheap stereotype. I'm a banker.

I have some pliers if you got a sore tooth

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kil0ran [917 posts] 1 year ago
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Used to be a complete petrolhead in my 20s/30s. Mostly Toyotas, Hondas, and VWs. Spent huge amounts on money on tuning, track days, road trips, etc. 

Now I'm a family man its still there but channeled in different ways. Never thought I be slavering over German & Swedish 80s estates the way I did over sports cars and hot hatches but that's my reality now. Partly its from being utterly fed up with the cost and complexity of modern cars - so much to go wrong and never, ever cheap to fix. So I'm in the market for a Volvo 940 as a daily driver and something like a Merc 280TE as a weekend car. Even Peugeots get a look in with the 504 & 505.

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kil0ran [917 posts] 1 year ago
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Mungecrundle wrote:

More into motorcycles than cars. Ducati in the garage if you please, though Triumph Thruxton R in Cafe Racer guise has recently got the juices flowing.... Cars are great. They go where you want when you want in comfort and safety usually full of children, shopping and stuff for days out. I'm lucky enough to cycle commute and avoid the daily frustrations of traffic jams so the car is a means to recreational opportunities that would otherwise be out of reach.

A guy at work has a Thruxton R, utter bike porn. Had a Paul Smart Ducati repro before that. Always liked motorcycles but never learnt to ride one through self-preservation. I think the thing with bikes is the pinnacle of performance is within the reach of almost anyone. Not the case with cars. Anyone working can have a Ducati or MV Agusta if they want, that's not the case with Porsche & Ferrari. Same applies to bicycles.

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Martin1857 [21 posts] 1 year ago
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Yes, love cars.

Have had two Triumph Vitesse Mk 2 convertibles and a 1964 Ford Consul Capri in my time.

Loved them every bit as much as my hand built Condor and my Eddy Merckx EMX-1.

Wish list would include Shelby Mustang, 1957 Chevy Bel Air, Austin Healy 3000 and 1958 Corvette.

Can't see why this tribalist mindset continues.

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davel [2390 posts] 1 year ago
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Martin1857 wrote:

Yes, love cars.

Have had two Triumph Vitesse Mk 2 convertibles and a 1964 Ford Consul Capri in my time.

Loved them every bit as much as my hand built Condor and my Eddy Merckx EMX-1.

Wish list would include Shelby Mustang, 1957 Chevy Bel Air, Austin Healy 3000 and 1958 Corvette.

Can't see why this tribalist mindset continues.

Because loads (a majority?) of car users are motons who don't appreciate the machine they're using, much less what it is to ride a bike next to a ton of metal driven by an idiot.

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TypeVertigo [428 posts] 1 year ago
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I was an amateur time attack driver for four years, specializing in "slow car fast", and have had gasoline in my veins ever since I was a kid.

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The photo is a good clue of where I'm from - it's a shot from the Turn 1-2 complex at Clark International Speedway in the Philippines.

Not to toot my own horn, but I suspect I got good at riding when I resumed it in 2013 after almost 15 years off the saddle precisely because of the skills I picked up on trackdays - particularly situational awareness, very late braking, and maintaining momentum.

If any of you have cars and access to a racetrack, I highly suggest going to a trackday even just once a year - especially in a well-maintained car in unmodified condition. It's applied physics hands-on and it's a good way of releasing stress. Professional instruction is highly recommended too.

As for myself, I'm mainly a fan of Hondas from the 1990s and early 2000s - most of the cars I've driven/owned don't even feature their headline technology (i.e. VTEC) and they're still excellent to drive.

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Yorkshire wallet [2043 posts] 1 year ago
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Wow, didn't think I'd get more than about 2 people who actually 'liked' cars as things to enjoy. Driving itself is mostly tedium these days but as I've just re-discovered, I'd rather sit in a queue in a distinct car feels better than a shopping trolley. 

Keeping the shopping trolley to run until the TT has been properly looked over by this nice BMW tech we've befriended. Said he'd give it MOT and proper look over for £30 and then I'll assess whether it's summer toy just to get it out my system or a keeper. Willing to put about another £500-1000 into it at cost prices to get it perfect seeing as it's recently has £1200 spent on belts,pumps,exhausts etc. by the last owner. Hopefully it'll be in good fettle when properly inspected and I'll get it undersealed if needed and then maybe just enjoy it. 

Can't believe how much 80s cars are blowing up in price now though. Looked at a Mk2 golf on ebay.....£16k!!! Apparently it had a 'career' as a show car. Even sheds of iconic stuff are now worth stupid money. This is why I went for TT. Hopefully it won't drop value if maintained. My choices were TT, Rx8 (too thirsty really and too prone to problems), Celica VVTLi 190 and the Hyundai 2.7 V6 as outside bet. Think I've made the right choice. 

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OldRidgeback [2929 posts] 1 year ago
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Yep I like cars, but like motorbikes even more. I've a boring family saloon that does the job of hauling the family around, including heading off to compete in cycle races. But I prefer being on two wheels, both with and without an engine. Right now I've two Suzukis, one being new and fast and the other being old, noisy, slow and a hoot to ride. I've had various Italian, Japanese and British bikes over the years. When we had kids I did sell one motorbike.

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Yorkshire wallet [2043 posts] 1 year ago
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Yeah, a motorbike is special kind of buzz, my tipples were 400cc bikes, had NC30, NC23 and FZR. ZX6R was faster but somehow not as fun. Always good to hang with some fat bloke on a 1000cc when you're only rocking 400cc. 

Tetsuya Harada said something along the lines of it being like an eagle and I agree. Blatting over the IOM mountain section is something I'll carry in my head forever. God knows how they do it at the speeds they do it at. Most of the bike pros are keen cyclists as well. 

TBH Motorsport doesn't interest me as much as it used to. Technology has killed it's edge and road safety rules have made the cars look basically the same thing with different badges. F1 just toilet these days, I don't want to think about how much of my life I've wasted on boring races.  BTCC and BSB are probably the most entertaining series at the moment. 

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surly_by_name [570 posts] 1 year ago
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davel wrote:
surly_by_name wrote:

Wow. This thread flushed out the dentists.

Cheap stereotype. I'm a banker.

You don't say?

The TT is a hairdressers car, BTW.

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brooksby [3281 posts] 1 year ago
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surly_by_name wrote:
davel wrote:
surly_by_name wrote:

Wow. This thread flushed out the dentists.

Cheap stereotype. I'm a banker.

You don't say?

The TT is a hairdressers car, BTW.

Is that why the new version of the New Beetle now looks like the old version of the TT?

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