Jens Voigt smashes the Hour record in his final challenge

Simon_MacMichael wrote:

Flying Scot wrote:

like Lemond, Obree walked off the pro scene refusing to dope

This isn't a judgment on either of them, but LeMond was a pro for 15 years, and has glittering palmares; that's hardly comparable to Obree walking out at the start of his pro career.

It was around the same Time though, just as EPO came on the scene, I wasn't comparing the two, merely stating that I believe Graeme and his hour to be clean and reflecting it in the era.

zanf: early-onset male osteoporosis is rare, somewhere around 1 in 10,000 (it's actually hard to find good figures on very early onset male osteoporosis as most figures are for older men). Hard to know how many males are paedophiles, but it's possibly between 0.1 to 1% of the population - reasonable orders of magnitude anyway. So 1 in 1000 to 1 in 100. The prevalance of corticosteroid abuse in cycling in the 90s and before is unknown, but 1 in 100 I would guess is almost certainly an under-estimate given what I've read from Kimmage and elsewhere, as even 1 in 2 might be.

So yes, based on just this information, there's a much greater probability (by potentially a 100 times) that I'm a paedophile than that Boardman's osteoporosis wasn't related to the steroid abuse rife then. Indeed, similarly, on this information, it's more likely Boardman is a paedophile!

Paul J wrote:

You can't draw a certain conclusion about Boardman, but the probabilities are clear. If you don't like that, then your problem is with reality, probabilistic outcomes and/or logic - not me.

So you are talking about Boardman ? Get your story straight... and if you've decided you're not talking about him again by the time I write this, then why not take your general facts on osteoporosis out of an article about Jens Voigts hour ride and on over to one of the BMJ forums. Fair enough ?

Paul J wrote:

If a fact makes you feel uncomfortable, it's not necessarily the fault of the messenger.

Insinuation is not a "message". It is gossip.

Quit being a hairdresser.

Paul J wrote:

I didn't say anything about Boardman, I was just pointing out general facts about osteoporosis in fit, active men.

Why don't you just get to the point instead of coming across as a snide ass then ?

flobble wrote:

Some interesting equipment choices:

No covers on the Trek shoes, though he uses them in other TTs (probably so the shoes appear in PR shots)

Overshoes have been banned on the track for the last couple of years IIRC

flobble wrote:

Some interesting equipment choices:

No covers on the Trek shoes, though he uses them in other TTs (probably so the shoes appear in PR shots)
Stubby helmet vs teardrop aero style, despite the more controlled environment reducing the need to look around (is this a UCI thing?)
Looks like a SRM power meter head unit on the back of his saddle.
What's the rectangular bump in his shorts behind his left thigh?

20 Rothmans?

flobble wrote:

Some interesting equipment choices:

Stubby helmet vs teardrop aero style, despite the more controlled environment reducing the need to look around (is this a UCI thing?)
Looks like a SRM power meter head unit on the back of his saddle.

Helmet - probably personal choice. The GB track team wear a stubby one too.
SRM - he had live data logging but he's not allowed to see it or a speedo while riding so the unit was saddle mounted.

flobble wrote:

Some interesting equipment choices:

No covers on the Trek shoes, though he uses them in other TTs (probably so the shoes appear in PR shots)
Stubby helmet vs teardrop aero style, despite the more controlled environment reducing the need to look around (is this a UCI thing?)
Looks like a SRM power meter head unit on the back of his saddle.
What's the rectangular bump in his shorts behind his left thigh?

I think the helmet is a case that unless you can hold your head steady, there really is no point to teardrop helmets, every time you nod an airbrake goes up. As for the SRM I am sure I read the point is man against clock no assistance and no guidance beyond the man in the in field. Recording the data I assume is as much for when Cancellara makes his attempt as anything else.

Must be Mad wrote:

Ah good, so watching a race is proof positive that the winner is doping now???
You grab the pitchforks, I'll bring the tar and feathers.

oh, the irony.

RobD wrote:

The only shame was that the music wasn't louder in the eurosport coverage to make it a bit more of a party atmosphere.

I thought the same but it could well have been down to copyright issues / having to pay royalties if they were broadcast.

I myself was welling up at the end and was overjoyed for the guy when he did it. Couldnt believe that he was grinning ear to ear and looked as though he could go for more!

RobD wrote:

Watched this on Eurosport last night, my girlfriend got really in to it too, so much so that she's asked if we can go and watch some track cycling live somewhere, so an extra thank you Jens for that, and a fantastic ride, a great way to cement his name in history.
The only shame was that the music wasn't louder in the eurosport coverage to make it a bit more of a party atmosphere.

I hope my missus does not say the same; my nearest track is 160 miles away I may have to use one of those new horseless carriages to get there

RobD wrote:

Watched this on Eurosport last night, my girlfriend got really in to it too, so much so that she's asked if we can go and watch some track cycling live somewhere, so an extra thank you Jens for that, and a fantastic ride, a great way to cement his name in history.
The only shame was that the music wasn't louder in the eurosport coverage to make it a bit more of a party atmosphere.

That would have drowned out the high-quality commentary from Kirby.