Right to be cynical about Sky

Would this be the same Froome that was tested after every stage that he held the yellow jersey? And the same Froome that has never failed a drug test?

Just checking.

(Now waiting for the comments regarding the 'missed' drugs test must be a sign of guilt).

We need to stop living in the past. There is nothing wrong with remembering what has happened in history, otherwise we will never learn. But we can't tarnish the current generation for what their predecessors did.

The sport of cycling needs to heal but it never will with the constant scab picking that some of the media and so called fans insist on doing. It is quite right that we seek to squeeze known cheats out from the sport, Astana & Vino are a case in point, so focus your energy on them. But the almost constant witch hunt for certain riders and teams that have never failed any sort of testing needs to stop.

It is as damaging to the sport to keep accusing innocent parties of cheating as it is actually having cheats in the game.

I'm no fanboy before that gets thrown at me. I like Team Sky and the way they brought the marginal gains thought process in to cycling. They have certainly created a more professional environment, and one that is now being copied by other teams. You will also find me cheering on other teams or riders that embrace the good things about cycling and a sport that can be such a joy to be part of.

Stop the hating or go find another sport.

Answer to original question - 'Yes'

I've mentioned Knaven many times as just one (of many) examples of Sky doing the opposite of their stated anti-doping policies!

Why are you guys even watching this?

so many cynics, cmon team sky, if u dont like it dont watch it, plus it was the mail on sunday, that did the story, the paper that hates cyclists

Newspaper articles are full of maybe this and maybe that with an odd fact dropped in to give it credibility. Just because someone may have had a dodgy past doesn't mean that everyone they come in contact with becomes tainted with their reputation.

The issue about being a conspiracy theorist is that anything can be twisted to accommodate the one dimensional thinking that typifies these people.

Guilty by association is a minefield to say the least. Being in the same place at the same time as an alleged offence does not make you guilty and would not standup in any judicial procedures.

I appreciate that effective EPO testing was not in place until 2000. So that does open up those riding before this time as rumour targets.

Legally, and let's not forget that this is a legal process, there is no evidence that indicates that Knaven doped during his career. There is also no evidence that Froome or any other Sky rider is doping at this current time.

Therefore the rumours are just that. Career damaging, cycling damaging, unfounded rumours.

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The issue about being a conspiracy theorist is that anything can be twisted to accommodate the one dimensional thinking that typifies these people.

The problem with conspiracy theorists - is that its like a religion. The conclusion is reached first, and then 'logic' is applied (n matter how warped) to fit the conclusion, and if you try to question logic or conclusion you are clearly a sinner and in cohorts with the evil people perpetrating the conspiracy.

No one is disputing that in earlier years that alot of riders were using PEDS, but now you're assuming and it's a big assumption that in this current time where alot of teams are being more open about testing for drugs.

Do you really think any team would expose themselves given how lance Armstrong has been through the mincer, his reputation and financial position destroyed?

Do you believe that this knave fella is going around behind Brailsford back doping all the team, or do you believe Brailsford is part of the doping sanction?

Do you think the top riders would risk absolutely everything only to have it all taken away later?

There will always be someone who will take PEDS but these are now few a far between. Like Cavendish said to a journalist after being asked about drugs "how do you know some journalist in this room isn't fu#king your wife when you're at work"

You don't!

Stop harping on about something that you cannot prove yourself. If you come up with EVIDENCE to the contrary and are willing to stand by it and possibly lose all your money, house, wife and family in a court case of libel, then I will listen to it. But you will be berated constantly until you stop spreading rumours

This thread's been going a while!

@Ianrobo (and others) there's a difference between being a realist and cynical (fine by me), and touting unfounded accusations (not so fine)

Remain cynical, sure, that's your right, but until there is proof of guilt people really shouldn't accuse team Sky, or others, of doping.

Cheers CXR94Di2, another voice of reason here.

Working on the logic of some i have been a gun toting, alcoholic criminal. I grew up a in quite a rough area of town. Many of my school time peers were involved with criminal activities. Some have been convicted of gun crimes and substance abuse. I have never been down that road, but obviously because i knew them, grew up with them, went to school with them and lived around them i must be guilty. Send me to the gallows!

Back to the OP. The basic premise that Sky can't be trusted and their performances must be due to doping.

I say again. There is no proof during this time of increased testing that any riders are on the juice. Time to put it to bed as it is boring now.

Put up your evidence in written form,

I'll send a link to sky cycling asking them to review these comments and see if they feel they are libellous.

I can assure you having a high court writ served against you is not a pleasant experience. Defending your self, even when you're innocent is very stressful.

Check the actual TVM trial - then explain how you conclude Knaven didn't dope!

I grew up in the 70's, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable - I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

Doping will never fix Chris Froome looking awful on a bike.

Funny how quiet this thread went after Sky failed to win a Monument.