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A performance similar to Campag's top-level groupsets, just a touch heavier and a lot more affordable
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Campagnolo Chorus
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Campagnolo Chorus offers a very high level of performance at what is, compared with the Italian brand's top tier groupsets, a pretty reasonable price.

Chorus is the third-level groupset from Campag, sitting below Super Record and Record and their electronic EPS incarnations. Chorus is available with electronic shifting too, although we have the mechanical version here. Like Super Record, Record, and the cheaper Athena groupset, Chorus is 11-speed.

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Campagnolo likes to see Chorus as roughly equivalent to Shimano's top level Dura-Ace groupset, with Super Record and Record a higher quality than anything else out there, although Shimano would doubtless disagree with that assessment.

A complete groupset is priced from £1,091.99, although the exact price will vary according to the sprockets and bottom bracket that you use.

We'll take a look at each of the components individually.

Ergopower controls 9/10

£217.99, 350g

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Campagnolo Chorus groupset - Ergopower controls.jpg

As is the case across the board with Campagnolo, the Chorus Ergopower controls follow the principle of 'one lever-one action'. You have a carbon fibre brake lever, then shifting is handled by a finger-operated lever that sits behind it, and a thumb lever that comes out at a right angle to the composite shifter body.

This thumb lever can occasionally be difficult to operate from the drops, especially if you are riding out of the saddle in a sprint or if you have small hands.

Campag's Ultra-Shift internal mechanism allows you to shift up the cassette a maximum of three sprockets with one lever throw, and down the cassette a maximum of five sprockets at a time. This can be really useful when you crest a steep hill, for example, and you want to find a bigger gear quickly, or when you shoot down into a dip fast and need to get into a much easier gear to get out the other side. Next-level-down Athena isn't as generous in its shifting options, allowing you to move the chain up the cassette a maximum of three sprockets with one lever throw and in the opposite direction just one sprocket at a time.

Changing gear is always very definite; you feel and hear a click when you push the lever so you're never in any doubt whether you've pushed far enough.

The controls use what Campag calls Vari-Cushion hoods, which are made from a natural silicone material in various thicknesses. It's extremely comfortable and very grippy, even when it's wet.

The front shift lever now operates with two clicks to downshift from the large chainring to the small one, while a third click moves the front mech further inboard when you want to use the largest sprockets. Three clicks are needed for upshifting.

Campag shifters do not offer reach adjustment for smaller hands, although you'd need to have extremely small hands to need this. If you have really large hands you can fit a shim to between the handlebar and the shifter body to move the levers further out although, again, you'd need to have hands of a really unusual size to need this.

Rear derailleur 9/10

£191.99, 183g

Sarto Asola - rear wheel

Sarto Asola - rear wheel

The Chorus rear mech is designed the same as Super Record and Record models, the only differences being in the materials used. You get a carbon fibre cage and front plate to keep the weight low, with the body made from thermopolymer infused with carbon powder.

Campag revamped the rear derailleur in 2014, reshaping the parallelogram mechanism and changing the angle at which it moves relative to the cassette. These changes are designed to keep the chain closer to the cassette for better power transmission, improved traction, and greater durability.

The shifting has been perfect throughout our review period, quick and accurate, and there's barely any difference in feel whether you're changing at the bottom of the cassette or at the top.

Fine-tuning the indexing is simple, even in big winter gloves, via an easy-to-grab barrel adjuster at the back.

Front derailleur 9/10

£71.99, 76g

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Campagnolo Chorus groupset - drivetrain.jpg

The Chorus front derailleur is made from aluminium, and unlike the Super Record and Record models, it has no carbon fibre parts, if that's an issue for you. It's virtually the same weight, though, and it operates equally well. Whether shifting up or down, it does its job quickly and with the minimum of fuss. It's very quiet too.

The front derailleur has a capacity (the difference in the number of teeth between the large and small chainrings) of 16, and will work with chainrings between 34 and 56 teeth, so that should cover pretty much everyone.

Campag does offer a chain security device (CSD, 15g, £31.99) to help keep the chain from dropping off the inner chainring. It's compatible with all of Campag's braze-on front derailleurs.

Chainset 9/10

£321.99, 683g

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Campagnolo Chorus groupset - crank.jpg

Like Shimano, Campagnolo now uses a four-arm spider (don't ask us why they're not called spider legs; that would make much more sense) with uneven spacing for its higher end groupsets. The idea is that the arms are positioned to transfer power as best they can – taking the positions in the pedal stroke where we tend to apply most power into account – while keeping the weight down. The carbon fibre cranks and spider arms are hollow to reduce weight too.

The chainset comes in 53/39-tooth, 52/36t and 50/34t options, and it's simple to swap chainring sizes because they all use the same bolt circle diameters (BCD): 145mm for the outer chainrings, 112mm for the inner chainrings. Those chainrings have an anodised finish to add durability, and 170, 172.5 and 175mm crank lengths are available.

The axle is made to Campag's Ultra-Torque design which is used for both Super Record and Record as well. Half of the axle is attached to each crank, the teeth on the ends meshing together in the centre of the bottom bracket shell with a single oversized bolt holding them in place.

It's a great design: light and stiff, and the changes are very quick, even when making the big jump from the smaller 34t chainring to the larger 50t one in a compact system.

It's also very neat looking and is easy to remove and replace during maintenance.

The chainset requires Ultra-Torque bottom bracket cups which are available in various standards including BB30 and BB386.

Sprockets 8/10

£103.99-£126.99, 230g

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Campagnolo Chorus groupset - cassette.jpg

Campagnolo doesn't offer the same cassette range as either Shimano or SRAM, the largest spread being 11-29t, so you can't get ultra-small gears, but that should be plenty for most people on most gradients. With a 34t chainring, a 29t sprocket, and 700x25mm tyres, you're looking at a gear of 30.8in.

All of the sprockets are steel, whereas some are titanium if you go for a Record or Super Record groupset. This adds a few grams to the weight, but not much. A nickel-chrome surface treatment is designed to add durability, and we've certainly not experienced any worries in that department.

The shifting is quick in both directions, even when you're maxing out your wattage.

Brakes 8/10

£82.99, 302g

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Campagnolo Chorus groupset - rear brake.jpg

Campagnolo uses skeleton brake arms to keep the weight down. The front brake is dual pivot while at the rear you have the choice of either dual pivot or single pivot (we've been using dual pivot).

The rationale behind speccing a less powerful single pivot brake is that it'll stop the rear wheel from swerving as a result of the back end of the bike lightening when you brake hard. It also saves a few grams.

Given the choice, though, we'd definitely go for dual pivot because of the increased power on offer. You never know when it'll come in handy.

The brakes don't provide quite the same level of bite as Shimano equivalents but they're still very good whether you're scrubbing off a bit of excess speed or needing to stop in a hurry.

As is the case across the Campagnolo range, the quick release for applying more clearance when you want to remove the wheel is located at the Ergopower control rather than on the brake calliper.

Campagnolo doesn't offer any disc brakes yet, although they're sure to arrive soon. Whether they'll be added to the Chorus groupset or be confined to Super Record and perhaps Record, we have no idea.

Chain 8/10

£37.99, 2.24g per link

Sarto Asola - detail

Sarto Asola - detail

The 5.5mm wide chain uses steel links with a nickel/PTFE anti-friction treatment. It's a little heavier than the Record/Super Record chain, but it performs equally well.

One peculiarity of the Campag system is that once you have removed the tip of the Ultra-Link pin after fitting, you need to deform the end to keep it in place. It's a simple enough job but if you don't fancy doing it you can use a quick link from KMC, for instance.

Overall

The biggest difference you'll notice between a Campagnolo groupset and one from either Shimano or SRAM is the shifting, and that comes down to personal preference: some people prefer one, other people prefer another. If Campag's shift system suits you, Chorus is a great way to get it.

This groupset performs as well as either Super Record or Record, it's just a little heavier and a lot cheaper. Whereas a complete Chorus groupset will cost you from £1,091.99 at RRP, a mechanical Record groupset is £1,576.99 and mechanical Super Record starts at over £2,000.

Check out our complete guide to Campagnolo’s 2016 road bike groupsets here

Chorus might not have quite the prestige of the top two tiers but it certainly benefits from technology that has trickled down from the higher level groupsets. The derailleurs, for example, are essentially the same designs but with a little more aluminium and a little less carbon fibre. If you want top level performance at a more reasonable price point, this could be the groupset for you.

Verdict

A performance similar to Campag's top-level groupsets, just a touch heavier and a lot more affordable

road.cc test report

Make and model: Campagnolo Chorus

Size tested: 50/34 chainset, 11-29 cassette

Tell us what the product is for, and who it's aimed at. What do the manufacturers say about it? How does that compare to your own feelings about it?

Campagnolo says: "The Campagnolo Chorus drivetrain represents the perfect solution for the sophisticated cyclist searching for Super Record performance at a more competitive price.

"Fitting a Campagnolo drivetrain to their bike has always been the ambition of many keen cyclists. Introduction of the new mechanical groupsets and the resulting incredible technical-performance and aesthetic innovation only serve to increase this desire.

"The new Chorus groupset is the optimum choice for those wanting the best results that a mechanical groupset can offer, combined with appeal and Italian design at the best price possible."

Campag also says: "The Chorus groupset family, whether you choose electronic or mechanic transmission, has extreme performance at the core of its DNA and will ensure that the technological advantage it represents is constant no matter how many kilometres you ride. World Tour performance without the need of a professional team's budget, the Campagnolo Chorus groupset is perhaps the first step towards pedalling like the pros.

"Sophisticated materials, extreme precision, Italian design and Campagnolo authenticity make this groupset family a fantastic choice towards building up a true racing machine."

Rate the product for quality of construction:
 
9/10
Rate the product for performance:
 
9/10
Rate the product for durability:
 
8/10
Rate the product for weight (if applicable)
 
8/10
Rate the product for comfort (if applicable)
 
9/10

The Ergopower controls are super-comfortable when your hands are resting on the hoods.

Rate the product for value:
 
8/10

Campag reckons that Chorus is roughly the equivalent of Shimano Dura-Ace, with Record and Super Record in a class of their own. If you agree, Chorus looks like excellent value for money.

We'd say that Chorus provides the performance of Super Record and Record, but with a slight weight penalty. Compared to the amount of money you save over the higher level groupsets, Chorus is very good value.

Tell us how the product performed overall when used for its designed purpose

It performs very well indeed. The performance is on a par with Super Record and Record, it's just that Chorus is made from different materials in certain areas, so it's a little heavier.

Tell us what you particularly liked about the product

You don't often want to shift several gears at a time, but the ability to do so very quickly can occasionally be really valuable. Riding on the hoods is extremely comfortable, and the stealthy looks help too.

Tell us what you particularly disliked about the product

Reaching up to the thumb lever when you're riding on the drops can be difficult, especially if you're out of the saddle.

Did you enjoy using the product? Yes

Would you consider buying the product? Yes

Would you recommend the product to a friend? Yes

Use this box to explain your score

In terms of performance, Chorus warrants a 9. In terms of value, I'd say it's an 8. The overall mark should be an 8 or a 9, and I'm going with 9 because it's just such a pleasure to use. It works beautifully.

Overall rating: 9/10

About the tester

Age: 43  Height: 190cm  Weight: 75kg

I usually ride:   My best bike is:

I've been riding for: Over 20 years  I ride: Most days  I would class myself as: Expert

I regularly do the following types of riding: commuting, club rides, sportives, general fitness riding

Mat has worked for loads of bike magazines over 20+ years, and been editor of 220 Triathlon and Cycling Plus. He's been road.cc technical editor for eight years, testing bikes, fettling the latest kit, and trying out the most up-to-the-minute clothing. We send him off around the world to get all the news from launches and shows too. He has won his category in Ironman UK 70.3 and finished on the podium in both marathons he has run. Mat is a Cambridge graduate who did a post-grad in magazine journalism, and he is a past winner of the Cycling Media Award for Specialist Online Writer.

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sgergely [3 posts] 1 year ago
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So it'b basically equivalent with Shimano 105 groupset.

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bendertherobot [1429 posts] 1 year ago
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sgergely wrote:

So it'b basically equivalent with Shimano 105 groupset.

Hardly, on the weight quoted it's equivalent to SRAM Red  3

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Veloism [71 posts] 1 year ago
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bendertherobot wrote:
sgergely wrote:

So it'b basically equivalent with Shimano 105 groupset.

Hardly, on the weight quoted it's equivalent to SRAM Red  3

Yep, and not 105 - which is a HUGE plus point.

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boRed [40 posts] 1 year ago
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Lightweight review... the total weight given misses out the front mech and chain.

Total weight with front mech and 114 link chain but no cables is 2,079g.

That's closer in weight to Dura-Ace than Ultegra and also lighter than SRAM Force - especially if a threaded  bottom bracket is used.

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alexb [162 posts] 1 year ago
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Shame the styling is so "Meh". Campagnolo used to be so drop dead gorgeous to look at.

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aladdin pain [83 posts] 1 year ago
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As an inveterate fantasist I'm capable of wishing almost any excellent scenario was going a little better, but I've been on this groupset for much of the past year and it lacks nothing.  

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Leodis [423 posts] 1 year ago
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I love Campag, far smoother and hassle free than anything else on the market in the price ranges.  Such a shame they are sluggish entering the hydr disc brake market, though judging by the EPS prices I can imagine they will be silly prices.

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don simon [993 posts] 1 year ago
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Bloody hell! You can buy a bike car for that!!!

I've always been a Campag kind of guy, not just for the operation but for the aesthetic.

Unfortunately that's gopping...

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stuartraw [17 posts] 1 year ago
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This thumb lever can occasionally be difficult to operate from the drops, especially if you are riding out of the saddle in a sprint..

 

Surely, you'd avoid changing gear if you were out of the saddle and sprinting?

Campag fail safe to encourage you to ride more smoothly!

 

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bendertherobot [1429 posts] 1 year ago
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5-O wrote:

Lightweight review... the total weight given misses out the front mech and chain.

Total weight with front mech and 114 link chain but no cables is 2,079g.

That's closer in weight to Dura-Ace than Ultegra and also lighter than SRAM Force - especially if a threaded  bottom bracket is used.

 

That was my point, hence the winky. It's pretty poor not to get the right weight. I mean, sub 2000g is the preserve of the few. As soon as you write it you should be going, hang on........

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reippuert [67 posts] 1 year ago
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sgergely wrote:

So it'b basically equivalent with Shimano 105 groupset.

Kind of  - but way lighter that Ultegra - the weight is in DureAce teritory, just more durable  with better ergonomics. Performance is just like Super Record.

I've owned 6 Chorus groups over the years - they start to wear out after 8-9 years with minimum maintenace (rode my 98 on my primary bike until 2006). I bougth the 2015 Revolution last summer to replace my 10 speed 1.gen Ultra -torque from late 2006. 

Everything still works but i'd need to buy new chainrings and and a new rightside bearing. Items like sprockets, chain, chainrings, brake rubber and bearings last twice as long as anything made by SRAM and Shimano + everything can be replaced, taken appart for servcie (and acquired if you have a real Campy service center).

- i even kept the brakes, 1.gen Chorus Skeletons are identical to todays Record with ball bearings instead of bushings  - the only difference is that they are in silver (2007 Skeleton Records are identical to 2016 Super Records). Modulation is excelent and they feel very confident on high speed alpine decents.

The 2015 revolution groupsets (Chorsu/Record/SR) are a huge leap forward in regards to mechanical shifting and i do think that they are better performing than mechanical DureAce and Red.

My only gripe is that Campy doesnt provide a +29t cog and an medium lenght deraillure for Chorus. However Athena which doesnt perform nearly as well exists  as a tripple for even lower gears. Athena is just not nearly as nice made or performs as well as Chorus and the two more expensive revolution 2015 groupsets.

My current favorite groupset is acutally a 1988 1.gen Athena groupset with Simplex retrofriction down tube levers - only devriation is modern 10 speed chainrings, 10 speed chain and casette. Shifting is silent, precise and super fast - and the brakes with original 88 rubber are the the the D500 brakes with the best modulation i have ever tried - they performed fantasticly down Vesuvio and durring the  l'Eroica Gialoe in october - though in order to brake hard you will need lots of power compared to modern rimbrakes. They would probly perform even better with moderd brake levers. The only dowside is that those old square brake bloks are so soft that they wont last long and that the D500 calipers weights in at +425g each - almost 3 times a modern Campy skeleton brake)

http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=10c754eb-6eca-4f35-a557-b400d9a09f5e&Enum=117

 

(I had the groupset back in 88/90 on my 531c frame and decied to find it NOS Athena 1988 for my l'Eroica build - and i havent had any regrets so far. The simpler Athena 88 ouperforms the more advanced Chorus, Croce d'Aaune and C-Record groupsets)

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Rapha Nadal [522 posts] 1 year ago
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I've run Campag for years, probably 15 +, and it's been faultless.  I even had an affair with a Dura Ace g/set once which I soon got rid of.  However, the thing that annoys me with Campoag is the lack of spares available and, when you can find them, the bloody cost of them,.  Shimano really does have the upper hand in that respect!

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therealsmallboy [169 posts] 1 year ago
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Sorry in advance-this is an essay:

 

I upgraded from Athena carbon to Chorus last year with the 2015 groupset. Merlin Cycles had the full group with 36/52 and 11-27 range for a few pence under £800. A cracking deal considering the spec. I have an Ultegra/Dura-Ace mix on another bike and love that, so feel I can give an honest review if anybody wants one.

 

In the flesh it looks much nicer than the above photos show, the shine on the carbon has a very classy appeal to it. It's certainly not tacky-looking. It reminds me of the high-end supercar carbon bodywork.

 

Fitting was a bit fiddly, it's not like setting up Shimano kit which is clearly designed to be installed by anybody with a bit of mechanical know-how. The shifters are quite fiddly to get tightened up because the bolt is recessed under the hoods and they are hard to fold back because the downshifter is in the way. Setting the indexing up on the rear mech is also a bit of a ball-ache, Campag have changed the drop and rise angle on the mech cage so it has none-linear movement up and down the block. However, after some patient setting up and bedding in it is absolutely faultless. There is a very good vid on YouTube for installing the whole groupset.

 

I'm using dual-pivot brakes on carbon rims and they are extremely powerful (although the BBB Carbostop pads probably have something to do with that). They were relatively easy to set up. The Torx bolts are a bit annoying- Allen bolts would have been fine. Single-finger braking in the Peak District in the dry is no problem, with a bit more effort required in the wet.

 

In my opinion shifting cannot be compared directly with Shimano. The effort and feel of the shifts is completely different and requires different movement at the lever and weight on the shifter. Shimano is smooth and buttery with little effort required, but I find myself mis-shifting over a few gears sometimes. I've also had a few chain-offs with it, but nothing serious. The Chorus shifting requires a fairly hard click on the lever, which is followed by a definite 'ker-clack' from the mech and a clunk as it moves into the gear. I like it, but it is a real mechanical process and I understand why it polarises people. I've never miss-shifted with Campag and never had the chain come off. Ever. So mechanically, it probably is a superior system.

 

Another thing worth mentioning is the power-transfer of those cranks and bottom bracket design. There are quite a few resources on the net showing the power-loss through mechanical inefficiency at the crank/BB and most seem to show that Campag Ultra-torque kit is very efficient. Definitely worth thinking about if considering what to buy. When riding hard, out of the saddle up a steep hill, you can't feel any flexing or loss of power. The start of a hill climb when you take those first few hard stamps at the pedals just send you flying forwards. Same goes for sprinting flat-out.

 

I'd give both my Dura-Ace/Ultegra group and this Chorus group 9/10, but for different reasons. It's very similar in many ways yet also very different. I don't pigeon-hole myself in the Shimano or Campag camps and try to appreciate the strengths of each and honestly can't really seperate them when comparing everything. If you like Campag though, this group is ace and well worth the money if you can find it on offer.

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derek n clive [253 posts] 1 year ago
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I've got shiny Athena on a steel classic, black Athena on the winter bike, pre 2015 Super Record and Record EPS on another two bikes and I've got this version of Chorus about to replace pre 2015 Record on another bike - not because the older Record is inferior, I just want try this new model - because I love Campagnolo shifting! Haters of the new chainset need to see one in the flesh (carbon). I think the older chainsets are lovely things but the new version is a thing of beauty - photos don't do the cranks justice. It's a masterpiece.

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Rapha Nadal [522 posts] 1 year ago
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therealsmallboy wrote:

I've also had a few chain-offs with it, but nothing serious.

I've never miss-shifted with Campag and never had the chain come off. Ever.

 

So, which one is it? 

Also, re fitting the shifters; if you have a long torx key, you can slide it in from the front of the shifter, under the hood & into the bolt.  Saves having to roll back the hoods for those tiny adjustments that are required when fitting.  it was somewhat of a God send when my longer torx key arrived in the post!!

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therealsmallboy [169 posts] 1 year ago
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I've had a few chain-offs with the Ultegra/Dura-Ace bike. Never with Campag.

 

And cheers for that advice, I'll look at getting one of those.

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fukawitribe [1928 posts] 1 year ago
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reippuert wrote:
sgergely wrote:

So it'b basically equivalent with Shimano 105 groupset.

Kind of  - but way lighter that Ultegra - the weight is in DureAce teritory

As pointed out by others, the review weight is miles off. Chorus is about 175g lighter than Ultegra and ~120g heavier than Dura Ace in 2015 spec, so closer to Dura Ace but hardly 'way lighter' than Ultegra. Nowhere near SRAM Red though.

reippuert wrote:

My only gripe is that Campy doesnt provide a +29t cog and an medium lenght deraillure for Chorus.

Campagnolo do quote the short cage 11s RD as having a 33T capacity (not sure how that plays out in the real world mind) and the long cage with a 39T (?!) - so you could possibly go with a SRAM or Shimano wide(r) range 11s cassette on the short cage, at least in theory. Save a bob or two (modulo freehub cost)

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derek n clive [253 posts] 1 year ago
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fukawitribe wrote:

Campagnolo do quote the short cage 11s RD as having a 33T capacity (not sure how that plays out in the real world mind) and the long cage with a 39T (?!) - so you could possibly go with a SRAM or Shimano wide(r) range 11s cassette on the short cage, at least in theory. Save a bob or two (modulo freehub cost)

 

Afaik, post 2009 (or was it 2010?) Campagnolo only make one size of rear mech for Chorus/R/SR. The short, medium and long versions were phased out for 11-speed until they released an Athena triple touring option a few years back. C/R/SR only go up to 29t but I’ve read about bodges to get higher spec.

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fukawitribe [1928 posts] 1 year ago
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Bigringrider wrote:
fukawitribe wrote:

Campagnolo do quote the short cage 11s RD as having a 33T capacity (not sure how that plays out in the real world mind) and the long cage with a 39T (?!) - so you could possibly go with a SRAM or Shimano wide(r) range 11s cassette on the short cage, at least in theory. Save a bob or two (modulo freehub cost)

 

Afaik, post 2009 (or was it 2010?) Campagnolo only make one size of rear mech for Chorus/R/SR. The short, medium and long versions were phased out for 11-speed until they released an Athena triple touring option a few years back. C/R/SR only go up to 29t but I’ve read about bodges to get higher spec.

 

I'm just going off the current Campagnolo tech docs - can't say i've seen an 11s long cage in the wild myself. Edit : oh, and the 29T limit isn't a hard limit on the existing short cage RDs for sure, no bodges needed AFAIK.

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hardgrit [47 posts] 1 year ago
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fukawitribe wrote:
Bigringrider wrote:
fukawitribe wrote:

Campagnolo do quote the short cage 11s RD as having a 33T capacity (not sure how that plays out in the real world mind) and the long cage with a 39T (?!) - so you could possibly go with a SRAM or Shimano wide(r) range 11s cassette on the short cage, at least in theory. Save a bob or two (modulo freehub cost)

 

Afaik, post 2009 (or was it 2010?) Campagnolo only make one size of rear mech for Chorus/R/SR. The short, medium and long versions were phased out for 11-speed until they released an Athena triple touring option a few years back. C/R/SR only go up to 29t but I’ve read about bodges to get higher spec.

 

I'm just going off the current Campagnolo tech docs - can't say i've seen an 11s long cage in the wild myself. Edit : oh, and the 29T limit isn't a hard limit on the existing short cage RDs for sure, no bodges needed AFAIK.

 

This is my campag chorus shifting a 32t shimano ultegra cassette.........

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FA7BU3cylY

 

 

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thesaladdays [120 posts] 1 year ago
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stuartraw wrote:

This thumb lever can occasionally be difficult to operate from the drops, especially if you are riding out of the saddle in a sprint..

 

Surely, you'd avoid changing gear if you were out of the saddle and sprinting?

Campag fail safe to encourage you to ride more smoothly!

 

Just had a look through the 2016 catalogue.

Any idea why only the non-EPS Super Record/Record/Chorus still use the older, higher thumb lever shifters, whilst everything else (including Athena and Veloce) have the new ones with a lower  thumb lever?  Seems a bit odd. 

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mrmo [2093 posts] 1 year ago
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thesaladdays wrote:
stuartraw wrote:

This thumb lever can occasionally be difficult to operate from the drops, especially if you are riding out of the saddle in a sprint..

 

Surely, you'd avoid changing gear if you were out of the saddle and sprinting?

Campag fail safe to encourage you to ride more smoothly!

 

Just had a look through the 2016 catalogue.

Any idea why only the non-EPS Super Record/Record/Chorus still use the older, higher thumb lever shifters, whilst everything else (including Athena and Veloce) have the new ones with a lower  thumb lever?  Seems a bit odd. 

 

I believe it is powershift v ultrashift, single shift v mulitple shifts. Basically availiable lever throw. 

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fukawitribe [1928 posts] 1 year ago
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hardgrit wrote:

This is my campag chorus shifting a 32t shimano ultegra cassette.........

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FA7BU3cylY

Love the detailing... nice.

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Rapha Nadal [522 posts] 1 year ago
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fukawitribe wrote:
hardgrit wrote:

This is my campag chorus shifting a 32t shimano ultegra cassette.........

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FA7BU3cylY

Love the detailing... nice.

Socks & sandals!  Are you German?

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hardgrit [47 posts] 1 year ago
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Rapha Nadal wrote:
fukawitribe wrote:
hardgrit wrote:

This is my campag chorus shifting a 32t shimano ultegra cassette.........

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FA7BU3cylY

Love the detailing... nice.

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Mayhem SWE [31 posts] 1 year ago
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thesaladdays wrote:

Any idea why only the non-EPS Super Record/Record/Chorus still use the older, higher thumb lever shifters, whilst everything else (including Athena and Veloce) have the new ones with a lower  thumb lever?

Because with a lower placement of the side lever you'd need a really long thumb to make any use of Ultra-Shift (the ability to shift more than a single cog further down the cassette in one operation) from up on the hoods. The cheaper groups branded as Power-Shift only shifts a single step down the cassette, and with EPS you'd just hold the thumb lever.

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Mayhem SWE [31 posts] 1 year ago
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fukawitribe wrote:

Campagnolo do quote the short cage 11s RD as having a 33T capacity (not sure how that plays out in the real world mind) and the long cage with a 39T (?!) - so you could possibly go with a SRAM or Shimano wide(r) range 11s cassette on the short cage, at least in theory. Save a bob or two (modulo freehub cost)

Pretty sure the quoted 33T capacity is not in reference to the largest rear cog but how much chain slack the derailleur cage is able to compensate for between the very highest and lowest gears. You'd calculate the required capacity with the formula large chainring - small chainring ​+ largest rear cog - smallest rear cog which for a real-world example using a compact 50-34T chainset and a 12-29T cassette would give 50-34+29-12=33.

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fukawitribe [1928 posts] 1 year ago
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Mayhem SWE wrote:
fukawitribe wrote:

Campagnolo do quote the short cage 11s RD as having a 33T capacity (not sure how that plays out in the real world mind) and the long cage with a 39T (?!) - so you could possibly go with a SRAM or Shimano wide(r) range 11s cassette on the short cage, at least in theory. Save a bob or two (modulo freehub cost)

Pretty sure the quoted 33T capacity is not in reference to the largest rear cog but how much chain slack the derailleur cage is able to compensate for between the very highest and lowest gears. You'd calculate the required capacity with the formula large chainring - small chainring ​+ largest rear cog - smallest rear cog which for a real-world example using a compact 50-34T chainset and a 12-29T cassette would give 50-34+29-12=33.

That sounds more believable, wondered if it was similar to FD capacity but didn't check  - thanks for the info. The capacity figures are rather pessimistic in that case, which is still good for those wanted wider ranges on Campag (without going to Miche or similar). Cheers.

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reippuert [67 posts] 1 year ago
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Bigringrider wrote:
fukawitribe wrote:

Campagnolo do quote the short cage 11s RD as having a 33T capacity (not sure how that plays out in the real world mind) and the long cage with a 39T (?!) - so you could possibly go with a SRAM or Shimano wide(r) range 11s cassette on the short cage, at least in theory. Save a bob or two (modulo freehub cost)

 

Afaik, post 2009 (or was it 2010?) Campagnolo only make one size of rear mech for Chorus/R/SR. The short, medium and long versions were phased out for 11-speed until they released an Athena triple touring option a few years back. C/R/SR only go up to 29t but I’ve read about bodges to get higher spec.

 

My short cage 2007 10-speed chorus could do a 28, but not a 29 on my Merline Works CR325 gearhanger. - i replaced the short arm with a 2006 long arm from the latest Chorus 10speed tripple series in order to run a 13/29 casette. The gearhanger on my Merlin frame is very conservative. I have seen other frames where the short meach could handle the 13/29 casette.

A short cage 2009 11-speed can do 30t (in fact a 50/34-12/20 though the chain was too tight for 50-27 and 50-30).

The new 2015 11-speed can do at least 29, but since i has no problem with the chain in 50-29 i would imagine that a 30-31 wouldn't be a problem as long as i stay away from 50-30/31. I have thougt about getting a shimano 11 speed body fro my record or DT hubs to try out a 11/32 casette.

 

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reippuert [67 posts] 1 year ago
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thesaladdays wrote:
stuartraw wrote:

This thumb lever can occasionally be difficult to operate from the drops, especially if you are riding out of the saddle in a sprint..

 

Surely, you'd avoid changing gear if you were out of the saddle and sprinting?

Campag fail safe to encourage you to ride more smoothly!

 

Just had a look through the 2016 catalogue.

Any idea why only the non-EPS Super Record/Record/Chorus still use the older, higher thumb lever shifters, whilst everything else (including Athena and Veloce) have the new ones with a lower  thumb lever?  Seems a bit odd. 

 

Campy is holding on until they are ready to release disc brakes and unified EPS cableing standard.

Chorus/Athena EPS is not Compatible til Record/SR EPS. I'd imagine that they want to settle  with the Chorus EPS cable standard since the Chorus front EPS deraillure is the only EPS front deraillure with the 2015 Revolution cage and geometry.

I would hae gotten an EPS groupset instead of mechainical 2015 Revolution if i campy had sorted out the incompatibility between the two EPS standards.

 

 

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