Vuelta – Stage 10

i certainly think the lower
i certainly think the lower prices have made the vuelta a bit more tactical. if you can reasonably have seven nailed-down scorers and there’s only two transfers a stage, who do you swap in? who goes?

of *course* there was lots of good scores today, after three days of mountains culminating in a big summit finish where all the favourites finshed near the front. lots of people have lots of good climbers.

when it goes ITT – flat – MM – SF at the end of the week, it’s not going to be as easy, is it?

Gkam84 wrote:ONE stage winner

Gkam84 wrote:

ONE stage winner today, but its easy to see that the adjustment in riders values has had one simple effect. Everyone is picking the same team. Check out the scores when the stage finished updating, you’ll see what I mean

fifteen people scored equal first on one stage of the tour de france. your point?

I swapped Pinot and Majka
I swapped Pinot and Majka last night for Moreno and Konig. If I hadn’t, I would have won the stage :”( :”(
15= though so getting closer.

Just brought in Martin and Cancellara for tomorrow. Going to keep a team for the next lot of mountains and see if I can hit the jackpot then.

chrisdstripes wrote:Gkam84

chrisdstripes wrote:

Gkam84 wrote:

I think the experiment with value’s hasn’t worked.

Time to put them back to TdF way. Else everyone is going to have the same teams over and over again

I feel like TdF was the exception – this is what its been like with most tours, being able to pick most of the riders you want (resulting in a lot of similar teams). I thought the TdF was better in terms of the values of the top riders, but there weren’t enough cheap DS to balance it out. I’d rather everyone had 2 from Valverde/Nibali/Rodriguez, than 2 from Bono/Mederel/Fischer!!
Dave’s idea to just amend the budget per race depending on the values of the registered riders seems like a pretty good solution.

The Giro seemed spot on, didn’t it?

chrisdstripes is right, the problem with the values in the Tour wasn’t the top end, but the bottom end – everyone was stuck with the same low-value guys.

And in any case, I’ve been doing a bang up job of picking a ‘non-optimal’ squad of riders in this competition…

Gkam84 wrote:The high prices

Gkam84 wrote:

The high prices forced people to make choices of which riders to pick though. With the low values, it means you can almost pick at will and everyone can fit in. 8>

I’m not arguing against the fact that it means that you can pick who you want and have a very strong team, I’m just saying that’s a different issue from everyone picking the same riders.

Lowering prices clearly leads to higher scores, nobody will argue against that. It also clearly means players have greater choice in their team selection and can pick more good riders.

That though doesn’t necessarily lead to everyone picking the same team. What leads to that is the game itself, the fact that some riders are better than others, that some have a much higher chance of scoring and scoring highly. Because the aim of the game is to pick these riders people will pick them whatever the budget restrictions.

Gkam84 wrote:ONE stage winner

Gkam84 wrote:

ONE stage winner today, but its easy to see that the adjustment in riders values has had one simple effect. Everyone is picking the same team. Check out the scores when the stage finished updating, you’ll see what I mean

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Post hoc ergo propter hoc

”after this, therefore because of this”

Whatever happens with pricing, teams always end up the same because today, after three consecutive days in the mountains, it was clear who the strongest riders were.

The best riders, Nibali, Valverde, Rodriguez were clearly good picks. I choose to go for two of those three and spread my credits around the secondary options like Rocha, Pozzovivo, Moreno and Horner as well riders like Basso and Konig.

Despite the depth of the field, the strongest team is still largely evident to most players. That’s why everyone is picking the same riders.

Everyone said that the restricted budgets of the Tour caused everyone to pick the same riders, now the tables are reversed and we still have the same problems. Its not the values that cause the problems, its just the nature of cycling and the game.

218 points but only 105th on
218 points but only 105th on the stage. Up to 73rd overall but the gaps are opening up, currently 260 points behind the leader. Think my aim is now to secure a top 50 place overall if I can and try and win the Forum Scorum Vuelta.