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Howdo,

Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with these, in particular with the 11-speed versions ? I’ve read in the past about some experiences with their Campagnolo versions – seem to be coming across as generally OK, bit more clunky and some of them prone to wear – so i’m not expecting the Shimano ones to be any more silky smooth shifting but interested in any info.

Cheers

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Mrmiik wrote:From what I hear

Mrmiik wrote:

From what I hear the Supertype is not hardwearing at all. It is designed for the weight weenies apparently…

That sounds along the lines i’ve heard – the worst of the horror stories seem to involve the case-hardened light alloy cogs although i’ve not turned up much new and nothing at all about the Shimano fit ones. The 12-30 on bike24 only has a light alloy on 30T, the rest are steel – i’d ideally go for all steel if they had a 12-30, but they don’t and the all steel ones are a lot more pricey. If I do try it i’m thinking i’ll try and go for a replacement 30T from a distie if it does wear badly, there seem to be a few about.

Mrmiik wrote:

Hope it solves your problem though :)

Cheers – think I need to go spend some more time actually on the bike too !

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From what I hear the
From what I hear the Supertype is not hardwearing at all. It is designed for the weight weenies apparently… Hope it solves your problem though 🙂

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The Supertype would obviously
The Supertype would obviously have to be a special order from a retailer to get the desired cogs.

That light primato is biased towards climbing as the extra cog is 23+25 replacing the 24.
If you want the 16 then I think it will be a special order.

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Guernsey Donkey wrote:My

Guernsey Donkey wrote:

My percentages were going to an easier gear each time which might give the difference.

Yep, sorry my wording was shite – I was using the increase in teeth (decreasing effort) for the last three shifts in each cassette, 21-24-27-30 in the CS-4600
and the 22-25-28-32 for the CS-6800.

Guernsey Donkey wrote:

Actually, I’ve just remembered seeing a review a couple of months ago for a Miche cassette where you could choose what ever cogs you wanted. Looking at their website it would appear to be the SuperType.

http://www.miche.it/uploads/pdf/catalogo%20pagine/pag122-123_cassette_Supertype_tech.pdf

Six choices of small cog from 11 to 18 and six choices of large from 23 to 32 (30 for campag) and fill in the middle with what ever you want.

Downside is the rrp at €206.80 plus tax!

Yeah they look great but that is some downside 🙂 This is the current option if I give it a punt (about £50 incl shipping)

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;navigation=2;menu=1000%2C4%2C27;product=115809;mid=285;pgc=10%3A2699;page=1;dbp=0

Guernsey Donkey wrote:

12-30 with a 16T as the 11th cog?

That would be veery nice…

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My percentages were going to
My percentages were going to an easier gear each time which might give the difference.

Actually, I’ve just remembered seeing a review a couple of months ago for a Miche cassette where you could choose what ever cogs you wanted. Looking at their website it would appear to be the SuperType.

http://www.miche.it/uploads/pdf/catalogo%20pagine/pag122-123_cassette_Supertype_tech.pdf

Six choices of small cog from 11 to 18 and six choices of large from 23 to 32 (30 for campag) and fill in the middle with what ever you want.

Downside is the rrp at €206.80 plus tax!

12-30 with a 16T as the 11th cog?

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I’m getting the following for
I’m getting the following for the increased gearing percentages (% increase over the current gear).

CS 4600. 14.3 12.5 11.1
CS 6800. 13.6 12.0 14.3

An 11 speed 12-30 would give quite a nice chunk of gears with close ratio changes.. pity I can’t test ride one.

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@ Guernsey
Thanks for the
@ Guernsey

Thanks for the update, yep it seems much of a muchness in the jumps but the ratio it lands on seems just to suit me so much more. Hard to clarify, one block feels alright, one block seems to jar my senses – odd but not much I can do about that 🙂

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Guernsey Donkey wrote:Are you

Guernsey Donkey wrote:

Are you aware that the 10speed 12-30 steps from 27 to 30 while the 11 speed is 28 to 32.

Its only one extra tooth not two.

The difference in distance travelled between 34/27 & 34/30 is 10.5″. For 34/28 & 34/32 it’s 12.6″

Is 2.1″ really worth worrying about?

The 11-32 has two jumps of 3 and then the jump of 4, trust me it’s not a particularly nice cassette to use on climbs. Also 28 sometimes gives me knee hassle when used on longer, steeper climbs whilst 32 i find a bit too spinny a lot of the time. For my riding I just find a 30 his the sweet spot, it’s not the end of the world not having it but if there was a simple solution is like to give it a whirl – Miche just so happened to have a 12-30 for about 50 quid, hence the thread.

When all is said and done it’s only a nice to have so I’m not too fussed either way

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Are you aware that the
Are you aware that the 10speed 12-30 steps from 27 to 30 while the 11 speed is 28 to 32.

Its only one extra tooth not two.

The difference in distance travelled between 34/27 & 34/30 is 10.5″. For 34/28 & 34/32 it’s 12.6″

Is 2.1″ really worth worrying about?

edit to add….

On the Tiagra/Ultegra 10speed 12-30 the last four ratio changes are 9.5%, 12.5%, 11.1% & 10%.
With an Ultegra 11 speed 11-32 they would be 9.1%, 12%, 10.7% & 12.5%

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Mrmiik wrote:I’d personally

Mrmiik wrote:

I’d personally just pick up a Shimano 105 cassette. Around £20 on wiggle?

Alas Shimano don’t do a XX-30 in 11-speed.

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I’d personally just pick up a
I’d personally just pick up a Shimano 105 cassette. Around £20 on wiggle?

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Flying Scot wrote:I have used

Flying Scot wrote:

I have used BBB cassettes for Shimano, as good as any.

Aghh, I’d completely forgotten about them. Just sent them an email to see if they have a 30T, cheers.

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I have used BBB cassettes for
I have used BBB cassettes for Shimano, as good as any.

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Tin Pony wrote:Agree SRAM

Tin Pony wrote:

Agree SRAM could well be the answer you are looking for

I agree too, it was my original alternative, and i’d love one – if me numbers come in i’ll be there in a second !

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srchar wrote:What size are

srchar wrote:

What size are your chainrings? If you want close ratios but lower overall gearing, that’s what I’d be looking to change. Either from a double to a compact or, if you already have a compact, something smaller (Spa Cycles sell a compact with a 33t inner ring)… or even a triple (sorry!)

The near perfect rear cassette for me is a 12-30, which Shimano and SRAM do for 10-speed but not 11-speed – 32 is fine for really long / pretty steep climbs in the saddle but the jump between 28 and 32 on the 11-speeds is a big of a pig and mostly I don’t need a 32. Campagnolo do some great ratios but although they’d work fine with the Shimano 11-speed drive train that’s a lot of expense for a ‘nice to have’ (which is what this comes down really). SRAM do one IIRC, but for about the same price as a hack winter bike.

I’ve had a triple in the past and not keen to go back at the moment, but i’m fighting permanent thigh injury and increasingly knee and age bother so might head back there one day… just not yet 🙂

Already on a compact but hadn’t thought about a lower inner – good plan, i’ll investigate that, thanks. I have a 34T Q-ring inner thinking about it, I might try that and see if it helps….

Cheers srchar

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