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  • October 10, 2022 at 7:00 pm #32287
    millhouse

    Hello all. HELP!!!!!!
    Two weeks ago I was hit off my bike on a Sunday morning riding towards home. The car did not slow down as he approached the roundabout and hit my rear wheel, sending me flying across the tarmac.
    100% his fault. I have quite bad wounds to my left side and my rear wheel and frame are trashed.
    He was around 70 and I trusted him to do the right thing…. Unfortunately he didn’t and I have just found out that he reported the incident as non fault.
    I felt sick to hear this and I am raging about it, but feel helpless.
    The police refused to attend and I did not call for an ambulance because I did not want to take up NHS resources. I have made a report to the police and feel that he should be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. He admitted at the scene that he had not seen me. There was a pedestrian witness who was a marshall for the London to Southend bike event. I took her name and number just in case.
    It looks like now I will have to go down the legal route with expenses and headaches that I should not be facing right now as the victim. Just goes to show that you cannot trust anyone in this country, even respectful looking pensioners!
    Anyone got any ideas how I should approach this?
    I really want him to get what he deserves, he had no concern for me as I was only a cyclist and shouldn’t even be riding on the road.
    Charlie.

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  • October 14, 2022 at 1:09 pm #1006605
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    Tom_77
    HoarseMann wrote:
    There are some roundabouts where you can enter without giving way. It’s not common, but some have give way markings for circulating traffic, such as this one… https://goo.gl/maps/m7hfcXFgoVGVYCZW6

    Thanks, that makes sense. I’d pictured a standard roundabout with no give way markings at the entrances.

    October 14, 2022 at 10:24 am #1006603
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    Gimpl
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    kil0ran wrote:
    Having been in a car to car collision on a roundabout resulting in a claim I have to agree with you, particularly if there’s no camera evidence. One question you’ll get asked is whether you were established on the roundabout and whether you were changing lane. Priority and give way to the right doesn’t come into it.

    Wouldn’t being “established on the roundabout” also mean that you’d be to the right of a vehicle joining it?

    All you roundabout rookies yes

    Come to Milton Keynes for training 

    October 13, 2022 at 5:51 pm #1006601
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    David9694

    No win – bit of a fee? Crack

    No win – bit of a fee? Crack on and keep us posted. 

    October 13, 2022 at 4:18 pm #1006599
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    HoarseMann
    wycombewheeler wrote:
    two vehicles appraoching a mini roundabout, if the one coming from the left he can get there first and be “established” on the roundabout before the one from the right enters the roundabout 0.2s later. 

    But this is mitigated by the potential for a vehicle to emerge in front. So there is a limit to how fast you can approach a roundabout, because you need to factor in vehicles coming from 2 directions.

    It’s certainly a game of chicken if you only consider that you have to give way to your right. If you can see that direction is clear, then the faster you approach the roundabout, the sooner you get ‘priority’ over vehicles emerging from the left.

    October 13, 2022 at 4:10 pm #1006597
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    HoarseMann

    There are some roundabouts

    There are some roundabouts where you can enter without giving way. It’s not common, but some have give way markings for circulating traffic, such as this one… https://goo.gl/maps/m7hfcXFgoVGVYCZW6

    On a mini-roundabout, the thick/short dashed lines and the double-dashed give way markings hold the same mandatory ‘MUST’ requirement to give way to traffic circulating on the roundabout. They mean exactly the same thing, but the ‘give way’ lines are sometimes chosen to make the junction more prominent; it lets them throw up a give way sign as well as a blue circle of arrows.

    The white circle marking also has this mandatory requirement, so is effectively a give way too!

    “no vehicle is to proceed past the [white circle] marking in a manner, or at a time, likely to endanger any person, or to cause the driver of another vehicle to change its speed or course in order to avoid an accident”

    October 13, 2022 at 3:44 pm #1006595
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    Tom_77

    I find the road markings on

    I find the road markings on roundabouts can be quite confusing. Often some arms of the roundabout will have Give Way markings on the road, while the remaining arms do not.

    So are the rules different if the markings are different? The highway code says “check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way”, which sounds positively dangerous if taken at face value.

     

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/roundabouts.JPG

    October 13, 2022 at 9:03 am #1006593
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    wycombewheeler
    NOtotheEU wrote:
    Thanks. I’m leaning towards CUK as I look more closely at both and read others comments on Road.cc.

    I moved from BC to CUK when BC decided to defend drivers watching tv footage behind the wheel as long as it is part of a bike race.

    Many cyclists complained, but the just doubled down with closed roads blah blah blah. 

    October 13, 2022 at 9:01 am #1006591
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    wycombewheeler
    HoarseMann wrote:
    wycombewheeler wrote:
    Effectively allowing an interpretation that leads to a game of chicken.

    It’s not really a game of chicken, it’s ensuring that you give priority to the right to vehicles on the roundabout AND don’t crash into any vehicles already ahead of you on the roundabout.

    That effectively means you need to be prepared to deal with traffic coming from the right AND emerging from the left before you reach the roundabout. Which is what any competent driver would do.

    The trouble is, the highway code doesn’t emphasise this enough,  ‘look forward before moving off’ sounds like you only need to look forward if you had stopped!

    two vehicles appraoching a mini roundabout, if the one coming from the left he can get there first and be “established” on the roundabout before the one from the right enters the roundabout 0.2s later. The driver from the left shoudl really be looking to their right and giving way., but the other driver isn’t technically on the roundabout yet.

    October 13, 2022 at 8:26 am #1006589
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    IanMSpencer

    The Highway Code doesn’t
    The Highway Code doesn’t properly seem to cover the “Be alert for drivers who enter at the same time but ignore the dot in the middle, trying to cut across in front of you.” – effectively going the wrong way round the roundabout.

    October 13, 2022 at 8:15 am #1006587
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    HoarseMann
    wycombewheeler wrote:
    Effectively allowing an interpretation that leads to a game of chicken.

    It’s not really a game of chicken, it’s ensuring that you give priority to the right to vehicles on the roundabout AND don’t crash into any vehicles already ahead of you on the roundabout.

    That effectively means you need to be prepared to deal with traffic coming from the right AND emerging from the left before you reach the roundabout. Which is what any competent driver would do.

    The trouble is, the highway code doesn’t emphasise this enough,  ‘look forward before moving off’ sounds like you only need to look forward if you had stopped!

    October 12, 2022 at 7:16 pm #1006585
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    NOtotheEU
    David9694 wrote:
    Holding up white van man – grafter, “fella’s got to earn a living” – for just  8 seconds is something society takes a dim view of in Liz Truss’s Desperation Britain, it’s tantamount to being anti-growth – you wouldn’t want to be anti-growth, would you?

    You’re right, I should stop being so entitled. I now realise that drivers have important things to be getting on with and don’t have time to worry about my safety.

    October 12, 2022 at 7:14 pm #1006583
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    NOtotheEU

    Thanks. I’m leaning towards

    Thanks. I’m leaning towards CUK as I look more closely at both and read others comments on Road.cc.

    October 12, 2022 at 7:12 pm #1006581
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    NOtotheEU

    Thanks for the info.

    Thanks for the info.

    October 12, 2022 at 6:03 pm #1006579
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    millhouse

    Ha ha you built me up and
    Ha ha you built me up and dropped me like a stone all in 2 paragraphs. Got to say that I agree with you, I keep resisting the camera option but it can save lots of stress.

    October 12, 2022 at 6:01 pm #1006577
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    millhouse

    Thank you all for your words
    Thank you all for your words of wisdom. I had let my British Cycling membership lapse some time back but I contacted them anyway. Got an email back very quickly saying that they could not directly help me but had passed my details to their legal partners Leigh Day?
    So I got a call today and was offered a no win no fee deal and they would take on the case for me. I asked how much it will cost me and it would be £70 if I got less than £5k for my claim, £140 if more than 5k.
    Right now that seems like a good deal. It is less about money and more about principle for me now.

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