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What do you do when loads of drivers get nicked for speeding?

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  • March 25, 2019 at 2:00 pm #29463
    cycle.london

    Simple: you suggest that since so many people are breaking the law, maybe we should abolish the law!

    At least, if you’re the self-entitled wanker called Hugh Bladon (founder of the Alliance of British Drivers), that is.

    ‘If a lot of people are being caught it may be that the speed limit on that road is ridiculously low.  The speed limit needs to be reassessed to see what the normal speed of the road is. The limit should be set at the speed that 85 per cent of drivers take the road at…‘

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6846749/Britains-busiest-speed-camera-snares-327-drivers-week.html

    Sent this e-mail to the Alliance of British Drivers today:

    Subject: FAO Hugh Bladon

    ‘Good afternoon,
    I read with interest the comments attributed to Mr Hugh Bladon in the Daily Mail article referenced below:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6846749/Britains-busiest-speed-camera-snares-327-drivers-week.html

    Mr Bladon is quoted as saying:

    ‘If a lot of people are being caught it may be that the speed limit on that road is ridiculously low.  The speed limit needs to be reassessed to see what the normal speed of the road is. The limit should be set at the speed that 85 per cent of drivers take the road at’.

    Would you be kind enough to :

    1.  confirm for me that the words above were indeed spoken or written by Mr Bladon?

    2.  if the answer to 1. is ‘yes’, would you please provide references to when Mr Bladon has advocated the repeal of the Theft Act 1968 on the grounds that a lot of people are stealing (3,591,000 offences of theft reported to the police in 2018)?

    Thank you so much.‘

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  • March 29, 2019 at 1:07 pm #938281
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    hawkinspeter
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    March 29, 2019 at 12:55 pm #938279
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    ktache

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    March 29, 2019 at 12:16 pm #938277
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    Katom4Calash
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    March 29, 2019 at 9:20 am #938275
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    hawkinspeter
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    March 29, 2019 at 8:20 am #938273
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    Katom4Calash
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    March 29, 2019 at 7:55 am #938271
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    hawkinspeter
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    March 29, 2019 at 7:49 am #938269
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    Katom4Calash

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    March 28, 2019 at 5:09 pm #938267
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    ooldbaker

    Would you be kind enough to :

    Would you be kind enough to :

    1.  confirm for me that the words above were indeed spoken or written by Mr Bladon?

    2.  if the answer to 1. is ‘yes’, would you please provide references to when Mr Bladon has advocated the repeal of the Theft Act 1968 on the grounds that a lot of people are stealing (3,591,000 offences of theft reported to the police in 2018)?

    If not, at least introduce a theft license and give bank robbers  3 points for every bank they are caught robbing and only ban them for two years if they reach 12 points in any three years and it would not cause them undue hardship.

    Provided, of course, that the police only set traps to catch them at banks that have been attacked previously and they publish in advance where they will be.

    Motorists are already the most priviliged and numerous law breakers.

     

    March 28, 2019 at 1:59 pm #938265
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    PRSboy

    I don’t understand speed

    I don’t understand speed limits.  Sometimes I would agree that the limit on a stretch of road can seem unduly low given the lack of junctions, pedstrians etc.

    But other times, you will see a national speed limit sign on a single track road which pedestrians use and there are houses along, just for example-

    https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0688482,-4.7492277,3a,51.7y,336.04h,87.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssCkV7MGNCafgtc9jNtkssw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

     

    March 28, 2019 at 11:52 am #938263
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    Legs_Eleven_Worcester
    LastBoyScout wrote:
    I have to say that I don’t disagree with him in principle – regular re-assessment of law is right and proper and, if found to be genuinely incorrect, should have the capacity to be amended.

    Well, yes.  But ‘incorrect’ isn’t (or shouldn’t be) a synonym for ‘routinely ignored’.  

    March 28, 2019 at 10:34 am #938261
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    FluffyKittenofTindalos

    It’s clearly untrue that a

    It’s clearly untrue that a majority of people break the law regarding speed limits – because only 2/3 of the adult population even hold a driving licence (and I am sure far from all of those drive regularly).  So we are only talking about the habits of a particular subset of the population.

     

    If 100% of the bank-robbing community break the law by robbing banks, does that mean robbing banks should be legal?

     

    The fallacy in the argument is the assumption that the ‘driving community’ is the only relevant population, that the speed limit is of no concern to anyone else.  That is evidently false, so its a flawed argument.

     

    There’s a park near me where a path has been worn in the grass at a point where it’s quite obvious the tarmaced path takes a roundabout route that nobody wants to use.

     

      In that case, the fact that everyone walking through the park disobeys the ‘rules’ is a sign that the path should have taken a different route in the first place.  But in that case ‘people walking through the park’ is the the only group of people affected, and the only relevant population.  That’s not true when it comes to speeding motorists.

     

    Also that 85% figure in the article is the same thing that American poster came out with, and as far as I can tell its just an abitrary figure American petrol-heads made up a long time ago.  Yet it gets quoted as if it’s some scientifically-determined precise figure.

     

    March 28, 2019 at 10:18 am #938259
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    LastBoyScout

    I have to say that I don’t

    I have to say that I don’t disagree with him in principle – regular re-assessment of law is right and proper and, if found to be genuinely incorrect, should have the capacity to be amended.

    Speed limits on roads are set according to a fairly well-established set of guidelines/parameters, which suggests that motorists speeding along a certain stretch of road are missing a possible hazard at some point.

    But that’s not to say the original assessment was correct, or the hazard has since been removed and the speed limit not updated, which is quite a lengthy procedure.

    March 28, 2019 at 9:28 am #938257
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    hawkinspeter
    wycombewheeler wrote:
    statement 1 from drivers

    If a law is broken by a majority of people the law should be changed to reflect reality

    statement 2 from drivers

    all cyclists go through red lights

    therefore red lights should no longer apply to cyclists, simple.

    I should make it clear that I asagree with none of the above statements, but anyone who agrees with the first two, should logically come to the conclusion the 3rd is also correct.

    I happen to agree with statement 1, but not statement 2, yet I’d happily agree with the 3rd (though maybe treat red lights as give-way signs for cyclists).

    Certainly, I think we should have a turn-left-on-red law for cyclists (and if that works, maybe allow motorists to do the same) similar to the U.S. system. I remember reading something about them trialling it in France as well.

    I’d be a fan of relaxing one-way restrictions for cyclists too.

    March 28, 2019 at 9:08 am #938255
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    Simon E
    wycombewheeler wrote:
    statement 1 from drivers

    If a law is broken by a majority of people the law should be changed to reflect reality

    statement 2 from drivers

    all cyclists go through red lights

    therefore red lights should no longer apply to cyclists, simple.

    Using this principle cyclists should legally be allowed to

    • ride on the pavement
    • ride in pedestrianised town centres
    • ride the wrong way along one way streets
    • travel without lights at night…

    Can we also argue that we should not be obliged to pay “Road Tax”? Plenty of drivers claim we don’t. That alone would save me £155 a year. 🙂

    March 28, 2019 at 8:45 am #938253
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    brooksby
    wycombewheeler wrote:
    statement 1 from drivers

    If a law is broken by a majority of people the law should be changed to reflect reality

    statement 2 from drivers

    all cyclists go through red lights

    therefore red lights should no longer apply to cyclists, simple.

    I should make it clear that I asagree with none of the above statements, but anyone who agrees with the first two, should logically come to the conclusion the 3rd is also correct.

    Excellent deduction! – laugh laugh 

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