Igaro describes its S1 Pro as ‘The world’s best dynamo hub USB charger’, and it’s certainly a great bit of kit, offering very dependable USB charging that’ll be attractive to anyone going on long or multi-day adventures.
We’ve tested a few USB charging solutions on road.cc, including Igaro’s D1 back in 2017, and the D2 in 2019. Most work in a similar way: a dynamo sends power to the unit, and when that power is sufficient, a USB port turns on to charge things. That’s not quite how the S1 Pro works, though.
Buy now: Igaro S1 Pro for £233.33 from Igaro
The key to the S1 Pro is that it packs in two super-capacitors in its cylindrical body, which it uses as short-term power storage. The S1 is specifically profiled for the SON28 dyno hub (although it works fine with other hubs), so it knows how much power is available at a given speed and uses two tuning circuits to extract as much as possible, which goes into the super-capacitors.
When the S1 Pro decides there’s enough stored energy for a stable charge based on the power the device attached wants to draw, it turns on the main USB port. That intermediate step means that the level of charge supplied isn’t directly related to the power the dynamo is supplying, and the resulting charge is a lot more stable.
If you like stats then Igaro has this page which shows its own benchmarking against other dyno-power solutions.
The S1 Pro’s capacitors and electronics are all housed in a long alloy tube, which has a hole to access the two USB-C ports and five blue LED lights to tell you various things.
It comes with two mounts that allow you to put it out front on your bar. If you find you struggle for space on your audax/touring setup then this might be a boon as you can hang lights or cameras off it, like I have in the pics. If you have an aero-section bar or an integrated cockpit then you’ll be out of luck, mount-wise, but it’ll also work in a bar bag or frame bag. You won’t be able to see the lights then, obviously. If you use aero bars then I found it pretty easy to accommodate both, but it’ll depend on how much of a round section your bars have.
When you mount it, you’ll want to face the LEDs slightly away from you so you can’t see them directly, unless you want to be really annoyed with them when it gets dark. Maybe the next version could include an ambient light sensor to dim them right down for the night bits. Or you could do what I did and just stick some mostly opaque tape over them…
Charging
When you start riding, the S1 Pro goes through a series of startup checks and then begins to fill up the capacitors. There are three LEDs on the body that show the level of charge. When the first LED is lit, the first USB port will power up. If the current draw is low (say, a small GPS) and more power is going in than getting sent out then the port will remain active while the capacitors charge up. If the current draw is higher than the charging current then the power in the capacitors will deplete; when they are empty, the S1 Pro will turn the USB port off, and charge until all three LEDs are lit.
Up to 1.5A charging per socket is supported, depending on what you’re charging and what leads you’re using. You can mount the S1 Pro either way round, but with the USB port LEDs on the left, as shown above, the right-hand USB light shows the status of the main port, and how much charge it’s able to supply, by going from off, through three levels of flashing, to steady. Although, oddly, as you’re looking down at the S1 Pro on your bar, the first port is actually the left-hand one, not the right-hand one. That took me a while to work out!
If you’re charging something – like a phone – that can pull a high current for charging then you’ll find that the S1 Pro only charges intermittently at most speeds, turning itself on and then off again to charge up. This is by design: the unit is supplying a more stable, higher charge current some of the time, rather than a lower, fluctuating current all of the time. One of the reasons for this is that some devices lock into lower-power charge modes when offered a low charging current, and don’t revert once the power available is higher, so you waste energy.
The higher-power-for-shorter-bursts sometimes feels like you’re missing out when you’re actually riding, but the approach means you get maximum value from your dynamo, and it works with a broader range of devices: neither the D1 nor the D2 chargers would play very nicely with my phone during testing, whereas the S1 Pro charges my Pixel 6 with no trouble at all.
I found that my micro-USB battery bank (charging on USBv2 at 500mA) would charge constantly from about 10-12km/h, but I didn’t ever really get a constant charge to my phone or my USB-C battery bank, which are both capable of USB-CC (1.5A) charging and higher, and that’s a lot of power for a dynohub to supply. It’s worth noting that with a SON 28 dynamo (which the S1 Pro is optimised for) you’d be getting about 30% more power than from my less powerful SON Delux, so you’d get less stopping and starting.
If you’re chugging up a hill then there will be fairly long gaps between the charging periods; I found that charging my phone on slower hills I’d get a couple of minutes of charging and then a wait of six to eight minutes while the capacitors filled back up again. My own slightly Heath-Robinson setup to measure the power confirmed that the charge current is really stable, with very little fluctuation.
There are two USB-C ports on the S1 Pro. The other works as a sort of energy dump to make sure you’re not losing anything that you’ve generated. As the super-capacitors reach full capacity, the second port turns on and charges whatever is attached, until the unit has freed up enough space to begin storing charge again.
Igaro says that it’s a good idea to connect a battery bank to this port to soak up the spare charge. If you’re charging something that draws a low current then on a long descent at a reasonable speed, both ports will be on.
Waterproofing
The S1 Pro might not look waterproof, with the big hole in the casing and the electronics visible inside, but it is, very. All the circuitry is fully coated to be completely waterproof, and the design of the unit means that the charge ports are well hidden from rain, recessed into the bottom of the unit. The ports are waterproof too, but it doesn’t do to get anything carrying a current wet: galvanic corrosion between the port and the lead can ruin the contacts.
For that reason the design allows the leads to be fixed in place and then sealed with a silicone sealant to fully waterproof the electrical contacts, which is worth doing if you’re depending on the S1 Pro on a long ride as your primary source of power. That’ll mean that the leads are always in the unit, and you’ll need to protect the other end from moisture too. I used the S1 Pro in the rain, unsealed, with no ill effects during testing.
Power in the bank
Igaro says that the S1 Pro is dependable enough that it does away with the need for a battery bank. In theory that’s probably true, but it’ll depend on how you like to do things. On a long ride I have a GPS and a phone that predominantly need charging, and there are lights and sometimes a camera too. Rather than faffing around with leads the whole time, I’ve tended in the past to dump the power into a 5,000mAh battery. That’ll charge my phone once over, or do my GPS about three times.
The benefit for me of having the charge in the battery is that when I stop I can decide what needs charging and prioritise that, and the battery outputs at a higher power than the dynamo does; on a half hour stop I can get about 25% of charge in my phone. In an emergency where something you need is about to die you can always plug it in directly, and you can start with a full battery bank and plug the S1 Pro into your phone, say, until something else needs topping up from the battery, and then charge the battery back up.
Do whatever works for you, basically. I think I tend to err towards the battery because many previous chargers I’ve tried haven’t really worked with devices (especially phones) all that well; here it’s not an issue, so in time my behaviour might change.
Rate of charge
In terms of rate of charge, I’ve been averaging about 12% of charge per hour into my phone (Pixel 6 Pro, 5,000mAh battery) in the course of a normal ride, which is normally fairly hilly and about 20-22km/h riding average. You can maximise charge by turning your phone off, or putting it in flight mode, but I generally don’t tend to bother. Things got charged noticeably quicker when I was busting along the flat for hours on a 400km audax in Suffolk and Norfolk where I managed nearly 27km/h for the first 300km. If only I lived somewhere flat…
I don’t tend to use dynamo lights because I’m a lightweight and most of my long-distance riding only really involves one overnight stint; battery lights these days are more than capable of that and I prefer having the extra power available for descents. On top of that, I mostly use the excellent Ravemen LR1600, which will run from an external power source in low-power mode, so it’s kind of a dynamo light if you ever need it to be.
If you are running a dynamo lighting system, the S1 Pro runs a check each time you start riding from a stop, to check for the lights, and if they’re present then it’ll prioritise lighting and only run USB charging if you’re moving fast enough that there’s extra capacity.
Each time you stop, the S1 Pro will remain on for four minutes, to provide a standlight for your dynamo lights; this is so it complies with the German StVZO regulations. It’ll also keep charging devices during this time, although I found that the capacitors were generally depleted well before the timeout.
Enough power?
So it’s a very capable unit that supplies usable power and is well designed. Could you use it as your only source of power on a long adventure? Well, it depends. If I was doing longish days of audax-speed riding – say, 10-12 hours in the saddle at 20-22km/h average moving speed – then from my testing I’d say that would be enough to fully recharge my battery, or my phone, which easily lasts longer than a day on one charge. Then there’s the GPS, and maybe lights or a camera too.
If you’re going faster and longer on an ultradistance event then that’s proportionally more power you can generate and store, from both the extra speed and the duration, so you’d likely be fine if you’re not also filming a long documentary of it, and you’re using dynamo lights after dark. If you’re bikepacking, say, and doing shorter durations or slower speeds then you might not be banking enough to keep everything running for multiple days.
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With all that said, the real answer to the question is: you’re probably more likely to achieve it with this than with anything else right now. Igaro’s comparison page that I mentioned earlier has to be taken at face value, in the sense that it’s Igaro’s testing that makes its thing look good, but I’d say that of all the charging devices I’ve had personal experience of – which is a decent handful – the S1 Pro feels like it’s doing the best job of getting power from the dynohub into your things thus far.
I’m never that excited by the rate of charge that you get from a dynamo – it always seems a bit glacial, especially now when phones charge at around 20W from a wall socket and only take a couple of hours from empty to full. But I like what Igaro has done with the circuitry in the S1 Pro to maximise the available charge, and I also think the form factor works well and adds useful bar space on a distance setup.
Value & conclusion
In terms of value it’s an expensive unit, and about £100 more than Igaro’s latest version of the D2, which is still a great option if you’re just going to dump power into, say, a battery that’s less picky about charge currents. You can pay more: the steerer-mounted Cinq USB unit is £300. Given the build quality and the performance, I think the price is reasonable.
Do you need one? Well, it’s a fairly niche product. Personally, I don’t. I’m unlikely to take on anything bigger than a 600km audax and for that kind of distance my bigger 10,000mAh battery will keep everything charged just fine. But if you’re planning a long tour or an ultradistance event and you want reliable power to keep things topped up then the S1 Pro is a high quality bit of kit that’ll do that job as well or better than anything else out there right now.
Verdict
Really well-realised dynamo USB charger that adds a bit of bar real estate too
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road.cc test report
Make and model: Igaro S1 Pro
Size tested: n/a
Tell us what the product is for and who it’s aimed at. What do the manufacturers say about it? How does that compare to your own feelings about it?
Igaro says:
The worlds best dynamo hub USB charger.
Optimized, perfected and engineered without compromise. With two USB-C ports and lots of smarts. For those seeking the best of the best, this is it.
Internal Storage
Huge super-capacitors.
Hoovers up excess power, provides stability during slow riding and rough terrain, and provides 4 minutes of stationary power1. Features higher efficiency and 5000x life-span over lithium batteries, and works great in sub-zero temperatures.
Performance
Full USB charging from 12kph.
Worlds highest performance. Power starts from just 6kph and most devices will charge from 10kph. More power is available as speed increases.
Technology
Packed with incredible density.
Redefining what’s possible from dynamo hub power with a huge list of features packed into its small and light-weight body. Unbeatable in every aspect.
Design
With smart status indicators.
Five blue lights are conveniently placed in the riders line-of-sight. Discrete patterns show storage level, how much power a USB device is consuming (and when charging is complete) and whether the second USB-C port is powered. Mount accessories directly onto the bar.
Dependable
With a 5 year international warranty.
A tough aluminium body and brackets, a IP69 water-proof rating, and recessed USB-C ports for natural rain protection. It’s built to last a lifetime.
Tell us how the product performed overall when used for its designed purpose
Very well. Charges things. More things than others I’ve tried, more dependably.
Tell us what you particularly liked about the product
Dependable charging, extra space on bars, good waterproofing, clever light detection.
Tell us what you particularly disliked about the product
LEDs can be distracting, won’t work with some bars, expensive.
How does the price compare to that of similar products in the market, including ones recently tested on road.cc?
USB chargers start at about £30 and you can pay £300, so this unit is nearer the top of the market.
Did you enjoy using the product? Yes
Would you consider buying the product? Yes, if I was planning an ultradistance race, which I’m not.
Would you recommend the product to a friend? Yes
Use this box to explain your overall score
It’s an excellent unit, and performance is as good as I’ve found: it charges more things more reliably. With a niche product like this value is less of a factor, though it is quite expensive.
About the tester
Age: 50
I usually ride: whatever I’m testing… My best bike is: Kinesis Tripster ATR, Merida Scultura, Dward Design fixed
I’ve been riding for: Over 20 years I ride: Every day I would class myself as: Expert
I regularly do the following types of riding: road racing, commuting, touring, club rides, general fitness riding, fixed/singlespeed, Mountain Bike Bog Snorkelling, track
44 thoughts on “Igaro S1 Pro”
…and there was me thinking
…and there was me thinking that I should start to carry less on an audax than I have been of late.
I liked the design of a bar
I liked the design of a bar on which to mount one or three cycling items normally cluttering up the handlebars where I wants to grip ’em now & then. No electronic thingy needed by moi, though, as no gizmos required.
One may purchase a bar & clips identical (and I mean identical) to that reviewed sans electronics for under £7.00! How can the purveyor of this item possibly justify over £220 for a few simple and inexpensive electronic components? How can “a reviewer” seem happy to recommend the thing at this absolutely rip-off price?
Incidentally, other such identical bars containing not dissimilar electronics and a power repository can be had for about £25. Perhaps the connectors lack gold plating and a product label with a diamond in it?
Can you provide links to
Can you provide links to these “identical” and “not dissimilar” items please?
mark1a wrote:
Here’s one list; there’ll be similar lists from various other on-line retailers.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=bike+extension+bar&i=sports&crid=32T5ID4Y1RZ4M&sprefix=bike+bar+extension%2Csports%2C82&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_4_18
PS I just received a nice £6.99 alloy blue bar & mounts of this ilk albeit without any fabulously expensive electronics in it for charging things not-needed. Already it has two front lights on it! They’re over 10 years old but still charge up, although I do have to plug them into a USB socket to do so. Should I buy a new pair of wheels with a dynamo in to do the charging, do you think?
We have read these comments
We have read these comments and consider them to be defamatory. Please read our post and take action – which must include a public apology.
igarocom wrote:
As far as I can see, cugel has said that they think that there are similar products on the market which are less expensive. Forgive me, but I think that’s just expressing an opinion, isn’t it? How is it defamatory?
(road.cc admins / Dave Atkinson – do you want to wade in on this?)
Those are not his words. The
Those are not his words. The two points we take issue with are:
1. Few simple and inexpensive electronic components.
2. Other such identical bars containing not dissimilar electronics and a power repository can be had for about £25.
They are factually untrue. This makes them defamatory.
igarocom wrote:
I’m afraid your statement is factually untrue. But fortunately that doesn’t make it defamatory.
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EDIT: I wanted to leave it there because it was quite a neat encapsulation of the point, but that won’t really help you. In order to be defamatory, it is not sufficient to show that the statement is factually untrue – it must also tend to lower other people’s estimation of you. In this particular case, if you’d read the room, I’d wager that if anything Cugel’s disapproval might raise people’s view of your product. What’s more, even if what Cugel said is factually untrue, it is a defence to defamation if it an honestly held belief.
It would be interesting to
It would be interesting to see a court case where the manufacturer put forward a claim that charging £220 for this product is not, in fact, a rip-off and that no reasonable person could think that it was.
igarocom wrote:
But are they inaccurate though?
You may consider them defamatory, but you’ll need to demonstrate that Cugel’s words have caused your company “serious harm”.
The following statements are
The following statements are clearly defamatory. The reasoning why we believe this is found in our other post.
1. Few simple and inexpensive electronic components.
2. Other such identical bars containing not dissimilar electronics and a power repository can be had for about £25.
You really could do with
You really could do with looking at defamation law. Leaving aside that Cugel’s opinions are opinions and not statements of fact, they’re not going to lower reasonable readers’ opinion of you.
You’re a business, looking to make a profit. You’ve priced your product to make the most you can for the niche you want to occupy. Others may well (I don’t know) have a similar idea which they can produce and sell for less, perhaps of lower quality. All this is fine, and the hypothetical reasonable reader understands this and doesn’t think the worse of you for your pricing decisions.
This hypothetically-reasonable reader thinks the worse of you because you’re waving baseless legal threats around on a comments thread, even though you’ve been told why you’re wrong. You come across as thin-skinned and unprofessional, and I’d hate to buy your product in case there was a fault I had to report to you.
You’ll get good and bad reviews, and anonymous internet commenters who like and don’t like your products: some negative opinions might well be very unfair. But that’s just part of doing business, and believe me when I say any lawyer will tell you in short order that you don’t have a case here and so you should drop this.
I think I would add to that,
I think I would add to that, the “reasonable reader” would also deduce that the price of any product is not the sum of the components, manufacture and shipping, but also includes the research and development amortised against projected sales. I had already deduced from Dave’s review that this was not the average “battery & ports in a bar” type of thing, hence my question regarding “identical” and “not dissimilar”, it does sound like some work has gone in to it. If I was doing PBP or LEL on a bike with a dynamo, I’d have one of these.
I could of course be wrong, in the recent Wera torque wrench & spanner reviews, Cugel said I was “wrong about most things” and my Park Tool (“you’ve been conned!”) tools “from east of Suez” are not adequate (spoiler: so are most of my bikes, they’re fine).
I refrained from calling him a c**t then as I thought it’d be uncouth.
mark1a wrote:
Sensitive, you are! Often an attribute of the fragile-ego’d pompous fellow, that. 🙂
Also an emotional condition of those realising they may have been duped into buyng summick expensive only for it to turn out to be a pig in a poke.
Popcorn, get your popcorn!
Popcorn, get your popcorn!
Cugel may very well be a
Cugel may very well be a “pompous know-all” with an incredibly irritating style of (over)writing, but if you think anything he’s said is defamatory to the extent English law is going to take even the slightest notice you will learn a pretty expensive lesson.
It’d be money better spent on some PR training, and perhaps wider internet access so you can see the sorts of things that get said without legal action being forthcoming.
To be fair, I don’t think he
To be fair, I don’t think he’s picked this one particular item to run down, he does it to anything to he’s not chosen or invented himself.
Are you insinuating that I’m
Are you insinuating that I’m not 100% correct? I’ll see you in court. *bangs gavel for no discernible reason
This is bearing increasing
This is bearing increasing resemblence to a series of unlikely and ludicrous cases.
Reminds me of something I
Reminds me of something I once saw in the “bolour supplement.”
mark1a wrote:
Cuh! If I question a reviewer for claiming a thing is over-priced I yam Bad-Cugel. If I question a reviewer for not mentioning a thing is obviously very over-priced, I yam Bad-Cugel.
Perhaps what you really mean is that you jes don like the cut o’ my jib? Nevertheless, I will leave it set-so and sail on. 🙂
I am appreciating the bizarre
I am appreciating the bizarre nature of this thread and the odd verbiage! Now all we need is the pictures – maybe this would be appropriate?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krazy_Kat
(P.S. unlikely to buy this product but as noted in the review this is for niche use-cases. On the rare overnight rides I’m happy with just a dynamo to run my lights so far.)
chrisonatrike wrote:
I likes that Kat. One day I may borrow the name, especially if I come across a cycling forum full of them naughty mice-types rather than wildebeest herds and the odd crocodile. Tough love from a brick-throwing mouse is just what I need, eh?
I think it’s more that you
I think it’s more that you write like a 12-year-old who thinks he’s an intellectual now he’s discovered Terry Pratchett, with the unshakeable certainty in your own rightness that is often displayed by the not-terribly-bright.
It’s not, to the best of my knowledge, a civil tort though. As Voltaire didn’t say, “I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend until I get bored or distracted your right to say it on the internet in an intolerably smug fashion.”
Brauchsel wrote:
It is a terrible character flaw, my inclination to tease and mock in something of the schoolyard fashion. Blame an upbringing full of self-appointed tinpot “authorities” with a side-helping of bully fellows, not to mention all the liars (even to themselves).
But you’re wrong to think I yam a one o’ them lads full of certainty with an unshakeable belief that “I am always right, me”. On the contrary. ….
When not in the schoolyard mocking a bully as he beat me whilst demanding my dinner money, I was in a classroom being told that I was a Bad Boy for arguing points ferociously then changing my mind. I took this as a compliment and have tried to live up to it since. 🙂
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Wanting to be liked and accepted by all & sundry – the source of so much angst and eventual moral decrepitude. eh? But I will try to mind my manners, just for you.
PS Pratchett is a tedious prose-plodder; I prefer Jack Vance style.
Brauchsel wrote:
I’d assumed that he was trying to write in the style of Jack Vance’s Dying Earth series where Cugel The Clever is the main protaganist.
(The Dying Earth series inspired the magic of early D&D and even some of the spell names are copied. I’ve played quite a bit of the Dying Earth RPG which is a lot of fun as 99% of the gameplay involves trying to insult or one-up the other players and characters whilst using flowery and pompous language. It has an unusual way of gaining experience in that the GM gives out two or three tag-lines that are a brief sentence each and the player aims to use their tag-line at a suitable point and are rewarded according to how well it was delivered and its relevance)
hawkinspeter wrote:
Indeed – Like the Vance Cugel I go about a literally dying Earth, self-seeking like the self-centred little skinbag I yam in my efforts to avoid the general degradations but getting bested by larger powers of every kind, who easily trip up my sly but obvious intentions.
Any moment now, I will be subject to The Spell of Forlorn Encystment, putting me away in a deep hole from which my annoying bleats, pleads and demands for attention can’t be heard. Mark1a will be joyous but Mark5b may be disappointed as he was just about to join the conversation with some actually telling and effective put-downs of poor Cugel. (Mark 1a seems able only to wind up my key again).
Thank you for the context. I
Thank you for the context. I shall now view the posts in a very slightly more generous light.
Dave A. forgot to mention in
Dave A. forgot to mention in the review, he runs and tested the Igaro S1 using a SON Delux. We recommend the SON 28 as it yields circa 30% more power.
If a rider wishes to slow down the charge rate one trick that frequently works is to use a USB-C to USB-A adapter and then USB-A to USB-C adapter. This disables USB-C CC communication. The only time this is beneficial is when charging a phone which doesn’t allow the screen wake-up to be disabled.
Regarding Cugels comments, in the spirit of being open and transparent, we will allow Cugel the opportunity to reconsider his defamatory writing and will help him to do so by offering some cold hard facts; internally there are 117 electronic components, assembly comprises 2 stacked PCBs and 4 epoxy stages, there’s approximately 3,000 lines of programming code, and while we went with what is considered an ‘open-standard’ for the brackets the body has additional CNC work.
Err, no he didn’t. Pretty
Err, no he didn’t. Pretty sure this was already there last week when I first read it:
Perhaps a public apology?
Excellent, Dave added it to
Excellent, Dave added it to the review. Originally it wasn’t in there.
Pretty sure it was in there
Pretty sure it was in there when you posted though, as I remember reading it last week.
It may well have been, we
It may well have been, we only read it the first hour it came out and weren’t aware it had been updated. Thank you Dave!
Road.cc articles include a
Road.cc articles include a note in the byline when they’ve been updated; as of the posting of this comment, this article contains no such note. Cugel is indeed an obnoxious ass, but it seems you’ve been wrong about literally everything else.
Yep.
Even if it had been updated,
Even if it had been updated, bizarre of them to read the review in the first hour, then wait 5 days to post a clarification without re-reading the article first.
Then we stand corrected, we
Then we stand corrected, we missed that paragraph and made an error. Thank you.
Indeed, and all while
Indeed, and all while throwing Dave under the bus after he gave the product a stellar review.
We hardly threw him under the
We hardly threw him under the bus. Indeed when we spoke to Dave he wasn’t sure he’d included it either. This is concluded.
igarocom wrote:
Then what should we call it when you claimed he did something that he didn’t actually do (see attached photo).
How about “defamation”?
Do tell how this is relevant.
You’re remarkably peevish and ungracious for someone who 1) came to the comments section spouting all sorts of nonsense and falsehoods while accusing someone else of defamation and 2) presumably wants people to actually like and buy your product.
To me it looks like a clever
To me it looks like a clever product well made, something I’d have never considered to be available in such a form factor.. a bit pricey, but it doesn’t seem ‘outrageous’ in todays fashionable bike (packing/gravel) market.
However anyone or any-company who’s brave enough to take on a comments section is either new to the internet or soundly cocooned in enough facts, stats and witty references to take down an elephant. I suspect the former, as asking for a public apology from Cudgel is akin to ‘Old Man Shouts a Clouds’.
Either way, good luck to Igaro, with the product and of course in getting an apology.
I think Igaro might have been
I think Igaro might have been scared off.. which is a bit of a shame as their doubling (trebling?) down was just getting good, until you thumped them with a few fact hammers.
So much for the Monty Python memes.. you lot have ruined it.
In summary: Never ague with
In summary: Never ague with a Cudgel. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Secret_squirrel wrote:
I’ve been trying for ages to find a way to use “cudgel” in a comment about or to “cugel”. Thank you
brooksby wrote:
Wallop, wallop, wallop! That’s the way to do it.
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