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intermediate sprints scoring for TdF

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  • June 25, 2011 at 1:30 pm #13700
    nickobec

    The Rules state “Stage PC: Points awarded for points accrued in the points classification from the day’s stage. Does not include stage finish points.”

    From 2011 TdF entry in wikipedia “In 2011, flat stages will have just one intermediate sprint, but it will be worth 20 points to the first rider across the line, and the first 15 will score points. The intention is to have green jersey favourites needing to sprint twice during the day to score well.”

    So if I read those two right, winning the intermediate sprint is worth 20 points the same as winning the stage.

    Would like to know if my logic is correct, as it will change my team composition dramatically for the first week.

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  • July 2, 2011 at 11:19 am #646613
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    thefatcyclist

    I think THR will play a game
    I think THR will play a game and use the lead out train to erode points for the intermediate sprints. So they will use Goss and Renshaw etc to lessen the effects of Hushovd, Boonen, Petacchi, so Cavendish can concentrate on winning the stages and not lose to many oints in the green jersey classement.

    June 30, 2011 at 4:51 pm #646611
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    bsmithcycle

    oh, invested in a good
    oh, invested in a good climber :”(

    June 28, 2011 at 7:25 am #646609
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    dave atkinson

    robfarrington wrote:Means

    robfarrington wrote:
    Means very few mountain points available to anyone until stage 8

    c’est le parcours, c’est la vie 🙂

    June 27, 2011 at 11:21 pm #646607
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    robfarrington

    Means very few mountain
    Means very few mountain points available to anyone until stage 8

    June 26, 2011 at 9:42 am #646605
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    nickobec

    duplicate post
    duplicate post

    June 26, 2011 at 9:11 am #646603
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    arsene

    ok thanks. I think thats a
    ok thanks. I think thats a good solution. It pays off to invest in breakaway riders but the points are not oversized.

    June 26, 2011 at 7:51 am #646601
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    dave atkinson

    summit stage finishes don’t
    summit stage finishes don’t get any KM points, so no change there. interesting news on the cat 1/2/3 climbs though. the rationale will be the same though: if six riders score, the points available will be 6,5,4,3,2,1. so that would appear to make it:

    HC: 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1
    Cat 1/2/3: 6,5,4,3,2,1
    Cat 4: 1

    get your breakaway boys in for the Cat 3s and 2s then 🙂

    June 25, 2011 at 11:07 pm #646599
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    nickobec

    dave_atkinson wrote:Mountains

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    Mountains in the tour: however many riders score over a col, that’s the maximum number of points available. So:

    HC: 10 points for 1st down to 1 point for 10th
    Cat 1: 8 points for 1st down to 1 point for 8th
    Cat 2: 6 points for 1st down to 1 point for 6th
    Cat 3: 4 points for 1st down to 1 point for 4th
    Cat 4: 3 points for 1st down to 1 point for 3rd

    assuming they haven’t changed the mountains scoring for 2011, which i don’t think they have.

    They have

    Previously in the mountains classification, any hors catégorie, first-category, or second-category climb awarded double points if it was the last of the day. In 2011, only the summit stage finishes will award double points, specifically stage 12 ending at Luz Ardiden, stage 14 at the Plateau de Beille, stage 18 at the Col du Galibier, and stage 19 at L’Alpe d’Huez.

    Previously the first eight riders across a first-category climb scored points, as well as the first six across a second-category and the first four across a third-category. Now the first six across the line for any of these climbs will score points. For fourth-category climbs, only the first rider will score points.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tour_de_France
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/charteau-unimpressed-by-new-2011-polka-dot-jersey-points-system

    June 25, 2011 at 9:50 pm #646597
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    Gkam84

    So in theory i rider could
    So in theory i rider could score 40 points and still be last in the GC?

    If they go away in a break, win the intermediate sprint, go over an HC climb, get most combative and then die a death and finish last in GC 👿

    This could put a big twist on some peoples teams

    June 25, 2011 at 9:36 pm #646595
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    dave atkinson

    Mountains in the tour:
    Mountains in the tour: however many riders score over a col, that’s the maximum number of points available. So:

    HC: 10 points for 1st down to 1 point for 10th
    Cat 1: 8 points for 1st down to 1 point for 8th
    Cat 2: 6 points for 1st down to 1 point for 6th
    Cat 3: 4 points for 1st down to 1 point for 4th
    Cat 4: 3 points for 1st down to 1 point for 3rd

    assuming they haven’t changed the mountains scoring for 2011, which i don’t think they have.

    Sprints will be top 10: 10 points for first down to 1 point for 10th

    So a fair amount of intermediate points available, good if you get a chap in the breakaway. especially if you pick the most combative rider 🙂

    I’ll add those descriptions to the points breakdown in the game.

    June 25, 2011 at 7:01 pm #646593
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    TERatcliffe26

    Think thats only for flat
    Think thats only for flat stages unsure about intermediate and mountain stages

    June 25, 2011 at 6:26 pm #646591
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    Gkam84

    Ah, i didn’t know it was for
    Ah, i didn’t know it was for the 1st 15, that means if Cav is really going to push for the Green this year, break aways aint going to get down the road cause HTC will just close it as soon as it starts

    So this could be a very boring tour until the mountains hit 😕

    June 25, 2011 at 6:20 pm #646589
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    TERatcliffe26

    yeh it defo wont be 20, as
    yeh it defo wont be 20, as the HC cat climbs that had 15 points awarded in the giro equated to 6,5,4,3,2,1 points for the fantasy scores if i remember correctly.

    However as its the first 15 that score points maybe dave will do it 15 down to 1 point?

    As with other sprints/climbs it would been the first 3 for the sprint normally and for climbs up to 6 scoring depending on the category, however with this being 15 people scoring it does make it slightly more interesting as to how points will be awarded and potentially more potent to teams needing to pick riders that may be in a break away

    June 25, 2011 at 4:53 pm #646587
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    Gkam84

    Stage PC: Points awarded for
    Stage PC: Points awarded for points accrued in the points classification from the day’s stage. Does not include stage finish points.

    I would think it would be like the rest 5,4,3,2,1

    For the top 5 riders scoring points on a stage excluding the finish

    So if Cav to the intermediate sprint with Hushvod 2nd, then Pettachi, Swift and Farrar

    The points would be

    Cav 5
    Hushvod 4
    Pettachi 3
    Swift 2
    Farrar 1

    But thats just how i see it, i’d wait for Dave to give you the answer 😀

    June 25, 2011 at 2:38 pm #646585
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    arsene

    How does the game score then?
    How does the game score then?

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