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A man in Carlisle has been fined for £55 dangerous cycling – after being spotted by a police officer riding his bike with his young daughter perched on his shoulders.

Carlisle Magistrates’ Court was told that the man, who cannot be named for legal reasons due to a court order preventing his child from being identified, was seen cycling “at high speed” on a path adjacent to Wigton Road at around 4.30pm on 7 August this year.

According to the News and Star, the court was told that the man seemed to be unsteady on his bike as he used his left hand to steer while his right hand held onto his daughter’s leg, and that neither he nor his child, described as pre-school age, was wearing a cycle helmet.

The man, aged in his 20s, pleaded not guilty and insisted that he did not believe his actions to be dangerous, but his defence was rejected.

Besides the fine imposed by magistrates, the defendant also has to pay a £20 victim surcharge as well as £100 in prosecution costs.

Under section 28 of the Road Traffic Act 1991, "a person is to be regarded as riding dangerously if (and only if) (a) the way he rides falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful cyclist, and (b) it would be obvious to a competent and careful cyclist that riding in that way would be dangerous."

The offence carries a maximum penalty of a £2,500 fine.

Born in Scotland, Simon moved to London aged seven and now lives in the Oxfordshire Cotswolds with his miniature schnauzer, Elodie. He fell in love with cycling one Saturday morning in 1994 while living in Italy when Milan-San Remo went past his front door. A daily cycle commuter in London back before riding to work started to boom, he's been news editor at road.cc since 2009. Handily for work, he speaks French and Italian. He doesn't get to ride his Colnago as often as he'd like, and freely admits he's much more adept at cooking than fettling with bikes.

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mrmo [2075 posts] 2 years ago
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it would be obvious to a competent and careful cyclist that riding in that way would be dangerous."

That lovely phrase again.

In this case i assume that the magistrates were cyclists? I mean how can a non cyclist correctly judge if a cyclists actions were or were not safe?

What i see in my head resembles what seems quite common in parts of the world where the bike is TRANSPORT not a toy.

edit, and WTF has wearing a helmet got to do with it!!!!!

If i install a roll cage, wear overalls and helmet does that mean i can go out and do 200mph on the M1?

edit edit, is taking off a gilet or jacket dangerous? I can imagine a non cyclist might think it dangerous, yet many cyclists do it without thinking.

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The _Kaner [770 posts] 2 years ago
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He may not have been wearing a helmet, but he was wearing a child...an altogether different form of safety attire.....  24

Only using one hand to steer, heaven forbid any manual gear changing motorist that removes his hands from the " 10 to 2" position...or uses an in car stereo, or indicates etc...

..yes I am being a plonker....the man deserves to be brought to book for endangering the child...

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Mendip James [38 posts] 2 years ago
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Not very aero

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md6 [181 posts] 2 years ago
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But was he wearing Hi-Viz?

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GoingRoundInCycles [133 posts] 2 years ago
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It ought to be possible to ban absolute asshat clowns like this from ever riding a bike again.  14

Adults can do what they want within reason but people who expose their children to unnecessary risks because it is convenient .......  14

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AWPeleton [3316 posts] 2 years ago
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A buffoon of the highest order, no-one should stick up for this bloke...

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Karbon Kev [688 posts] 2 years ago
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totally agree with this fine, of course it's a stupid thing to do ..

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therealsmallboy [167 posts] 2 years ago
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What a bell end

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tourdelound [157 posts] 2 years ago
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Seems like a fair cop to me.

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pwake [376 posts] 2 years ago
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Einstein was right about human stupidity. Was this guy a relative of Emma Way?

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Tony Farrelly [2868 posts] 2 years ago
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stumps wrote:

A buffoon of the highest order, no-one should stick up for this bloke...

I'll stick up for him a bit.

I used to take one of my daughters to school on my MTB her sitting on my knee me holding her with one hand, couple of miles mostly down hill but with a bit of up. Did it most days for getting on for three years until she got too heavy with no bother at all. Certainly wasn't the only one. I wouldn't have put her on my shoulders though. And it is true as was said at the top that in other countries where bikes are transport people carry kids on bikes in all sorts of way with no apparent mishaps or high viz involved.

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Guyz2010 [304 posts] 2 years ago
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Just deserves, however motorists seem to get away with just as dangerous occurrences pretty much all the time, high street racing with a car full of mates.

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GoingRoundInCycles [133 posts] 2 years ago
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Tony Farrelly wrote:
stumps wrote:

A buffoon of the highest order, no-one should stick up for this bloke...

I'll stick up for him a bit.

I used to take one of my daughters to school on my MTB her sitting on my knee me holding her with one hand, couple of miles mostly down hill but with a bit of up. Did it most days for getting on for three years until she got too heavy with no bother at all.

Must have made giving hand signals to other road users a bit of a challenge?

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Certainly wasn't the only one. I wouldn't have put her on my shoulders though. And it is true as was said at the top that in other countries where bikes are transport people carry kids on bikes in all sorts of way with no apparent mishaps or high viz involved.

Mmm. The childhood mortality rate in many of those countries also tends to be a lot higher than we poor unfortunate Brits burdened with our appalling risk averse, health and safety culture.

Wait a minute, that can't be right .......  39

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cavmem1 [50 posts] 2 years ago
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Guyz2010 wrote:

Just deserves, however motorists seem to get away with just as dangerous occurrences pretty much all the time, high street racing with a car full of mates.

How in gods name can you even put any mention as to motorists and their behaviour?
If they race with multiple occupants they don't stack themselves onto one seat do they?
For once can we comment on what has to be a complete and utter f@&£tard for his abject stupidity and not feel the need to include a mention of motorists?

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Northernbike [229 posts] 2 years ago
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This site is becoming the mumsnet of cycling where a bunch of (apparently) exemplary and faultless bike riders gather together like a gaggle of stay at home middle class women and collectively tut tut whatever might be today's example of the moral decline of the nation. This guy was giving his kid a lift on a pushbike for crissakes, not putting hard drugs on her fish fingers or sending her up chimnies. Chill out people.

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dunnoh [198 posts] 2 years ago
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My Dad ramped over my mates with me on the stunt nuts when I was a kid. It was ruddy ace.

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nowasps [426 posts] 2 years ago
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Is that what you meant to write?  7

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Ush [692 posts] 2 years ago
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Northernbike wrote:

This site is becoming the mumsnet of cycling where a bunch of (apparently) exemplary and faultless bike riders gather together like a gaggle of stay at home middle class women and collectively tut tut whatever might be today's example of the moral decline of the nation. This guy was giving his kid a lift on a pushbike for crissakes, not putting hard drugs on her fish fingers or sending her up chimnies. Chill out people.

Yeah. A bit of "mind yer own" seems in order.

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Joeinpoole [439 posts] 2 years ago
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dunnoh wrote:

My Dad ramped over my mates with me on the stunt nuts when I was a kid. It was ruddy ace.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Is it possible to have this post translated into a standard European language?

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A V Lowe [575 posts] 2 years ago
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I wonder if the Police checks in London picked up the florist's van crossing Blackfriars Bridge some mornings with the dog sat in driver's lap? Dogs in cars especially are a real potential hazard.

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Matt eaton [742 posts] 2 years ago
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Joeinpoole wrote:
dunnoh wrote:

My Dad ramped over my mates with me on the stunt nuts when I was a kid. It was ruddy ace.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Is it possible to have this post translated into a standard European language?

I'll try:
My father used a ramp to jump over a group of my friends with me standing on the pegs of the bicycle.

Pegs = those sticky out bits attached to the axles of many freestlye BMXs

Dunnoh - your Dad sounds like a top bloke. More '2 on a bike' stunts please!

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dave atkinson [6223 posts] 2 years ago
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GoingRoundInCycles wrote:

Mmm. The childhood mortality rate in many of those countries also tends to be a lot higher than we poor unfortunate Brits burdened with our appalling risk averse, health and safety culture.

Wait a minute, that can't be right .......  39

really?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8696690.stm

or are you talking about bikes-as-transport areas such as sub-saharan africa? i'm not sure carrying kids around on bikes without helmets and hi-viz is the major issue there