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Giro Stage 3

I knew I should have stuck with the danes.
Mads is in the break.

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wolvestopdog replied to Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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change of subjet but why is there no points for brakeaway riders ?

There should be a point or two here and there, because the break took the KoM and sprint today

But they don't get breakaway points as given in the classic's

cheers for that may aswell stick with leading or top 5 ,classification riders and still pick up points

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Gkam84 replied to obutterwick | 12 years ago
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Brilliant. Ferrari now last man home. Does that mean he scores points instead of Phinney?

Ferrari wont be last even because of his demotion because he just gets put to the back of the group he finished in. Phinney will be last because he was last over the line but will keep GC because it was in the last 3km

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Stefan | 12 years ago
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If Phinney is in the GC then all of my riders score  1 I couldn't afford Cav without taking out Goss and someone else.

It seems odd to me that Ferrari should take that line, when a potentially better line was off to his left, I would certainly be in favour of him taking a penalty there, if not removal from the race, it was a horrendous line!

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noddy69 | 12 years ago
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Ferraris move was dangerous , how people are arguing it wasnt I dont know. It wasnt even close to being safe,in the heat of the Giro he lost his composure.
If cav swerves to avoid him he risks taking everyone else out and he really would have had to move, he cant break thats unsafe too. So In my humble opinion he got what he deserved in being demoted, it might make him think next time.

As for phinney continuing which is reported. Didnt he cross the line in an ambulance? Does this not mean he did not finish the stage and is out? Or did he cross line before he got in?

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veseunr | 12 years ago
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Film of Phinney's ankle  31

Oops ... yes Phinney of course - thanks Gkam.

I was thinking of Stage 20!  4

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Rvizzle | 12 years ago
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Jesus, missed it live but just caught up. Hope Cav is alright, looked terrible. Safe to say that's my squad knackered!

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veseunr | 12 years ago
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10 points for Farrar finishing last!

Full classification on gazetta.it

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Gkam84 replied to veseunr | 12 years ago
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10 points for Farrar finishing last!

Phinney you mean  3 and he is still listed as the leader and not withdrawn  4

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Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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1 GOSS Matthew Harley
2 HAEDO Juan Jose'
3 FARRAR Tyler
4 DEMARE Arnaud
5 RENSHAW Mark
6 HUSHOVD Thor
7 KRISTOFF Alexander
8 FEILLU Romain
9 BEPPU Fumiyuki
10 GUARDINI Andrea
11 RASMUSSEN Alex
12 SOUPE Geoffrey
13 BAUER Jack
14 SCHORN Daniel
15 NIZZOLO Giacomo
16 BELLETTI Manuel
17 VENTOSO ALBERDI Francisco
18 HUNTER Robert
19 FAVILLI EliaI
20 VAITKUS Tomas

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obutterwick | 12 years ago
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Beer anyone?

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Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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Ferrari has been dropped to 192nd home  14

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Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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Rather than everyone's love of Cav clouding their judgement  3

I'm being impartial, Cav moans like hell about everyone else, but then does everything he moans about. I may not be his biggest fan, but i'm looking at this as i would any incident. I don't think Ferrari is in the wrong, he moved to give himself a chance of winning because he had move speed. If Cav had moved slight to his right, there was plenty of room, Cav didn't even try that.

Maybe there wasn't time, it would have been a split second choice. But Ferrari was ahead and in a sprint, your entitled to go for the line you would and i think his move was fair and not a dangerous one, Just because it caused a crash, doesn't make it dangerous, Cav could have moved

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Wig_Billy replied to Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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Rather than everyone's love of Cav clouding their judgement  3

I'm being impartial, Cav moans like hell about everyone else, but then does everything he moans about. I may not be his biggest fan, but i'm looking at this as i would any incident. I don't think Ferrari is in the wrong, he moved to give himself a chance of winning because he had move speed. If Cav had moved slight to his right, there was plenty of room, Cav didn't even try that.

Maybe there wasn't time, it would have been a split second choice. But Ferrari was ahead and in a sprint, your entitled to go for the line you would and i think his move was fair and not a dangerous one, Just because it caused a crash, doesn't make it dangerous, Cav could have moved

2.3.036 Sprints
Riders shall be strictly forbidden to deviate from the lane they selected when launching into the sprint and, in so doing, endangering others.

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Gkam84 replied to Wig_Billy | 12 years ago
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2.3.036 Sprints
Riders shall be strictly forbidden to deviate from the lane they selected when launching into the sprint and, in so doing, endangering others.

Thats all fine and well, but i would have said Ferrari launched his sprint in the movement to go round Farrar, not sooner

Anyways, he's been dropped to last home in the bunch

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veseunr | 12 years ago
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Favilli ... superb bike control  13

Did he use Cav as a ramp or just clean jump over?!

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frankiejay replied to veseunr | 12 years ago
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Favilli ... superb bike control  13

Did he use Cav as a ramp or just clean jump over?!

Hard to tell but it looks clean like he didn't even touch him.

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Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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Well he's Italian, so dont count on him being punished  3

But to me, its racing, his move was ok, he had more speed, you can't just get up to speed and then stay behind someone slower, you'd cause a crash, so yes his move may have caught out Cav, but Cav could have moved aswell, like everyone has to when he swings round people, Cav didn't move at all

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Wig_Billy replied to Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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Well he's Italian, so dont count on him being punished  3

But to me, its racing, his move was ok, he had more speed, you can't just get up to speed and then stay behind someone slower, you'd cause a crash, so yes his move may have caught out Cav, but Cav could have moved aswell, like everyone has to when he swings round people, Cav didn't move at all

I think your dislike of Cav is affecting your judgement.

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TERatcliffe26 | 12 years ago
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An extra 10 points as last man home? Think I will axe him though and risk having no BMC riders

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frankiejay | 12 years ago
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By the way, the unsung hero here is Elia Favilli who bunny-hopped Cavendish when he was spread eagle on the ground. If not for that we may be having an entirely different conversation!

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Gkam84 replied to frankiejay | 12 years ago
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By the way, the unsung hero here is Elia Favilli who bunny-hopped Cavendish when he was spread eagle on the ground. If not for that we may be having an entirely different conversation!

Yeah that was a great move, bunny'd right over him, then his team mate slammed right into Cav. I can see it being the end of his race aswell, not many more flat stages left and if he's got a knock, he'll be out to recover for TdF

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TERatcliffe26 | 12 years ago
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and i wasn't saying he should necessarily be punished, i just thought it was poor

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frankiejay | 12 years ago
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So, with Phinney out, I would say BMC no longer favorites for the TTT. Gotta be one of four teams, right?

Garmin
Sky
BMC
Green Edge

Who you got?

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chrisdstripes | 12 years ago
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From cycling news 2 mins ago - Taylor Phinney is back on his feet and retains his overall lead.

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TERatcliffe26 | 12 years ago
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its the danger of the move, its not a slight deviation its a violent movement...in my book it was pretty poor.
To me it shouldn't matter if he was ahead, he should be more aware before making such a dramatic move.

Same as Rosberg in the F1 last week

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Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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Really?? People saying Ferrari should be punished?

Thats a racing incident, its not mirror, signal, manoeuvre in racing, it is what it is

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Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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I wouldn't say it was poor from Ferrari, He was ahead of Cav, moving for position to get his sprint going. Its the sort of thing Cav likes to moan about but does himself all the time

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veseunr | 12 years ago
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Ferrari could well be disqualified too .... seen people thrown out for less!

(Remember Hushovd v Cav in Inter Sprint TdF?)

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chrisdstripes | 12 years ago
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Question from a layman - what happens in this situation with Ferrari? Will he come in for any punishment, or is it just seen as part of the racing?

If Phinney crossed in the ambulance then is that a Welshman in the Pink Jersey? Not the way he would've wanted it, but chuffed for Thomas all the same if thats the case. Gutted for Phinney.

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frankiejay | 12 years ago
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OK, BMC saying he is out.

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