Lance Armstrong - USADA produces "overwhelming" evidence
11 riders who gave evidence named in pre-publication statement
Syringe
Some 1,200 pages of evidence collected by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) will later today be thudding through the letterbox at the UCI headquarters in Aigle - or at least taking quite a long time to squeeze in to the UCI inbox.
The document, the largest of its kind ever compiled by the agency, contains eyewitness, documentary, first-hand, scientific, direct and circumstantial evidence which USADA's CEO, Travis Tygart said in a statement ahead of publication revealed "conclusive and undeniable proof that brings to the light of day for the first time this systemic, sustained and highly professionalized team-run doping conspiracy."
In a long statement ahead of publication of the evidence on the USADA website, Tygart also named the former USPS riders who had given evidence against Armstrong.
Those were Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters and David Zabriskie.
All but the Canadian Barry are American, and every American who rode the Tour de France for US Postal and its successor team Disccovery Channel from 1999 to 2005, the seven editions Armstrong won, has provided testimony to USADA - other than Armstrong himself, and Kevin Livingston, who rode in the 1999 and 2000 editions.
Livingston himself, Nowadays he runs the Pedal Hard Training Center at Mellow Johnny's - the Austin, Texas bike shop owned by Armstrong is implicated in doping in USADA's reasoned decision, and the agency has said that its investigation into doping will continue and that others will be charged.
Immediately after publication of the USADA statement, George Hincapie released a statement of his own. In which he admitted using banned substances until 2006.
That was the year after Armstrong's first retirement, and Hincapie himself would ride one more season with the team, by then named Discovery Channel, before switching to High Road in 2008.
"Because of my love for the sport, the contributions I feel I have made to it, and the amount the sport of cycling has given to me over the years, it is extremely difficult today to acknowledge that during a part of my career I used banned substances.
"Early in my professional career, it became clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance enhancing drugs by cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the highest level without them.
"I deeply regret that choice and sincerely apologize to my family, teammates and fans."
The three-time US national champion, a stalwart of the USPS and Discovery Channel teams, also said that since 2006 "Quietly, and in the way I know best, I have been trying to rectify that decision. I have competed clean and have not used any performance enhancing drugs or processes for the past six years."
Tygart thanked the rider for their bravery in coming forward and also backed calls for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission - an idea floated by UCI President, Pat McQuaid - as the best way for cycling to move on and establish a new culture of clean competition.
USADA statement
Today, we are sending the ‘Reasoned Decision’ in the Lance Armstrong case and supporting information to the Union Cycliste International (UCI), the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), and the World Triathlon Corporation (WTC). The evidence shows beyond any doubt that the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen.
The evidence of the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team-run scheme is overwhelming and is in excess of 1000 pages, and includes sworn testimony from 26 people, including 15 riders with knowledge of the US Postal Service Team (USPS Team) and its participants’ doping activities. The evidence also includes direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding.
Together these different categories of eyewitness, documentary, first-hand, scientific, direct and circumstantial evidence reveal conclusive and undeniable proof that brings to the light of day for the first time this systemic, sustained and highly professionalized team-run doping conspiracy. All of the material will be made available later this afternoon on the USADA website at www.usada.org.
The USPS Team doping conspiracy was professionally designed to groom and pressure athletes to use dangerous drugs, to evade detection, to ensure its secrecy and ultimately gain an unfair competitive advantage through superior doping practices. A program organized by individuals who thought they were above the rules and who still play a major and active role in sport today.
The evidence demonstrates that the ‘Code of Silence’ of performance enhancing drug use in the sport of cycling has been shattered, but there is more to do. From day one, we always hoped this investigation would bring to a close this troubling chapter in cycling’s history and we hope the sport will use this tragedy to prevent it from ever happening again.
Of course, no one wants to be chained to the past forever, and I would call on the UCI to act on its own recent suggestion for a meaningful Truth and Reconciliation program. While we appreciate the arguments that weigh in favor of and against such a program, we believe that allowing individuals like the riders mentioned today to come forward and acknowledge the truth about their past doping may be the only way to truly dismantle the remaining system that allowed this “EPO and Blood Doping Era” to flourish. Hopefully, the sport can unshackle itself from the past, and once and for all continue to move forward to a better future.
Our mission is to protect clean athletes by preserving the integrity of competition not only for today’s athletes but also the athletes of tomorrow. We have heard from many athletes who have faced an unfair dilemma — dope, or don’t compete at the highest levels of the sport. Many of them abandoned their dreams and left sport because they refused to endanger their health and participate in doping. That is a tragic choice no athlete should have to make.
It took tremendous courage for the riders on the USPS Team and others to come forward and speak truthfully. It is not easy to admit your mistakes and accept your punishment. But that is what these riders have done for the good of the sport, and for the young riders who hope to one day reach their dreams without using dangerous drugs or methods.
These eleven (11) teammates of Lance Armstrong, in alphabetical order, are Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters and David Zabriskie.
The riders who participated in the USPS Team doping conspiracy and truthfully assisted have been courageous in making the choice to stop perpetuating the sporting fraud, and they have suffered greatly. In addition to the public revelations, the active riders have been suspended and disqualified appropriately in line with the rules. In some part, it would have been easier for them if it all would just go away; however, they love the sport, and they want to help young athletes have hope that they are not put in the position they were -- to face the reality that in order to climb to the heights of their sport they had to sink to the depths of dangerous cheating.
I have personally talked with and heard these athletes’ stories and firmly believe that, collectively, these athletes, if forgiven and embraced, have a chance to leave a legacy far greater for the good of the sport than anything they ever did on a bike.
Lance Armstrong was given the same opportunity to come forward and be part of the solution. He rejected it.
Instead he exercised his legal right not to contest the evidence and knowingly accepted the imposition of a ban from recognized competition for life and disqualification of his competitive results from 1998 forward. The entire factual and legal basis on the outcome in his case and the other six active riders’ cases will be provided in the materials made available online later today. Two other members of the USPS Team, Dr. Michele Ferrari and Dr. Garcia del Moral, also received lifetime bans for perpetrating this doping conspiracy.
Three other members of the USPS Team have chosen to contest the charges and take their cases to arbitration: Johan Bruyneel, the team director; Dr. Pedro Celaya, a team doctor; and Jose “Pepe” Marti, the team trainer. These three individuals will receive a full hearing before independent judges, where they will have the opportunity to present and confront the evidence, cross-examine witnesses and testify under oath in a public proceeding.
From day one in this case, as in every potential case, the USADA Board of Directors and professional staff did the job we are mandated to do for clean athletes and the integrity of sport. We focused solely on finding the truth without being influenced by celebrity or non-celebrity, threats, personal attacks or political pressure because that is what clean athletes deserve and demand.”
More to follow
Lance Armstrong's team ran "the most sophisticated, professionalised and successful doping programme the sport has ever seen" according to a report by the United States Anti-Doping Agency.
A couple of unexpected riders on the evidence list, but mostly what I thought. Most have been caught or suspected in the past though. They are just a few of 26 who gave evidence.
Also, nice bans here
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/six-former-armstrong-usps-teammates-rece...
Sounds like USADA really do have the smoking gun. If I was bjarne Riis, I'd be rather concerned right about... now.
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Also, with the bans. Can someone clear up USADA's jurisdiction over Michael Barry. Do USADA rule over CADP?? 
From the CADP website: Canadian athletes are not only subject to CADP rules, but also to the rules of other anti-doping organizations which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code. So the USDA in this case are acting for the CADP. Still waiting Sky's (Brailsford's) statement if any about Michael Barry admitting to doping.
Paul W
Yes, thats the same for most doping bodies. BUT, its up to your own body to ban you. The same as USADA couldn't ban Wiggo....I don't think??
so explains Barry and Hincapies retirements! 
Thinking we might see Levi retiring as well.
so explains Barry and Hincapies retirements!
Thinking we might see Levi retiring as well.
I don't think that is why they are retiring and I don't see Levi going either. They will get "non-bans" back dated to when they have admitted doping and maybe some titles/races taken away.
OR a ban that is short enough to be back in time for next season 
I wonder how Hincapie's brand will be now? Expect some super cheap cycling kit......NOT 
"I deeply regret that choice and sincerely apologize to my family, teammates and fans."
What about the young pros entering the sport after you, faced with the same decision as you due to your actions?
The Michael Barry one is very disappointing.
Not to me, i dont really care what he did back then, but sort of ruins Sky's whiter than whiter claim.
Brailsford made a big thing about David Millar never being able to join Sky but it seems he allowed dopers that weren't caught in and excluded dopers who were.
Of course Brailsford wasn't to know as Barry lied to him im sure.
I think this marks a watershed though and (if not already) clean will outnumber dirty in peloton very soon.
Most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen" +11 riders who gave evidence named
im just hoping i dont read this line about Team Sky in 10 years time...
on a more important note i just got my first ever puncture on a road bike.
nightmare!
Wow! USADA must have dossiers on every team since the inception of USPS Pro Cycling team to make the statement,
"... US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."
I wonder if USADA will be turning all those dossiers over to the UCI as well?
I'm also curious about the amount of US taxpayer money actually spent on these investigations. And I wonder how it compares to all the MILLIONS of $'s the US government has wasted and continues to waste on military funding. Many years ago the US government was buying hammers that cost 1000's of dollars and I imagine those same hammers are costing hundreds of thousands now!
Pepita rides again!
Sounds like USADA really do have the smoking gun. If I was bjarne Riis, I'd be rather concerned right about... now.
Less a smoking gun, more a flamethrower that's still turned on with the dial set to 11...
As Lance famously said 'It's not about the bike'
antonio
Wonder if Wiggins will say anything about the Tour winning advice Lance gave him.......
Reading through this, Brailsford needs to come out man. Sky stink of sh!t with this dossier.
Yates - Ex Doper and ex Team mate of Lance.
Barry, Leinders.
Transparency, yeh, we can see straight through you Dave!
If I read an article on the L'Equipe site correctly none of the evidence used by the USDA was provided from the US Federal Investigation. Makes you wonder why that investigation was shelved. The people I really feel sorry for in all this are the US cycling fans who finally had their sport come into the public view only to be betrayed by their idol.
Paul W
Michael Barry being included was a suprise, but I should have worked it out yesterday. I looked for his statement regarding Landis' accusations on his personal website after reading another forum on here about Paul Kimmage. Strangely it had been removed.
Gkam84: The body with responsibility for managing a "result" (i.e. the body that found the evidence generally) has the authority to issue the sanction. They inform WADA and any governing bodies involved of their finding (who may appeal, either way). So yes, USADA has the authority to sanction Wiggins, were it ever to have reason to open an investigation into him (though, that's less likely I think). Is my understanding…
Update: USADAs' protocol states that it has jurisdiction over, amongst others, "b. Any Athlete participating at an Event or Competition sanctioned by the USOC or a NGB or participating at an Event or Competition in the United States sanctioned by an IF;" and also "c. any foreign Athlete who is present in the United States;".
Paul W: It's been reported that when USADA interviewed people who had previously given testimony to the grand jury, that one of the federal prosecutors sat there with a copy of that previous testimony and checked whether everything matched.
Gkam84: The body with responsibility for managing a "result" (i.e. the body that found the evidence generally) has the authority to issue the sanction. They inform WADA and any governing bodies involved of their finding (who may appeal, either way). So yes, USADA has the authority to sanction Wiggins, were it ever to have reason to open an investigation into him (though, that's less likely I think). Is my understanding…
So in theory, WADA, UCI, CADP and Michael Barry could all appeal the decision?
The only reason I am picking him out, is he is the only rider to be named and suspended/banned that does not hold an American license, so USADA has the say over the rest. Just confused about riders that fall under different doping agencies
Oh No, the sh*t is well and truly going to hit the fan with the ban's........All riders will be clear by February next year.....
Each rider has received a six month ban. Vande Velde has been banned from September 9 2012, and lost his results from June 4, 2004 through until April 30 2006. Danielson has been banned from September 1 2012, and loses his results from March 1 2005 until Semptember 23, 2006. Zabriskie's suspension starts from September 1, 2012 and he loses all results from May 12, 2003, until July 31st 2006
That is NOT going to sit well at all
Wonder if Wiggins will say anything about the Tour winning advice Lance gave him.......Reading through this, Brailsford needs to come out man. Sky stink of sh!t with this dossier.
Yates - Ex Doper and ex Team mate of Lance.
Barry, Leinders.Transparency, yeh, we can see straight through you Dave!
Well Yates I don't know, I suspect he was probably quite strongly anti-doping for DB to take him on. Leinders they're not working with any more, and as for Barry, well, do BMC smell for having George riding? Sorry, but aside from Yates, it sounds like you're looking for a conspiracy theory. But since DB is transparent, what do you think they're up to?
Update: excerpt from Barry's website:
"From 2006 until the end of my career in 2012, I chose to race for teams that took a strong stance against doping. Although I never confessed to my past, I wrote and spoke about the need for change."
Can't see how that makes Sky look bad at all, it actually implies that even from the inside, Sky's anti-doping stance is the real deal.
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Another thing. Vande Velde gave this interview not long ago as part of the Millar documentary.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vP1WuyXcv6g#t=490s
Gtkam84: Also US Cycling and World Triathlon.
Basically, USADA hands out its finding (which may include a sanction) and informs the relevant athletes, governing bodies (national and/or international) + WADA. Each of those have the right to appeal (usually national level independent arbitration first, then CAS - but at least international bodies, like UCI and WADA, have the right to appeal straight to CAS).
However, for the athletes named in the Armstrong finding, such as Michael Barry, they have reduced sanctions because they co-operated and already agreed to the finding. I'm not 100% sure whether they have signed away the right to appeal, but it would be very unusual to appeal a light sentence 
.
They won't be appealing. I was just interested how it works with banning or suspending a rider from another nation without it going through all the governing bodies.
The reason they won't be appeal is the VERY SOFT sentence's given that I posted above. 6 Months from the start of September, takes them up to the start of February. It stinks and UCI should do something about it and extend their bans to including at least some racing period.
I think I'm just about done with Pro cycling now. Its all coming out and everyone is going to get off with it. Apart from losing some of their races. They won't be banned from cycling really.....
The point about Barry though is that he's retired.
Dave Brailsford was just on Radio 5 talking about how disappointed he was about Barry and that Barry had lied to them about his past when they took him on - or at least not admitted to it, obviously if he had he wouldn't have been hired. Also sounded like if he hadn't retired he would be looking for a new team as Brailsford reiterated Sky's zero tolerance policy.
That will be the zero tolerance policy which allows them to employ ex dopers and dopers doctors
Paul W
I think all these riders should form a team on their own next season. WUTD Team (We used to dope) and then donate any winnings, salaries...etc to charity.
That would look better than a "non-ban" as I'm calling it.
I want to see massive bans for them, yes they may have helped uncover and get Armstrong banned for life. But 6 months ban which covers the off season.....Nah nah nah, Most if not all of them have always denied doping or any knowledge of it. But all of a sudden have come clean as a group for "non-bans".....I hope the UCI steps up and finds it balls.
Not to appeal any of them to CAS, but to extend them to a reasonable time period. Two years would see most of them retire because of their age.
So a systematic program of doping that never led to a positive test!? 
Cycling Canada's statement
http://www.cyclingcanada.ca/sport/cycling/news/cycling-canada-statement-...
Tygart thanked the rider for their bravery in coming forward and also backed calls for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission - an idea floated by UCI President, Pat McQuaid - as the best way for cycling to move on and establish a new culture of clean competition.
Yes a Truth and Reconciliation Commission may be the only sensible way forward at least it may to sear the canker and end all the ranker, but please do not let any commission be set this up under the auspices of the UCI. I do not think an organisation suspected of major carpet lifting over a number of years (and possibly therefore an important off stage player in the whole sordid saga) could possibly seen as appropriate for such a role.
G
I think all these riders should form a team on their own next season. WUTD Team (We used to dope) and then donate any winnings, salaries...etc to charity.That would look better than a "non-ban" as I'm calling it.
I want to see massive bans for them, yes they may have helped uncover and get Armstrong banned for life. But 6 months ban which covers the off season.....Nah nah nah, Most if not all of them have always denied doping or any knowledge of it. But all of a sudden have come clean as a group for "non-bans".....I hope the UCI steps up and finds it balls.
Not to appeal any of them to CAS, but to extend them to a reasonable time period. Two years would see most of them retire because of their age.
The bans are in line with what the UCI gave Contador, a two year stripping of results. Contadors ban only had 6 months of actual suspension going forwards, in this case though the two years is so far in the past that they don't overlap so the six months is an additional punishment.
Can't see how the UCI can possibly appeal those as they sound like they're in line with their own practices.
I'm pretty sure Contador got a two year ban, back dated
Alberto Contador is sanctioned with a two-year period of ineligibility starting retroactively on 25 January 2011, minus the period of the provisional suspension served in 2010-2011 (5 months and 19 days). The suspension should therefore come to an end on 5 August 2012.
http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5649/5048/0/Media20Release20_En...
I think there could be a book in this 
... ... need more speed!
Only a book.....this has, book, movie, action figures and all the other things that make people money written all over it......anyone wanna help me pitch it to a movie company and Armstrong
A zero-tolerance policy that punishes active riders, but no one else, is symptomatic of the flawed attitudes in cycling toward doping.
For the riders probably have the *least* influence on doping, and the rest the most. The riders are mostly young guys. Often quite new to the cycling world - even the experienced riders still are "green" compared to the people running the sport. Often eager to please their teams and team mates (the star team-mates particularly).
The team owners, principals, DSes, doctors and soigneurs have the most influence. Between them they have control of the contracts, the financial incentives, they have oversight of their riders' training plans, itineraries, medical history. It is *these* people who (together with governing bodies) are, collectively, the most to blame for doping in cycling.
So long as anti-doping policies focus so much on the guys at the bottom of the heap - the riders - and fail to tackle the ones above them who have the actual responsibility, doping will remain a recurring problem.
Darthshearer wrote:Wonder if Wiggins will say anything about the Tour winning advice Lance gave him.......Reading through this, Brailsford needs to come out man. Sky stink of sh!t with this dossier.
Yates - Ex Doper and ex Team mate of Lance.
Barry, Leinders.Transparency, yeh, we can see straight through you Dave!
Well Yates I don't know, I suspect he was probably quite strongly anti-doping for DB to take him on. Leinders they're not working with any more, and as for Barry, well, do BMC smell for having George riding? Sorry, but aside from Yates, it sounds like you're looking for a conspiracy theory. But since DB is transparent, what do you think they're up to?
Update: excerpt from Barry's website:
"From 2006 until the end of my career in 2012, I chose to race for teams that took a strong stance against doping. Although I never confessed to my past, I wrote and spoke about the need for change."Can't see how that makes Sky look bad at all, it actually implies that even from the inside, Sky's anti-doping stance is the real deal.
Yates tested positive and worked with Armstrong...........
Sky stance was not to work with anyone with a doping background.
Not forgetting Fabio Bartalucci and Morris Possoni
Exactly and Dave Bruyneel has the audacity to go on Radio5 and say Sky have had no connection with doping.
GTFO Brailsford.
Also, isnt it funny how Sky announce Leinders employment termination 24h before this all comes out?
notfastenough wrote:Darthshearer wrote:Wonder if Wiggins will say anything about the Tour winning advice Lance gave him.......Reading through this, Brailsford needs to come out man. Sky stink of sh!t with this dossier.
Yates - Ex Doper and ex Team mate of Lance.
Barry, Leinders.Transparency, yeh, we can see straight through you Dave!
Well Yates I don't know, I suspect he was probably quite strongly anti-doping for DB to take him on. Leinders they're not working with any more, and as for Barry, well, do BMC smell for having George riding? Sorry, but aside from Yates, it sounds like you're looking for a conspiracy theory. But since DB is transparent, what do you think they're up to?
Update: excerpt from Barry's website:
"From 2006 until the end of my career in 2012, I chose to race for teams that took a strong stance against doping. Although I never confessed to my past, I wrote and spoke about the need for change."Can't see how that makes Sky look bad at all, it actually implies that even from the inside, Sky's anti-doping stance is the real deal.
Yates tested positive and worked with Armstrong...........
Sky stance was not to work with anyone with a doping background.
Absolutely, and I'm not arguing that DB has made a bit of a rod for his own back with the way that has been expressed, but he has also changed that position slightly by conceding that you can't run a top-flight team with sufficiently experienced people untouched by drug scandals. Yates has his past, just as people like Vaughters do, but I'm pretty sure he must have expressed a fairly anti-doping stance to get the job. If they had immediately binned Leinders when allegations were made, that would have just looked reactionary and not thought through. As for Barry, the team is in the same boat as BMC.
So, my question is, why does Sky stink? What is it you think they are hiding?
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Darthshearer wrote:notfastenough wrote:Darthshearer wrote:Wonder if Wiggins will say anything about the Tour winning advice Lance gave him.......Reading through this, Brailsford needs to come out man. Sky stink of sh!t with this dossier.
Yates - Ex Doper and ex Team mate of Lance.
Barry, Leinders.Transparency, yeh, we can see straight through you Dave!
Well Yates I don't know, I suspect he was probably quite strongly anti-doping for DB to take him on. Leinders they're not working with any more, and as for Barry, well, do BMC smell for having George riding? Sorry, but aside from Yates, it sounds like you're looking for a conspiracy theory. But since DB is transparent, what do you think they're up to?
Update: excerpt from Barry's website:
"From 2006 until the end of my career in 2012, I chose to race for teams that took a strong stance against doping. Although I never confessed to my past, I wrote and spoke about the need for change."Can't see how that makes Sky look bad at all, it actually implies that even from the inside, Sky's anti-doping stance is the real deal.
Yates tested positive and worked with Armstrong...........
Sky stance was not to work with anyone with a doping background.
Absolutely, and I'm not arguing that DB has made a bit of a rod for his own back with the way that has been expressed, but he has also changed that position slightly by conceding that you can't run a top-flight team with sufficiently experienced people untouched by drug scandals. Yates has his past, just as people like Vaughters do, but I'm pretty sure he must have expressed a fairly anti-doping stance to get the job. If they had immediately binned Leinders when allegations were made, that would have just looked reactionary and not thought through. As for Barry, the team is in the same boat as BMC.
So, my question is, why does Sky stink? What is it you think they are hiding?
All their possible connections with doping and their recent perfomnces all linked to a training camp in Tenerife!
How can Froome go from a half decent TT finishing in the mid 30s to suddenly p!ssing on everyone and becoming a GC contendor by just going to a few training camps in Tenerife?
There is a bit in the report with an extract from Dr. Ferrari advised the use of hypoxic chambers to reduce the effectiveness of the EPO test in detecting theuse of synthetic EPO.
Regular training at altitude (such as at St. Moritz, Tenerife or Aspen)would achieve a similar result
Coincidence?!?!?!
Yates was a bloody DS at USP, you're telling me a DS doesnt know who is or isnt doping? Barry TOLD him he was doping yet they still employed him at Sky!!!
I don't believe Sky are doping, but their zero tolerance policy has failed again. I am currently reading Hincapie's affidavit on the Wall Street Journal site. He talks about himself, Kevin Livingstone and a rider whose name has been redacted living in Como. This unnamed rider went on to do well at the 1996 Vuelta after using EPO.
Who lived in Como, rode for Motorola and finished in the top 10 of the 1996 Vuelta? Bobby Julich. Currently coach at Team Sky!
I don't believe Sky are doping, but their zero tolerance policy has failed again. I am currently reading Hincapie's affidavit on the Wall Street Journal site. He talks about himself, Kevin Livingstone and a rider whose name has been redacted living in Como. This unnamed rider went on to do well at the 1996 Vuelta after using EPO.
Who lived in Como, rode for Motorola and finished in the top 10 of the 1996 Vuelta? Bobby Julich. Currently coach at Team Sky!
*bang*
Their world is falling down on them.
Froome best stay in hiding!
I'm pretty sure Contador got a two year ban, back datedQuote:Alberto Contador is sanctioned with a two-year period of ineligibility starting retroactively on 25 January 2011, minus the period of the provisional suspension served in 2010-2011 (5 months and 19 days). The suspension should therefore come to an end on 5 August 2012.http://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/document/5649/5048/0/Media20Release20_English_2012.02.06.pdf
Yes, Contador's ban was back dated but in essence, so were the bans handed out to the USPS riders. Backdated so far in the past that they're pretty much irrelevant so they've given them additional 6 month bans too.
I don't really see how these differ from Contador, it's just that their doping happened so long ago that a standard 2 year backdated ban which the UCI seems to favour becomes a back dated disqualification and nothing more. The USADA couldn't really hand out 2 year future bands for these riders when in recent cases involviing Contador and others (Bauge?) the UCI and WADA have imposed backdated bans.
I don't believe Sky are doping, but their zero tolerance policy has failed again. I am currently reading Hincapie's affidavit on the Wall Street Journal site. He talks about himself, Kevin Livingstone and a rider whose name has been redacted living in Como. This unnamed rider went on to do well at the 1996 Vuelta after using EPO.
Who lived in Como, rode for Motorola and finished in the top 10 of the 1996 Vuelta? Bobby Julich. Currently coach at Team Sky!
Dave Brailsford has acknowledged though that the zero-tolerance policy is impossible to enforce when it comes to staff. All that he or indeed any team can do is put in place procedures to ensure that, no matter what riders/staff did in the past, they have no chance to do it again, whether they want to or not.
In that respect, he (and several other teams) have succeeded.
It gets worse! Leipheimer's affidavit states he attended one of Dr. Ferrari's training camps in Tenerife with riders including Vino, Kashechkin, Popopvych and MICHAEL ROGERS!
Leipheimer also says that he and an unnamed team mate doped at 2007 Tour de France, less certain who this could be, but possibly Contador.
Vande Velde says in his affidavit that there was no organised doping program at CSC when he rode for them in 2007. Riis must be relieved about that.
Strange that Leipheimer was given the same sentence as the others (2 years reduced to 6 months) when it was his second offense. The first was a positive after winning the 1996 US Amateur National Criterium Championship. Shouldn't he be given an 8 year sentence, which is then reduced to 2 for cooperating?
PS. http://joepapp.blogspot.nl/2010/04/levi-leipheimer-tested-positive-for.html
Yates just been on 5Live, what an embarrassing thing for himself and Sky.
He didnt see or hear of any doping with Lance.
BULL SHEET!
What about the others Yates?
George, Bertie, Levi, Popoyvch, Gusev etc.
It gets worse! Leipheimer's affidavit states he attended one of Dr. Ferrari's training camps in Tenerife with riders including Vino, Kashechkin, Popopvych and MICHAEL ROGERS!
The Rogers bit is bad for Sky, the others I'm not surprised about.
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OMG Now Alex Dowsett is saying Lance is a legend and it doesnt matter,
PR Fail for Sky today, its class 
OMG Now Alex Dowsett is saying Lance is a legend and it doesnt matter,PR Fail for Sky today, its class
Yep, just saw that on the BBC site - Dave B ain't going to be a happy man.
TBH I haven't really got behind the whole Team Sky thing but did record the series behind the scenes and they won me over a tad.
Now though, cycling is just being tainted in my eyes.
It's a double edged sword - cycling finally becoming popular - this happens! - back to square one.
Other side - cycling finally becomes popular - this happens - roads are clearer again!
Darthshearer: IF doping has been reducing in the peloton over the last few seasons (e.g. cause of blood passport), then you would expect the top riders to change. You would expect that talented, clean riders would start doing much better, as their competitors who achieved their results on dope started to do worse for lack of it. IF doping still is rife, then such changes in performance may be due to a previously clean rider starting to dope.
We just can't know, unfortunately. It all depends on how effective the blood passport has been (cause direct testing for EPO is more or less futile it appears).
Re Tenerife: It's pretty obvious why riders go there to train. It's in the Atlantic at African latitudes, so even in winter the weather is mild. It's got a massive volcanic mountain in the centre of it. It's got a hotel at altitude. Basically, the place is ideal for winter training - where else in EU can you live at altitude & have incredibly long climbs to train on in winter? (The european mountains are treacherously cold, even inaccessible at that time). Cyclists have been doing winter training in Tenerife for at least decades because of this.
Darthshearer - the whole point of this release was to explain why USADA have gone down this route and release the findings.
Funny it never mentions the report was solely about Sky ? or have i missed something or am i being to hypocritical about your comments, a bit like Lance saying he never doped, you go on about Sky the same way.
Its blatantly obvious you dont like them, and have every right to state that, so i personally hope they go on to win everything and really spoil your day
Stumpy
Lance doped ... what really?
Me, Myself and I
As for Barry, Yates and Rogers et al if they didnt admit to taking gear when they were signed by Sky - how were Sky to know. Its the same as all the riders, just look at VandeVelde and Danielson with Garmin - they claim to be a squeeky clean team.
On a seperate point if you put in the riders names on Wikipedia they already have a line through or have written on void on their results
Stumpy
Stump, I have no love for Sky because they are supported by a man who thought it was ok to phone tap peoples phones.
They are always preeching they are whiter than white, holier than thou and now they are slowly up to their necks in it.
They fire Leinders and within 24h this hits the emails, coincidence?
Go put your Sky kit on and stand around posing with your Dogma, it wont be me who has my day spoilt, ill be laughing at Dave getting egg on his face at the "Transparcency" Team Sky have.
Given what this will do for the public perception of pro cycling (i.e. They're all doped up to the gills). I think this will probably t-bone Sir Bradley or Wigginshire's chances of scooping SPOTY this year.
Grrrr.....
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Stump, I have no love for Sky because they are supported by a man who thought it was ok to phone tap peoples phones.They are always preeching they are whiter than white, holier than thou and now they are slowly up to their necks in it.
They fire Leinders and within 24h this hits the emails, coincidence?
Go put your Sky kit on and stand around posing with your Dogma, it wont be me who has my day spoilt, ill be laughing at Dave getting egg on his face at the "Transparcency" Team Sky have.
Lol, dont own any Sky kit but i can afford a Dogma if i wanted one, as for phone tapping, its not a new thing invented by Murdoch you know but if your that nieve to believe it then go ahead mate. 
Stumpy
Stump, I have no love for Sky because they are supported by a man who thought it was ok to phone tap peoples phones.They are always preeching they are whiter than white, holier than thou and now they are slowly up to their necks in it.
They fire Leinders and within 24h this hits the emails, coincidence?
Go put your Sky kit on and stand around posing with your Dogma, it wont be me who has my day spoilt, ill be laughing at Dave getting egg on his face at the "Transparcency" Team Sky have.
What a weird rationale. I experienced awful service and rude staff from Etihad airways once* - do you think I should blame Manchester City FC?
Clearly the Leinders thing has been going through the wash for a while, what link are you trying to form? Just saying "Coincidence?" makes you look like a conspiracy nut. Did the CIA orchestrate 911 as well?
They might well have made a rod for their own backs with a staunch anti-doping stance, but what would you prefer?
"Well, we'll try really hard to be anti-doping, but, you know, if the lads are shooting up in the hotel rooms behind our backs then you can't blame us gov!" Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't be having a go at them for that instead. (along with the rest of us, to be fair)
Tell you what, rather than reach for the stars, maybe they just lower their sights a bit and be more British - gallant losers and that. That'll do.
PS. I have no Sky kit or a Dogma.
*Not true, just hypothetical
Dodging the saccadic masking
Darthshearer wrote:Stump, I have no love for Sky because they are supported by a man who thought it was ok to phone tap peoples phones.They are always preeching they are whiter than white, holier than thou and now they are slowly up to their necks in it.
They fire Leinders and within 24h this hits the emails, coincidence?
Go put your Sky kit on and stand around posing with your Dogma, it wont be me who has my day spoilt, ill be laughing at Dave getting egg on his face at the "Transparcency" Team Sky have.
What a weird rationale. I experienced awful service and rude staff from Etihad airways once* - do you think I should blame Manchester City FC?
Clearly the Leinders thing has been going through the wash for a while, what link are you trying to form? Just saying "Coincidence?" makes you look like a conspiracy nut. Did the CIA orchestrate 911 as well?
They might well have made a rod for their own backs with a staunch anti-doping stance, but what would you prefer?
"Well, we'll try really hard to be anti-doping, but, you know, if the lads are shooting up in the hotel rooms behind our backs then you can't blame us gov!" Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't be having a go at them for that instead. (along with the rest of us, to be fair)
Tell you what, rather than reach for the stars, maybe they just lower their sights a bit and be more British - gallant losers and that. That'll do.
PS. I have no Sky kit or a Dogma.
*Not true, just hypothetical
Haha, i like to blame Man City for everything 
Stumpy
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