London’s Licensed Taxi Drivers Association (LTDA) has footage that it claims shows a majority of cyclists ignoring the red light at a junction in Hackney. But our analysis of the complete video footage from one location shows that most cyclists obey the law.
The LTDA claims that of 170 cyclists who passed through the junction of Hackney Road and Queensbridge Road in the morning rush hour on one day in September, 108 failed to stop at the red light, a staggering 64 percent. At another junction in Camden, 86 out of 194 failed to stop.
But we counted a total of 750 cyclists riding through the junction along Hackney Road toward the city centre. Of 243 who arrived when the light was red, 131 stopped. And of 104 riders entering from the side street, Queensbridge Road, all but 2 stopped at the light.
The LTDA released an edited version of its footage, as well as the full hour of video from Hackney and Camden.
“Various cycle action and lobbying groups constantly assure Londoners that cyclists are law abiding,” the LTDA says in the introduction to the edited version of the footage. “Apparently it’s only a few ‘rogue’ cyclists who jump red lights and flaunt (sic) the rules of the road…
“This theory is in stark contrast to the evidence that most Londoners witness every day. The LTDA decided to test the theory and discover the truth. We set up a hidden camera at busy traffic light controlled junctions to record what really happens every day on our roads. What we found shocked us…”
To find out if things were really as bad as the LTDA says, we watched all of the Hackney Road video. It shows 750 cyclists passing through the junction, heading towards the centre of London between 7:30 and 8:30 in the morning.
112 people failing to stop at the lights out of 750 is a far lower proportion than the LTDA claims, but it’s not that simple. And it’s still 46 percent failing to stop at the light, so while we could quibble with the LTDA’s conclusion that a majority failed to stop, it’d be splitting hairs.
What the video also shows, though, is the behaviour of riders coming out of Queensbridge Road. All but two of the 104 riders turning right down Hackney Road do so just after the lights change, indicating that they have stopped. If LTDA had positioned their camera elsewhere on the junction, they’d have found over 98 percent of cyclists following the rules, and not had much of a story.
The hour-long video covers 52 cycles of the lights, and also shows 29 motor vehicles stopping in the advanced-stop box, and eight failing to stop at the red light. That includes three extraordinarily hairy right turns into Queensbridge Road such as the one made by the driver of the silver car at about 47:10:
We point this out not to excuse the behaviour of the cyclists but to demonstrate that some Londoners seem to have the attitude that the Highway Code is more what you’d call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules.
Why are riders failing to stop at this junction? On the map, it looks like a crossroads, but Horatio Street is a residential, one-way except for bikes, and has very little traffic emerging from it. The risk of a collision from riding through the red light here is negligible. These riders may be breaking the rules, but it’s arguable that they’re doing anything dangerous.
In some parts of the world, cyclists are allowed to ride through junctions like this, or to turn left at red lights. In 2010 the office of London mayor Boris Johnson suggested allowing cyclists to turn left at red lights.
The junction in Camden where the LTDA chose to film has similar issues. In our forum discussion on this video, poster jamesv said: “I cycle through the fortess junction every weekday on my commute and if I were to pick one junction on my route to skew statistics it would be this one – by far the most RLJing cyclists.”
Management guru W Edwards Deming once said: “Your system is perfectly designed to give you the results you’re getting.” If you wanted to design junctions to make cyclists feel it was safe and reasonable to break the rules, these junctions are what you’d end up with.
62 thoughts on “London taxi drivers claim film shows most cyclist jump red lights – but does it?”
I don’t know about London but
I don’t know about London but I spent some time in York yesterday observing cyclists and didn’t see a single RLJ.
Meanwhile, it my experience that most taxi drivers routinely flout speed limits. People who live in glass houses…
You’ve got to love how in the
You’ve got to love how in the opening sequence of their hour-long video (at the 8 second mark), it shows a car jumping the red light. The irony of it all!
However you interpret the
However you interpret the stats it’s still a lot of cyclists disobeying the rules..
Even if it’s safe to jump to jump a red light at this particular junction you still shouldn’t do it – we wouldn’t accept that argument from car drivers, would we?
Funny that because my
Funny that because my experience in London as pedestrian, cyclist and driver is that most taxi drivers drive like morons.
“Lies, damned lies, and
“Lies, damned lies, and statistics!” (Mark Twain).
EVERYONE is using the highway code as guidelines – this is the truth of it.
What we’ve descended into is a petty argument that seems to be escalating. Boris isn’t helping, the Police in some areas aren’t helping, and some members of each of the groups of road users aren’t helping to resolve the problems.
We’re all people, we’re all using the road, and we’re all fallible. We don’t have to be a***holes though.
Typical selective
Typical selective commentating – basically you can make anything out to be something it isn’t by focussing on the points you want to.
Consider the following “statistic” (it’s not a stat, I’ve just made it up!)
25% of cyclists jump red lights!
That’s the type of headline beloved of the Daily Wail but then if you put it as:
75% of cyclists obeyed all the road rules along with 68% of motorists in our 1hr survey at one junction.
it paints a very different picture.
What’s very telling in that is they’ve chosen a junction where the consequences of RLJing by a cyclist are extremely minimal (therefore more are likely to do it) but they’ve not commented on the number of vehicles encroaching into the ASL…
I’m not taking lessons in How
I’m not taking lessons in How Not To Be A Dickish Road User from the trade association of London cabbies.
You know what would be
You know what would be interesting
Turning on GPS tracking on your phone whilst in a bus or taxi and recording the journey. Using the camera to take photos of ASL and red light violations and bombing TFL and the PCO with this evidence
Just saying…
I am very disappointed with
I am very disappointed with the fact that, statistically, focussing on TWO junctions is NOT proof of an RLJ cyclist percentage. I had a discussion with a friend at work (he cycles in occasionally from North London) and he claims that a large percentage of cyclists jump red lights, BUT on my commute from Paddington the vast majority of cyclists do NOT jump red lights. Clearly, and this should not come as a shock to anybody, there are differences in road layouts, traffic volumes etc. I have no personal experience of the junctions involved in the Taxi Driver “survey”, so will not comment on specifics. Almost anyone could pick a junction and monitor it for their own devices.
What I will say, however, is that I always try to accommodate taxis, letting them turn first at traffic lights as they are invariably quicker than me and often wave them on. Unfortunately, I do not get much in the way of appreciation from most taxi drivers. The one who blatantly went through red whilst cyclists, cars and motorbikes had stopped, earlier this week around Buckingham Palace, should be brought to book – he was darned fortunate no pedestrian was actually crossing at the time.
One more small request for taxis – please do NOT drive along in the dark with sidelights – in urban environments, they end up looking like extensions of the shops, street lamps etc.
One more thing … last night I stopped at a zebra crossing to let pedestrians cross, as usual, when a coach undertook me with pedestrians ON the zebra crossing …
Have a nice weekend, everyone 🙂
It would be intresting to see
It would be intresting to see what would happen if all cyclist didnt jump lights but did ride in the primary position.
IanW1968 wrote:It would be
Amen to that. Be careful what you wish for taxi drivers.
IanW1968 wrote:It would be
The video wouldn’t have been published.
The video shows the behavior
The video shows the behavior of most cyclist nearing a red light that doesn’t really guard a crossing, as with going right on a crossing with a red light in some cases is allowed (in Holland that’s left), it should be allowed here also.
Although i second that the perceived behaviour on the video is more or less correct, on a real crossing cyclist would be more carfull when jumping.
(the perception of a cyslist seeing a red light as a sign to be aware of traffic rather then stopping is correct, but in Holland it hardly leads to trouble, but i get it that car drivers will be jealous and would want to jump red lights too – guess this is what the world looks like in the eyes of taxi drivers, but taxi drivers aren’t sweethearts either)
An independent count with an hidden camera on a real crossing would be a better more objective count and be of real value into seeing how behavior would endanger/hinder other road users.
Note that not a single
Note that not a single cyclist (that I saw) jumps the light from the other junction.
Equally, a lot of the cyclists I saw in the video stopped, waiting for peds to cross, and then started up a few seconds before the lights went to green, i.e. getting a [b]head start and clearing the junction[/b]
Which makes some sense when you see some of the dodgy undertaking by drivers who swerve into the cyclists, when they are slowed down by a right turning vehicles.
Btw, good rebuttal here:
http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/response-to-ltda-analysis-of-signal-compliance-by-mode
How on earth did the LTDA
How on earth did the LTDA manage to get the Evening Standard to run this heavily edited video as a main story?
Noting a majority of the cars
Noting a majority of the cars stopping after the first white line in the cycle safe zone that is clearly…sorry poorly marked up.
Like JonSP states “Meanwhile, it my experience that most taxi drivers routinely flout speed limits”
Like the taxi driver who got four speeding tickets on the same street in one afternoon going through clearly identified average speed cameras in Plymouth a while ago.
in the first 1:30, which is
in the first 1:30, which is about all i’m willing to give to this sh1t, there are two cars running reds (not counting the going very late on a yellow) and at the very least 4 pedestrians crossing without the green man. I think we should all just stay off the streets because obviously no one is to be trusted…
Down with this sort of thing!
Down with this sort of thing!
allez neg wrote:Down with
Careful now.
Quote:We either obey the law,
“The law” is an ass. It’s actually statistically the law-abiding cyclists more likely to end up under a truck – they’ve gone where the infrastructure has guided them (up the left to the ASL), stopped at the red light…and then been crushed by a left turning truck.
Other countries have a “turn right on red” law (obviously it would be “left” in the UK) which is safer and more convenient for all road users so why not here?
Most riders are not “breaking the law” in the black/white definition you have. They’re bending it for their own safety. “Anticipating” the lights by a few seconds (yes, technically it’s jumping them but it gets the rider away from the F1 starting grid of taxis, buses etc behind them).
A bike can quite easily filter into traffic without causing anyone any harm (unlike a car which takes up 10sq metres of road space). So it makes sense that “the law” gets rewritten to take that into account. When I’m cycling on a road, my safety comes first, the safety and convenience of other road users (pedestrian, horse riders, motorists) comes second and the law comes a distant third.
So we are shocked that a
~X( So we are shocked that a London Cabbie has a one-eyed biased view of something they don’t like??? Have you never been in a cab? They’re all intollerant borderline racist bigots*
*isn’t it easy to make wide sweeping sterotyping statements…
IMO too many cyclists jump red lights, i’m not sure there are many people who would argue that point. In some circumstances it can be argued that it is safer to do so, but arguing, as the article does, that they aren’t doing anything that dangerous is not helpful. It isn’t only about safety, just because something isn’t all that dangerous doesn’t mean you should ignore the law and do what you want. It is that approach that seems to annoy motorists the most, and i can’t say i disagree. If there is no safety reason to keep going, then f**king stop.
Red light jumpers should get
Red light jumpers should get at least 3 points on their driving license and/or a hefty fine, irrespective of the type of vehicle being driven. Bus, lorry, car, motorcycle or bicycle …. you go through a red light you put pedestrians crossing at risk (i don’t care about you if you don’t care about anyone else).
Worst of all you contribute to a free for all culture where everyone feels that they can break the law if they judge it to be safe/convenient. The problem being that not every person’s judgement is sound.
Don’t turn a blind eye to red light jumping cyclists and then complain about the driver who goes through a red light and wipes out a cyclist or a pedestrian. He probably isn’t a psycho. He probably judged it safe to go through too.
GoingRoundInCycles
Nice comparison of apples to space robots.
Quote:How on earth did the
I posted something about this the other day on another thread – basically the media (and the readers) can’t cope with anything as complicated as “data” – journalists aren’t paid to understand any of the stories they’re covering, they’re paid to make good headlines. So they’ll find an article – might be quite long and involved – and condense it to fit their angle, their criteria and their readership.
So a medical journal reporting on some new drug trials ends up being reported in the Daily Express as “NEW WONDER DRUG WILL CURE CANCER!!” whereas what the report actually says is that early indications are that cancer tumours in mice show signs of reduction when given [new drug].
Same here. Show a 10 second clip, claim that all cyclists jump reds and there you go, cue a whole peloton of cyclists bashing away furiously on the comments page to defend themselves and a whole load of other newsboard commentators claiming that they’re “nearly killed” on a daily basis by cyclists and we should all pay road tax. Bumps up the newspapers click-rate on the website.
As a cyclist I am totally in
As a cyclist I am totally in favour of everyone obeying the law. I therefore look forward to the LTDA agreeing to all their members having GPS trackers fitted to ensure compliance of their members.
I actually found the video
I actually found the video more enjoyable then Waterworld starring Kevin Costner…
gazpacho wrote:I actually
But, then, I found being stabbed in the eye more enjoyable than Waterworld!
Interesting, the first 2
Interesting, the first 2 cycles, 1 cyclist jumps each time. When 1 or 2 others are stopped already. Then a stream come through indicating that a group may have been stopped just off camera. In both instances a white van encroaches the ASL, and a motorbike does the same in the second cycle also. Anyone can find fault if looking at this video
Are there any habitual RLJers
Are there any habitual RLJers out there who can tell me what goes on in your heads when the lights have been red for a while and you approach the junction and ignore them? (Like the stream of RLJers at about 24 mins). I’m not talking about getting a couple of seconds ahead of a light that’s about to go green, it’s when other people are sitting there and you just breeze past them.
To me it’s: “The law doesn’t apply to me” but maybe there’s something else going on up there?
Carl wrote:Are there any
This is a great, great question. It is only by understanding the psychology of the offence that we can tailor education or infrastructure to discourage RLJ.
I’d also like it answered for those who advance just past the white line then stop even when there’s space in the ASL (which I find even weirder than full-on RLJ as it doesn’t actually get you to your destination any quicker!).
Cantab wrote:only by
Interesting point about adapting the infrastructure, and one that I think ought to be strongly considered by those in charge of transport policy.
In David Hembrow’s AViewFromTheCyclePath blog, he describes bike journeys (ones with actual destinations, not just pootling around) in and around Assen, where he lives, as being almost traffic signal free – there is virtually no opportunity for people on bikes to jump red lights because they encounter so few – if any.
That’s what I’d like to see in London and in fact everywhere else in the UK. As well as extensive physical separation of bikes from motor traffic – which would mean everyone aged 8-80 would feel safe travelling by bike and encouraged to do it, not just the Strava types – there would be fewer points at which bike journeys are interrupted.
If it means making short car journeys more inconvenient, all the better, as this would help provide the space for much of the required segregation, and further encourage people onto their bikes as well as reduce pollution and many of the other drawbacks of our reliance on motor transport.
Carl wrote:Are there any
When I first started to cycle to work, about 5 years ago I would RLJ most of the time. Why? First reason was that it cut my journey time slightly. Secondly, I was unsure if it was illegal for cyclists to RLJ. Thirdly and most importantly, for exactly the same reason so many motorists either use a mobile while driving, drive over the speed limit and drive into the ASL, because there is no fear of getting into trouble for these traffic violations and that they are not seen as a misdemeanour by the wider public. IMO more needs to be done to catch and fine these law breakers. Only when people feel that they might be caught and there will be repercussions will they think twice about it and stop doing this.
Within a year of cycling I stopped RLJing completely. Why? I found out that even for cyclists RLJing is breaking the law. Fear of getting caught and fined. Realising that it’s just plain wrong. Disliked the thought of others thinking I’m another RLJing wxxxxr. Couldn’t work out why I was in such a rush to get to work.
Nevertheless, I don’t know what this video is trying to achieve. LTDA are just stirring up trouble. We should be looking to learn to share the road space in the most safe way possible, ie For drivers and cyclists to respect each other and follow the Highway Code. It’s not difficult but neither seem to want to take the initiative.
Much better to point fingers and call names 👿
Call me cynical but I’m going
Call me cynical but I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that the Standard chose to use the most reckless scary looking screen capture they could to illustrate their story – note the caption:
Actually the woman is quite a distance away from any cyclists, and doesn’t look in least bit bothered by them*.
Of course I don’t mean it’s generally OK to jump red lights, especially not on busy pedestrian crossings, but if that’s the worst incident in two hours of filming I’m going to suggest it’s not as big a deal as it would be if that many drivers were jumping red lights… Maybe we could compare it to drivers going over 70mph on the motorway for instance.
*Please let me know if there are any bits where women and children run screaming from the two-wheeled menace only to be ruthlessly mown down before they can reach the safety of the kerb. I can’t be bothered to watch it all on the offchance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulykRPjzUjQ
When those bastards learn to
When those bastards learn to drive safely then they can criticise, until then they can STFU.
I had one of those shitheads riding a little over a foot from my back wheel whilst I was trying to overtake another cyclist, the c**t nearly caused an accident and when I remonstrated with him, he threatened to take me out and I dont think he had a restaurant in mind.
Their standard of driving is appauling, I will admit that they’re not all bad, just most of them.
I like to see a new law passed – cyclists can vandalise cabs whenever they are wronged.
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I think the main question
I think the main question raised by these videos is why at a time when a “share the road” type of campaign should be promoted, to try and help road safety, is an organisation for professional drivers deliberately trying to antagonise a single section of road users. The videos are of no real help to anyone. Seeing as the LTDA have found 2 junctions that have a large number of traffic violations (not just cyclists), the responsible thing for them to have done would surely be to inform the met police so they could do one of their advice blitzes. Not to put a camera there and then try to vilify cyclists.
“But we counted a total of
“But we counted a total of 750 cyclists riding through the junction along Hackney Road toward the city centre. Of 243 who arrived when the light was red, 131 stopped.”
I was never that good at maths, but that’s really A Really Bad Thing isn’t it? You’re making out it’s nothing. Nearly half didn’t stop? I often now sit at reds watching f#ckwits ride through reds (normally the same mob – NuFreds, girls pootling along at 10mph listening to music – without lights) and hoping guiltily they get sided.
Cherry-picked for dramatic
Cherry-picked for dramatic effect, discard, forget.
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(mod, remove this)
Back in the day only cyclists
Back in the day only cyclists rode bikes, now too many non cyclists are riding bikes.
bikecellar wrote:Back in the
I think I would rather not think of myself as a ‘cyclist’ so much as going back to being just ‘not a motorist’, as I was before I started cycling.
Too many “cyclists” seen to think that ‘everyone with a bike obeying every law at all times’ is achievable and that it would change the situation with motorist behaviour and bad road design. As far as I can see both those ideas are mistaken.
Very dangerous comments at
Very dangerous comments at the moment wasn’t me was him type of thing car drivers hate cyclists etc etc what they got to realise that cyclists are just as entitled to the road as they are ,safety should be their priority not moaning about cyclists on the road etc.. Try crossing the road if your old or injured and see if cars slow down to let you cross etc..
I mean, I disliked our
I mean, I disliked our car-centric culture back when I was a pedestrian and public-transport user. Now I have discovered (late in the day) that cycling is a better way to get around (and offers hope for getting more people out of cars).
Yet somehow, by merely taking to two wheels, I have apparently taken on responsibility for policing the behaviour of everyone else in the country who has a bike! And now, apparently, I have to get every one of them to behave perfectly at all times before I can return to asking for less car-centred cities! Even though the worst cyclist behaviour is less lethal than the average motorist behaviour.
I feel puzzled by this.
First car that appears on the
First car that appears on the video jumps the red light
At the second red light the
At the second red light the yellow car on the opposite side of the road jumps the red light. Its too boring to watch the rest
At the second red light the
At the second red light the yellow car on the opposite side of the road jumps the red light. Its too boring to watch the rest
Perhaps we should do same
Perhaps we should do same sort of video at those junctions & post unedited to show the law breaking drivers to prove they arent innocent as the Taxi drivers trying to make themselves. Their own video was showing ASl abuse within seconds of it starting.
Watching some of the red
Watching some of the red light jumpers made me think. Personally I wait in a queue in amongst cars and on the line a red lights but have on rare occasions after the traffic has cleared carried on (only when I absolutely know there will be no others vehicles coming). Part of the problem with traffic lights is cyclist have more visibility and awareness of movement traffic and feel it’s easier to cross a junction generally.
Watching some of the red
Watching some of the red light jumpers made me think. Personally I wait in a queue in amongst cars and on the line a red lights but have on rare occasions after the traffic has cleared carried on (only when I absolutely know there will be no others vehicles coming). Part of the problem with traffic lights is cyclist have more visibility and awareness of movement traffic and feel it’s easier to cross a junction generally.
perhaps a road system with no
perhaps a road system with no road markings or furniture with a mandatory limit of 10mph may help. No. Well then, we are where we are. We have a road system thats not designed for cycles and definitely not designed for mixed mode and mixed speed traffic. So, be careful out there and obey the law when safe to do so.
Perhaps taxi drivers should
Perhaps taxi drivers should concentrate upon their own particular skills, (actually driving safely). If I was consistently poor at my job then I would quickly be disciplined and eventually be looking for new employment! (Apparently not if you’re a taxi driver!).
I try hard to obey every
I try hard to obey every traffic law. I want to have a firm place to stand when I criticise the drivers who risk my life.
Picked another (large)
Picked another (large) junction and watched the cars behaviour, just for two cycles of the lights.
For both, two cars went through on amber, and two cars went through after the lights had clearly gone red, vs only one that stopped correctly (can only be one per phase doing that, logically).
The first car to stop did so correctly behind the ASL, the second one ended up stopping well beyond the ASL, right across the pedestrian crossing, after starting to run the red and thinking better of it.
True, during the time I was watching, the single cyclist to appear slightly marred my experiment by quite blatantly jumping the red (I wanted to shout ‘you’re spoiling my numbers damn you!’), but, using the same system as the Taxi Driver study and not counting vehicles going through on green, the proportions for motorists and cyclists breaking the rules were still fairly similar – 100% of the one-and-only cyclist vs about 80% of the larger sample of motorists.
I got bored after two traffic light phases, sorry. I’m a rubbish scientist.
Though I’ve noticed its not uncommon at this junction for up to four cars to race through after the lights have gone red.
In short, I would suggest that cyclists are actually not very different from other road-users, statistically, in their tendency to pass the stop line when they legally shouldn’t.
Of course taxi drivers are
Of course taxi drivers are the best drivers on the roads….. Pulling across lanes of traffic without indicating to pick up a fare without indicating or using mirrors; doing u-turns in front of cyclists without indicating; cutting across cyclists to turn off main roads…… The list goes on….
Personally my adherence to
Personally my adherence to the stop line is all about safety, not law, if I filter up to the front of the traffic and can’t sit between vehicles because they only have 1-foot gaps between them then I will find a safe place in front, where I am visible to drivers, so that once they have finished reading their Facebook messages they don’t knock me over.
I can’t figure out why taxi
I can’t figure out why taxi organisations care about or study cyclists’ behaviour?
Yawn. A random video, showing
Yawn. A random video, showing bad behaviour by all road users. Got bored after about two minutes (during which time there were two red lights and the vehicle at the head of the queue on each occasion totally ignored the ASL).
I’m all for fines for bikes who jump red lights, in the same way I am for fines for cars, buses, lorries driving over the ASL. It’s the law. It’s there to protect you and others. Get on with it. Same for those who whinge when they are caught speeding – there’s a speed camera sign and the damn things are painted bright yellow. What more do you want?
Move on.
some Londoners seem to have
some Londoners seem to have the attitude that the Highway Code is more what you’d call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules
Time has moved on and now ‘some Londoners’ have been joined by more true zealots for these ‘it’s only a guideline’, we’re just trying to keep these hard-working drivers moving and cyclists are the rats of the road notions- Lancashire Constabulary being foremost among them with its total forgiveness for drivers crashing through red lights at speed, crossing double white lines, using handheld mobile devices while driving etc. etc
A great quote: ‘ “Your system
A great quote: ‘ “Your system is perfectly designed to give you the results you’re getting.” If you wanted to design junctions to make cyclists feel it was safe and reasonable to break the rules, these junctions are what you’d end up with. ‘
He was spot on.
Certainly people will cut corners … but they’ll definitely ignore rules that seem to conflict with their own safety. That applies whether people are driving, walking, cycling…
Yes, some kind of “feedback” is necessary for people to follow rules (see “lack of road policing and effective punishments on driving behaviors”). But that is expensive and an ongoing cost. But if the design eliminates a source of danger or otherwise makes the need for some rules unnecessary – or makes it clearer that certain rules are essentially in your own interest – that fixes much of the issue.
For a look at the issue more broadly here’s a longer article (not from John) on traffic rules, behaviours and the pitfalls of quick generalisations.
Comments are re-starting
Comments are re-starting presumably prompted by the news of the death of its author.
In terms of the subject matter, if there are measurable differences between drivers and cyclists at red lights, there are also different reasons. I skim-read the article and comments and I didn’t spot the following:
Can’t find them now but there
Can’t find them now but there were a couple of good articles examining this behaviour and it seems that cyclists and motorists cross on red in different ways – because they have differing motivations / there are different cost / benefit analyses that play out. (Obviously people in general want to save themselves time…)
Apparently people have also studied this and published e.g. here.
Personally I’m a fan of reducing numbers of rules but making the ones that are important really clear / no exceptions. I think we could do a lot by way of simply making some rules unneeded, but equally I do think where necessary we should keep it universally “red (or red and yellow, people…) means ‘stop’ “.
So I’m not a fan of “cyclists left (in the UK) on red”. Even though to my surprise they have it in NL and sometimes even where they have separate cycling lights. (I’m not familiar with exactly where it’s used and why though).
I think simply not having the main lights apply to cyclists (because they have their own “path”) is the better way. Unfortunately this will likely be a bridge too far for UK pedestrians (particularly the visual impairments lobby) for a generation or so – because a) people expect that they’re only “safe” on the pavement but once they get a green everyone else should stop and b) “we don’t have space” for the “buffer” separation seen e.g. here.