Ban cyclists and e-scooter riders using phones, Tory peer urges (BBC)

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    brooksby

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    Baroness McIntosh of Pickering wants a law change so cyclists are prosecuted for the offence of using a phone, in the same way that car drivers are.

    Lady McIntosh questioned why Rule 149 of the code, requiring motorists to “exercise proper control of your vehicle at all times” and banning use of a mobile phone while driving, did not apply to cyclists and other road users.

    To illustrate her point, she said she had recently been walking to the Houses of Parliament and as she was crossing the road, she suddenly became aware of a cyclist travelling towards her using a mobile phone, “one hand bicycling, one hand on the mobile phone, on the wrong side of the road”.

    She added: “I wasn’t clear whether he was going to stop or not.”

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    Ahhhh – legislation based on anecdata 😉

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61018584

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  • #990941
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    mdavidford

    Apparently it’s a catfish.

    Apparently it’s a catfish.

    So presumably Antonio?

    #990939
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    chrisonabike

    lonpfrb wrote:

    lonpfrb wrote:
    I may be mistaken but recall that you provided evidence that many if not most 4 seat motor vehicle journeys were completed with just one occupant. Even a ‘shopping trolley’ (Fiat 500 up) is largely wasted space, mass, and energy..

    As windfarm enthusiast* Donald Trump said “I am the evidence”.

    lonpfrb wrote:
    A well known motor vehicle manufacturer did produce a 2 wheel vehicle with a roof and engine but UK legislation still required a helmet to be worn so it wasn’t successful…

    Why stop at 2 wheels?

    * This is not true. But he did use that phrase when opposing them appearing near his golf resort in Scotland.

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/monowheel.png

    #990937
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    John Stevenson

    Sorry, I think you mean ‘the

    Sorry, I think you mean ‘the Daily Mail has to be frothing about something to secure parliamentary time for preventative legislation….’

    #990935
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    lonpfrb

    jh2727 wrote:

    jh2727 wrote:

    Nothing particularly current about it. Baroness Pickering has been trying – and failing – to get such laws passed for over a decade.


    You would have thought that during that decade someone from the whips office would have explained that evidence [of harm] is required to secure parliamentary time for preventative legislation….

    Saying that, the Housing Act 2004, as amended, now adds £300 per bedroom to the cost of private rented accommodation. Where was the evidence of a general, and not exceptional, issue exactly? You may wonder.. #CostOfLiving #UnintendedConsequenses

    #990933
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    lonpfrb

    chrisonatrike wrote:

    chrisonatrike wrote:

    “Must look / fit as many as my last car” may not be helping.  If you can get away with not needing to permanently carry 4 extra seats with you then microcars can probably go further.


    I may be mistaken but recall that you provided evidence that many if not most 4 seat motor vehicle journeys were completed with just one occupant. Even a ‘shopping trolley’ (Fiat 500 up) is largely wasted space, mass, and energy..

    A well known motor vehicle manufacturer did produce a 2 wheel vehicle with a roof and engine but UK legislation still required a helmet to be worn so it wasn’t successful…

    eBike will have to do then.

    #990931
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    Backladder
    ktache wrote:
    Small, light and more efficient cars are just not wanted anymore, or so it seems.

    Because of “range anxiety” car owners seem to want 2-300 mile range, or that is what the car company seem to sell them.  That means transporting huge weight of batteries meaning more weight which then needs more batteries.  When most journeys are only a few miles, and even 50 miles would be a huge amount to drive on a daily basis.  Perhaps removable battery packs for that very rare occasion that the really need the range would work.

    I think it might be in Singapore, they did an emoped scheme that you never charged the battery, when getting flat you’d visit a hub remove the old battery and pick up a fully charged one, shove it in and away you went.  Negating the problems of charging in apartment complexes.

    Its not that small light and efficient cars are not wanted its that they can no longer be legally produced as they will lack all the passive safety systems (airbags, seatbelts, abs, crumple zones etc) that have been legislated into existance and increase the weight of the base car, this then requires a bigger heavier engine/motor and battery/fuel load to get it to move and all of a sudden even the smallest cars weigh over a ton when the original mini 850 weight was under 600Kg.

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    wtjs

    no need to lie about them

    no need to lie about them

    No lying involved, not by me at any rate, and I rather take exception to the allegation. I went onto the website as I described and there was nothing about the batteries there, as I described. You are an e-bike enthusiast, so I’m quite prepared to take your statement about replacements at face value and just wait for stories about irreplaceable parts to appear. As for your claim about a ‘weird obsession’, we have been through this before and I don’t need any of your condescending tips- I rarely think about e-bikes because I never see them far from power sources or in less than ideal conditions. I did see one motor past me last Thursday on the big hill out of Lindale in the South Lakes when I was heaving the trusty trailer for 4 days above Coniston- full motor power, effortless upright position versus gruelling effort for 7 hours. Cool, but a completely different activity

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    Rendel Harris
    wtjs wrote:
    Maybe something like a bicycle powered by electricity could be invented?

    Yes, and they could even mention the price of replacement batteries and how you fit them to that sleek ‘disguised e-bike’ frame. An e-bike branded by some nominally Italian (owned by Volkswagen, I recall) marque was recently advertised on here where the flash marketing didn’t mention either of these factors, and I couldn’t find any on the website either. That means you’re not going to be able to get a replacement or fit it. 

    Take it you’re referring to Ducati, all of whose ebikes use either FSA or Shimano batteries which are easily obtainable and which can be replaced in five minutes, even the in-frame “stealth” options. Batteries cost about £400, which isn’t peanuts but they should last about 25,000 km+, which is a pretty negligible cost when, as with me, adding an ebike to the stable allows one to get rid of the car. I know you’ve got a weird obsession with ebikes (tip: what other people choose to ride doesn’t do you any harm, just chill and enjoy your ride without worrying about others) but no need to lie about them.

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    wtjs

    Maybe something like a

    Maybe something like a bicycle powered by electricity could be invented?

    Yes, and they could even mention the price of replacement batteries and how you fit them to that sleek ‘disguised e-bike’ frame. An e-bike branded by some nominally Italian (owned by Volkswagen, I recall) marque was recently advertised on here where the flash marketing didn’t mention either of these factors, and I couldn’t find any on the website either. That means you’re not going to be able to get a replacement or fit it. 

    #990923
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    wtjs

    one of your “against cycling”

    one of your “against cycling” was on a NMOTD claiming the cyclist moved out deliberately into the path of the vehicle over taking without you even noticing the van parked on the road the cyclist needed to move out to overtake

    Standard nutter members of the public are not the only ones to try this ‘cyclist deliberately moved into the path of the motorised vehicle’ dodge as a method of victim blaming. Lancashire Constabulary does this regularly, despite knowing that the footage is from a headcam. In that case, when you glance right because you hear and see a vehicle coming far too close the very stupid police officer claims you have swerved in the space of a couple of seconds deliberately into the path of the vehicle. You wonder how the police manage to find people this thick to recruit.

    #990921
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    ktache

    The stumpjumper always had

    The stumpjumper always had more class.

    #990919
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    chrisonabike

    Never heard of Nibali?

    Never heard of Nibali?

    #990917
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    hawkinspeter
    Pyro Tim wrote:
    Indeed, but Rockhoppers are very entry level, so wouldn’t assume that he has the skills round trails either

    Hey, I’ve got an old Rockhopper!

    **sad lack of trails skills noises**

    #990915
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    mdavidford

    I was envisaging them riding

    I was envisaging them riding something more like this.

    (Not sure who the friend in the background is, though.)

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/penguincycle.png

    #990913
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    Pyro Tim

    Indeed, but Rockhoppers are

    Indeed, but Rockhoppers are very entry level, so wouldn’t assume that he has the skills round trails either

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