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UK Police state helmet cam footage is not admissable nor can be used as evidence in court

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  • October 6, 2014 at 2:15 am #22515
    Sidi 700c

    Pathological liars will tell you anything.

    So, if i see a murder and its on my helmet camera then you are not going to want to have it are you?

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  • October 6, 2014 at 4:08 pm #816939
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    notfastenough

    stumps wrote:I think the

    stumps wrote:
    I think the confusion here is that when someone captures an incident on a helmet cam or similar they download it and hand it over to the Police. This leaves it open to the defence saying it has been altered / edited from the original.

    If you hand over the helmet cam or body cam etc to the Police they can get it downloaded straight from the machine and it becomes an exhibit.

    I wondered about this, because years ago I worked on a design for a system that would archive emails for years. It burned them to DVDs in a massive jukebox (how quaint!), and one of the selling points was the ‘non-repuidation’ (tamper-proof) offered by the use of write-once media, which was apparely required in order to be admissable in court in the case of employee disputes etc. Fast-forward to today and it seems (at least from the media etc) that footage of crime is generally accepted as being what it purports to be.

    October 6, 2014 at 1:30 pm #816937
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    MaxP

    Well I am I Birmingham and
    Well I am I Birmingham and these people aren’t that bright. I think the potholes are caused by there knuckles hitting the floor :))

    October 6, 2014 at 1:16 pm #816935
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    Stumps

    If a truck or bus has it
    If a truck or bus has it fitted the Police can attend the vehicles base and it can be downloaded straight from the hard drive onto a usb device or disc and it becomes an exhibit as mentioned. It also shows continuity between the hard drive and coming into Police hands so there are no grey areas.

    The downloaded info placed onto a usb and handed over to the Police by a member of the public may never be questioned but sometimes it is and thats when it can be thrown out as evidence.
    I cant comment on other forces but where i work we have the facility so that the images caught on a head cam etc can be burnt directly onto a disc to be used as an exhibit.

    October 6, 2014 at 12:48 pm #816933
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    oozaveared

    I think it’s a quote out of
    I think it’s a quote out of context. The missing part is the word “automatically”. Police road cameras and CCTV are designed to provide admissable evidence. Time date, location, speed, and the angles are known. On helmet cams it isn’t. So It’s only useful for some evidential purposes.

    So a simple helmet camera piece of footage showing a crime in plain view with no complications (someone running down a pedestrian on a zebra crossing. An oncoming vehicle on the wrong side of the road or a motorist clearly using a mobile phone such that you see the vehicle, face and number plate as well as the phone in hand and at the ear) would definitely be admissable.

    However a front facing camera in most cases couldn’t be used as evidence of a close pass because the angle distorts the distances, enough anyway for a lawyer to dispute its accuracy.

    Evidence is evidence. But if it isn’t really evidence that stands up in court it isn’t evidence. Some helmet cam footage of some things is evidence and some footage of other things isn’t worth a bean.

    Hope that helps.

    October 6, 2014 at 11:08 am #816931
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    MaxP

    So they have to bring the
    So they have to bring the whole cam to the police station!? So how does this work with trucks and buses that have there cams built in.

    From my experience, I just took a usb device that I copied the footage on to the police station. They copied the file and i got my usb back. The video was used in court and the case was successful.

    October 6, 2014 at 10:55 am #816929
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    jacknorell

    The OP statement is
    The OP statement is incorrect. As Stumps has pointed out. Why does this myth resurface so often?

    Officers fobbing people off with this, possibly refusing to take a complaint at the same time?

    October 6, 2014 at 9:36 am #816927
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    steviewevie

    Source? Sounds like a quote
    Source? Sounds like a quote has been taken out of context.

    October 6, 2014 at 8:50 am #816925
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    notfastenough

    We had a personal safety
    We had a personal safety presentation at work recently from the local force. I asked specifically and they confirmed that they would be (and have been) in a position to charge based on helmetcam footage.

    October 6, 2014 at 8:36 am #816923
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    Stumps

    I think the confusion here is
    I think the confusion here is that when someone captures an incident on a helmet cam or similar they download it and hand it over to the Police. This leaves it open to the defence saying it has been altered / edited from the original.

    If you hand over the helmet cam or body cam etc to the Police they can get it downloaded straight from the machine and it becomes an exhibit.

    October 6, 2014 at 8:23 am #816921
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    MaxP

    Since when!?
    Who told you
    Since when!?

    Who told you this?

    October 6, 2014 at 7:53 am #816919
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    Al__S

    There’s been successful
    There’s been successful prosecutions based primarily on helmet cam footage.

    October 6, 2014 at 7:16 am #816917
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    Stumps

    Sidi 700c – can you please
    Sidi 700c – can you please show us where you got this piece of information from ?

    We use cctv, helmet cam, body cam and in car cctv all the time.

    October 6, 2014 at 6:56 am #816915
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    CXR94Di2

    Except when idiots post their
    Except when idiots post their high speed antics from their supercars or sports bike. , then the police will quite happily use it. Whether it’s just used to strong arm the offender into a confession or directly used as evidence it would need to be checked out.

    October 6, 2014 at 4:39 am #816913
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    Gkam84

    If you and the police have
    If you and the police have the only copies of the video it should be.

    As soon as it is in the public domain, like youtube, it becomes pretty useless to the police

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