i just orderd one of these!

Chinarello?? Your link just puts me to a wholesale china website, i wouldn't touch those sites in my own experience, you'll get nowt and lose your money, if your going to buy a frame from china, do it through ebay

Hmm.

It's not as glitzy as the Pinarello web site, is it!

If you search for Dogma, you can find lots of the nice, genuine frames listed.

"Full carbob frame+fork+headset Excellet workmanship"

" No worry about the quality of the frames. We only offer the best ones."

What could possibly go wrong?

Further more to my comments

This is worse than the normal china wholesale sites as its lots of different sellers on there, so a Chinese ebay style site

Cancel your payment through you bank as "fraud" right now if i was you

i hope you have good life insurance

I wouldn't say that Cervelo, some of the frames coming from the far east are quite good.............if they arrive

despite the slightly negative comments above if yer willing to take a punt on it then good luck to you. as ive said elsewhere, are these frames any different to the cheaper end carbon frames from the likes of Ribble, Hind, Planet x etc etc?

let us know how you get on.

I'll be interested in following how you get on. Keep us posted.

Did you see the Top Gear episode recently which showed the fake minis and Toyotas etc? Seemed to be perfectly serviceble, if lacking a little quality.

The difference between this and Ribble/PX etc is probably the lack of a CE mark. Not forgetting the UCI sticker!

If it doesn't fall apart and it looks good, then more power to your elbow sir. Scrap the Shimano 105 though. Fake Campag EPS Super Record on a Pinarello, surely?

its been ordered through DHgate, and they dont release my money through paypal until its been deleivered, and checked! im keeping an eye on my money.

im probably just as concerned as all the rest but thought for once ide take a punt! and yes i saw the top gear prog!

14 days til it (hopefully) gets here. i will keep you all posted. now where can i get a fake campag eps super record groupset from?

yeah didnt think of that one, also if it does fail on you its far easier to contact PX etc etc (and get a replacement).

mind you think i'm just gonna carry on saving the pennies for something else..(handmade and 953 i suspect, mmmm. nice.)

I think it will be a while before you can get a fake EPS system, but there are plenty of other fake parts out there

Post us some pics when you get it we'd be really interested to have a look

been window shopping on the net, and come to realise that ultegra goes for about the same price as 105 gear?

im newish to road stuff, as been racing xc for a few years, and decided to do some serious road miles around W Sussex.been using my trusty 2010 trek 1.5, but its dirty, and i need to upgrade............
what sort of wheelset can i get for around £350? hopefully they be lightish too?

as soon as the frame turns up i will post some pictures, and comments.

Check these out..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FULCRUM-RACING-3-BLACK-CLINCHER-SHIMANO-FIT-PA...

you would get a much better frame on ebay or ribble for the same money.Just stay away from Pinarello as they are faked so much,the quality of these frames tend to be very poor.Usally around the bottom bracket area.You can often pick up a secondhand scott cr1 or giant tcr for around the same price and you know that way you are going to get a frame that performs well.With a real dogma your paying for high modules carbon( 60HMM1K carbon by Torayca with nanoalloy )and a wind tunnel tested frame.just copying the shape from a photo in a lower grade material dont cut it.Trying to copy the asymetrics of this frame make it a much more difficult job and tends to give them an inferior result then a conventionally shaped frame.Hope you get lucky and get a good copy.let us know.

Bruv, if you're prepared, go for it.

It'll probably be fine.

They're all made in the same place anyway, no matter what anyone says.

i can understand some of the negativety, but someone has got to be the one of the 1st! the frame pictured, and frame giometry is all i and a few mates had to go by, and a couple of comments from our american cousins, and they all seemed positive! as for ebay, after some detective work it seems its the same company making all the frames.
i will find out good or bad soon enough. if it all goes tits up, at least i can inform everyone on here, and STW to keep clear. the saving grace is, DHgate dont release my money from paypal until ive opened the package and am happy with what ive got, and have contacted their site to do so.......! im hopeful that that will be my saviour.

i've used parts from the guys at flyxii.com. my experience was
good.

So, on another thread Dave Atkinson was flirting Pro-Lite Bracciano's at us all which got me (and probably the OP) drooling. However, in a shootout with the Fulcrum Racing 3's linked to by Mikeh789 above, does anyone have any opinions on a winner?

hes sent me pictures of my frame! how do i load them?

oh well

hope full it will end up looking pretty good.

Certainly looks a bit like a Pinarello

How much are you going to spend on it?

I've got a nearly new 175mm 105 crankset 53/39 with BB for sale .... probably better than putting a new one on!!

Are Pinarello's Italian thread? How about Chinarello's?!

Veseunr

its got an en bb 68!

probably try to keep the spending around the £800 mark, then its total price will be £1250. trying to keep it a bit sensible.
but who knows!!

Blimey. Comparing to the official shots on http://www.pinarello.com/eng/dogma2_carbon_616.php (click 'other colours, then 616 POS Blu' to see the colour scheme), I can see that the downtube cable looks like being externally routed on wheelz' frame, the 'Pina' graphic on the front of the seat tube is a different colour, but honestly, if your LBS was stocking these, at a favourable price, you think they wouldn't be snapped up?!

The UCI sticker also looks different/omitted, but I just found some identical (in terms of the above discrepancies) to Wheelz' frame on a Chinese site, and the UCI-approved sticker is indeed present.

Especially now that cycling is gaining so much in popularity, watch out for 'complete new Pinarello Dogma 2 - unridden - just £2000' on eBay.

They are all over Ebay already, thats why i would never touch a top end bike second hand through there

oh, righto!

I heard that Bradley got a bad one off eBay around last July and the rest is history!!

Got a better one for the Vuelta though!!

lets hope Cavs Pino`s ok for tomorrow....

mines been shipped, and im tracking it.

still unsure on what wheels to get? only £350 to spend on wheels....

Fulcrum Racing 3's?
Cosmic Elites?
Ksyrium Equipes?

American Classic 350 Sprint!

Not a bike, but link below is interesting when it comes to stuff that you really don't want to break but it is a Chinese copy....scroll to bottom pics.

http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/news-2/2011/02/11/warning-regarding-pres...

you can get ultegra 6700 wheels for £199. from planet x, fitted them with featherlight michelin tubes, ultremo r1 tyres and ultegra 6700 cassette. very light set up i think 2.4kg for the complete front and rear wheels inc tyres tube cassette. cost me £300 all in.

Dave on here raves about these:

http://road.cc/content/review/6577-pro-lite-bracciano-wheelset

you could try these ... http://m.bikeradar.com/gear/category/components/wheel-sets/product/mercu...

Mavic Cosmic Elite wheels are really good, and Planet X usually have tehm for about the £280 mark.

Good luck with the bike!

well boys it turned up last night. looks good so far, heres a picture taken from my phone. will post better ones when i get the camera out. still unsure whether to go 105 or Ultegra groupset?is it really worth the extra £250?
And im probably going to get mavic ksyrium equipe wheelset, theyre a good price at the moment.

oh and tht rug colour is her choice! like we get a say in these things.

Looks great, but how is it not going to attract the attention of the local trading standards dept!!?

I would go for Sram Rival - great price, great weight (some parts are lighter than Ultegra), good durability and performance, and looks perfect. It's supposed to be in competition with 105 and Campag Veloce but outweighs and out prices both quite well - it's more of a threat to Ultegra.

Well that's the first two tests passed - it turned up, and looks like they said it would!

hi guys/gals

Yep the 1st 2 things have happened. It turned up and it looks exactly like the photos he sent. Actually its better than I hoped it would be!! In a nice way.

As for the sram Rival, never really occured to me, ive been using the big S for years racing my xc bikes and never used Sram stuff before. So the Rival groupset is lighter than the 105 but cheaper than the Ultegra! I suppose it fits the same, as in the BB?

Got me thinking though, and doing a massive order on the WWW next week after a cheque clears!

Just a comment regarding SRAM - I use a mix of Rival and Apex, and it's causing me to learn quickly how to tune cable tension and derailleur movement limits etc as my new cable for the rear shifter settles in and loosens up. I don't know if Shimano or Campag transmission would be as fussy.

Other than that though, it is great kit.

thanks for that, all the shimano kit ive used never had any problems once its been set up, apart from the noram wear n tear!

any thoughts on tyres? ive been using conti gator hardshell and have`nt had any punctures this year........ yet!

are the gatorskins any good, they`re a fair bit lighter but is the punture proofing any good? plus they are a fair bit cheaper too.

wheelz - here's a review from 2009 (cycling weekly) about the updated version of the Sram Rival groupset - the guy even says that he thinks it is a *rival* to Dura Ace!!! (which i think is a very bold statement, if not a bit excitable!).

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/tech/gear/996/1/sram-rival-2009-groupset....

Well I'm still on my first set of tyres since getting back into cycling, so I can only say that I chose Schwalbe Blizzard Sport to get me through a Manchester (read: potholed, lot of road muck) winter, and I've only had 1 puncture, but did notice a few cuts in the rubber when changing the tube.

I should clarify my statement about SRAM - I believe cable tension/bedding in isn't unique to SRAM. Also, as I say I'm learning quick, and can't help feeling a little more confident about being out in the middle of nowhere, alone, in shocking weather!

Well guys/gals

Its nearly build time, the frame looks great (exactly the photos by box).
The build will be as follows:

Groupset Sram Rival
Wheels Mavic ksyrium equipes
Bars FSA wings
Tyres Vittoria Rubino Pro3 (great price)
Seatpost FSA carbon

Am just waiting on the rest to be delivered from CRC & Merlin

Cool stuff, do post some pics when done. I'd love to see a proper write-up as well if you can, I think a lot of people are interested in seeing how this turns out. Chapeau to you for having the balls to go for it!

No problem,

I will do a full picturial & written road test as soon as its built.

I will also tell all about how easy it was to build.

When ive put a few miles on it i will know better, its 1st (official....) run out in public will be the Greater Haywards Heath bike ride on April 1st.

I will add my 'hope it goes well' to the thread.

Enjoy the build process and that first ride.

very interesting read. Look forward to seeing you're full write up and pics once built!

The story so far. You all know the frame turned up, well so has 99% of the stuff im fitting (waiting on HongKong seatpost).... So the scary, but exciting task af the "build" started round my mates saturday at 9am, we know we have a 2hr window. Usual coffee, chat then a nervous spanner appears. 1st is the head bearing, no special tools here just a trusty piece of wood and a home made puller and its done. Next up the BB, that flies on and so does the crank, rear and front mechs. Exciting innit? Next up the wheels need tubes and tyres on, no problems there then. The end of part 1.
Honestly we`re all very interested in this project and so far so good, every part, screwthread, bearing face has been no different to any other known frame ive built.

Which seller on DHgate did you go through and was there any custom charges

the site i got mine from is on the 1st thread. The guy is called Walton. Hes realy helpful, i had loads of questions for him. My frame is the one in the pictures by a box, and the build up is going great (so far)and am just waiting on a seatpost so i can finish up, put the bars on, indexing and all the other silly things that tale for ever. Anyone set-up and indexed the Rival stuff on a new frame?

http://www.dhgate.com/2012-new-pinarello-dogma-60-1-w6-aero-movistar/p-f...

Its done,
So this is part 2 of 3.
A lot of this stuff was new to us MTBers and casual roadies. Internal cabling, double click shifters/brakes and so on. After the initial bottle of beer we got to it. As ive already said the build quality is good. Everything we`ve bolted or pressed fitted onto the frame has fitted with no dramers. The Sram Rival is good quality stuff, the Mavic Ksyrium equipes are a nice wheel set, frameset is light and looks good and thing like tyres,seatpost. saddles are a personal choice!
So we finished it at 9.45 last night. It took 4.5 hrs ish to build so that was`nt too bad. Part 3will vbe after a 40 mile breaking in ride saturday. Heres some pictures.

Here it is in all its glory at 6.30 this morning. The misses didnt want it in the lounge.............

I can see the bars are going to need some tweeking.

Oh and it weighs 17.4 lbs, without pedals. Im still waiting for a lighter seatpost and saddle, so should be able to shed a bit more weight after that too.

Looks the biz Wheelz, good effort.
Looking forward to the ride report, seeing the 'angles' an'all it should give a stable ride and with a good weight too.
Good luck old chap and well done for documenting the build.
Regards

Trikeman.

Looks good. Thanks for posting an update. Enjoy your ride tomorrow and I hope you avoid freshly laid tarmac - it's too white for tar marks.

What size frame is that? 54? How much have you spent then? Would be interesting to compare to an off-the-peg 'equivalent' carbon frame.

yep its a 54.

The total build cost is around the £1350 mark!

You can get some nice bikes for that sort of price, but im very happy so far with the way its turned out.

Probably plenty of faffing on the initial ride tomorrow

Looks smart. Good luck. Remember to take tools with you, no doubt once the cables start to loosen you'll be adjusting the mechs a few times.

yeah,

Me and my riding bud will be taking a few essential bits and peices with us. We tryed to pre-stretch the cables but..........

Even the quick sprint up the road and back (100mm) told me the brakes are a whole lot better than the tiagra ones on my 1.5 Trek! It felt spritellier as well.

a quick spanner check this afternoon to make sure i forgot nothing.

it looks just like a pinarello!!!

mate, looks very good. i dont foresee any problems. hope the maiden voyage goes well. £1350. no brainer. if it all works happy happy days!

well it made it!
we done a 50 mile shake down ride around west sussex this morning. heres the niggles.

chain slipping, 9 spd chain link, dont work on 10 spds!

front mech rubbing chain in big ring, after cables stretched it dissapeared.

steerer/stem creeking, needed tightening after a few miles, started creeking again probably needs some greasing.

seatpost slipping, have a 27.2 with shim instead of a 31.6. waiting for correct post, in post!!

apart from that few things and seeing it was only finished late thursday night it wasnt so bad.

the ride quality was great, steering quick and direct. it looks the b******s as well. compared to my Trek 1.5 work horse its a Ferrari. it felt so spritely, looking forward to puting loads of happy miles on it.

I will keep you all informed of any problems or mods as i go.

so,

1st sportive completed, with no dramas, creaking saddle only annoying thing to happen today. lovely sun too

beginning to like this roadie thing. so much cleaner than my normal xc riding!!!!

ace, you will help alot of people make their minds up. lovely looking bike. well done, good to see its build happen

You can get a well developed, world renowned bike brand carbon build for circa £1250. Yes it doesn't claim to be a pinarello dogma but this build is just claiming to be one.
What am I missing that has made building an untested, unseen chinese frame more appealing than getting a bike you can try, test, fit and has after sales service?

hoorah,
dear not all carbon is the same, you are right but, anyone who knows a thing about top end bikes will know its a fake!
im not claiming it to be a propper Pinarillo, if anyone stops me and asks i will tell them its a Chinpin.

i just thought some people would be interested in the fact "i" bought one! there seemed to be a lot of doom and gloom aroung buying these frames from china, fine, you dont have to read it, like you dont have to buy one. ive got 3 other bikes a giant, a kinesis which i built from a frame and a trek. the frame and paint quality of the Chinese frame are better than the kinesis
and as for road test and building problems, ive done all the hard work for you all. i just enjoy riding my bikes and its nice to build em too. the bike looks great, it rides good too! ive riden treks high end projects and to be fair its about the same ride quality if a bit heavier. 17.4lbs aint bad for under £1500.
happy riding.

Wheelz,
I am really glad you are happy with your build. I think you have hit it right on the button - enjoyment of the buying, building, riding and reporting, an excellent read whatever it says on the frame. I really wonder what the difference it would make to you if it was an 'original',,,,,,? Nowt I bet other than the 'bar talk'.
You have gone ahead and had a go in public which should be congratulated. I did my 'few now' in some sort of secrecy, not because I was ashamed, trying to con anyone or anything other than just private experimenting that I enjoy - I do of course ensure any frame is, as best I can 'safe' before build and not had a problem yet.

However, I did have an S-Works Tarmac split a chainstay on a hill a while ago that suprised me, being a top name an'all. I did have a replacement frame though.

Of the three now built (not decalled up, but from the same stable) I and my family members who ride them are over the moon with them.... You certainly have not built your bike to 'fool' anyone, you have done it for your riding fun.
Good on you mate - enjoy it.
Regards

Trikeman.

I do get Jon Burrage's point - and yes, I know I could buy a comparable Felt from you that would be a very nice bike, and personally that is probably the route I would take rather than Wheelz' approach, but that's not to take anything away from him. He's taken a gamble with the frame source, but honestly, how different will this be to Dolan/Ribble/Planet X, or for that matter, Graham Weigh, of which I have one?

He's clearly quite confident in his ability to put it together properly, so probably not as bothered about aftersales support as I would be. More power to you Wheelz!

I'd love to see Road.cc take a look at it and give a review, just to see how an impartial observer would take to it.

I think what's interesting for me is that it underlines just how much discount bike manufacturers can swing from component manufacturers, and how much value you get from a factory-built bike. Whatever the frame, it's hard to make the case that building your own bike is financially the better option.

You've spent £900 on the finishing kit if my maths is right; We've got a Carbon Carrera sitting in the office that's £999 with a 105 groupset...

If you'd gone to planet x with your £1,300 you could get a Pro Carbon with SRAM Red. In terms of actual frame quality, it's probably comparable to the chinarello. not saying that's a better option for you, it's just interesting to compare and contrast.

I didnt mean to suggest buying a bike from the place Im involved with - it was more about the reasons why, nothing tetchy, I was just interested.

It looks like a pinarello but my main thought was that you are dropping a lot of cash to get the bike to a point where you can try it and by that point you are stuck if it doesnt ride well (not meaning it wont ride well, its just that you dont know the ride characteristics until all your money is spent and if it was me Id like to know what I was spending the cash on)

Best of luck with it, Im sure it will give you years of happy riding.

no harm done,

ide looked at the geometry and rode a couple of bikes with simular character to the Pinchin, the rest was in the lap of the gods!

lets hope it all stays in one piece and as you said many more happy miles.

All i need now is a light, comfy and reasonably priced saddle!!