Yesterday road.cc, and just about every other media outlet you can think of, ran a story about how one in four London guide dog owners said their dogs had been hit by cyclists.
The Evening Standard reported the story with this opening paragraph:
"Cyclists are increasingly smashing into blind Londoners and their guide dogs after mounting the pavement and jumping red lights, a charity warned today."
And many outlets used a comment by Robert Harris, London engagement manager for Guide Dogs. Harris said: “We work incredibly hard to get blind or partially sighted people out of their homes and mobile, so to hear that vision impaired people are anxious and in some cases fearful about going out in London because of irresponsible cyclists is very worrying."
On the face of it, this is terrible stuff. The blind are, rightly, a group for whom everyone has sympathy. Making your way in a world full of text and fast-moving objects when you have little or no sight is extremely hard.
Action for Blind People says two-thirds of registered blind and partially sighted people of working age are not in paid employment, and nearly half of blind and partially sighted people feel ‘moderately’ or ‘completely’ cut off from people and things around them.
So, pressed for time as journalists always are, the bald assertions made by Guide Dogs were reported verbatim. Talk of "irresponsible cyclists" "smashing into" people after "mounting the pavement and jumping red lights" is standard anti-cycling media fare. Easy to bang it out and not question it.
Dodgy survey, dodgy numbers
Over the course of the day, more of the background started to emerge. You might think that Guide Dogs London was acting on a vast number of reports of issues with cyclists. Perhaps they'd polled a significant sample of London's 41,000 blind and partially sighted people to find out what problems they had getting around, and been told by a large number that cyclists were an issue.
Not so. The one in four figure comes from a self-selected online survey and represents just 14 people claiming they or their dogs had been hit by cyclists.
You read that right: 14.
Guide Dogs clearly went looking for ammunition, having already decided to target cyclists.
Here, for example, are a couple of tweets from London Guide Dogs:

Thanks to David Robjant (@bike3isavolvo) for spotting those
That survey has since been taken down, so there's no way of knowing to what extent it used leading questions to get the responses London Guide Dogs were looking for, but those tweets are not the words of impartial researchers.
Expectation bias
The signs of dodgy research were there in Guide Dogs' original announcement of the 'CycleEyes' campaign.
It speaks of a "a noted increase in guide dogs and their owners being hit by a bike or having a near miss."
"Most of these reports," the organisation said, "come directly to Guide Dogs verbally."
In other words, Guide Dogs had nothing but the impressions of its staff that blind people were having more problems with cyclists. It's perfectly feasible that this is something researchers call 'expectation bias'. You become aware of something, and suddenly you start seeing it everywhere.
So, Guide Dogs London set up a survey on Survey Monkey and got results that it presented thus:
"Of the guide dog owners who responded, 42% had been involved in a collision with a cyclist and 76% have had a near miss when cyclists either ride on pavements or skip red lights at pedestrian crossings."
The reaction of one guide dog user I mentioned this to was: "How did they know, they're blind?" Well, quite.
Guide Dogs initially claimed one in four of London's 320 guide dog users had been involved in an incident in which a cyclist hit their dog.
A footnote to the release about Guide Dogs' campaign vilifying cyclists, however, admits:
"Through social media we invited blind and partially sighted to fill in a Survey Monkey. 33 of those who responded were guide dog owners from London, 42% of those have been involved in a collision with a cyclist 76% have had a near miss (defined as where they have narrowly avoided a collision)."
42 percent of 33 is 13.86, which indicates a) it's really stupid to turn such small numbers into percentages even if it does make your wholly useless survey look all sciencey and b) as I mentioned above, this whole campaign is based on just 14 people complaining.
Think about that. London is home to between 8 and 15 million people depending on how you count them and how you define 'London'. You could pick any two random groups of people among that vast population, ask one if it had had problems with the other, and get 14 complaints. Ask Lithuanian redheads if they'd had bad experiences with German shepherd dog owners, and I bet you'd get 14 tales of woe.
Can you imagine the response you'd get if you asked people with "strong views" about, say, immigrants to fill in a survey?
And they're not just complaining about something that happened recently. Guide Dogs does not appear to have set a time scale on its trawl for trouble, so those incidents could have happened any time in the last couple of decades.
By sloshing around its deeply dubious numbers, Guide Dogs was able to get all sorts of people who should know better on board with its anti-cyclist campaign.
Here's Charlie Lloyd from the London Cycling Campaign for example:
Charlie from @london_cycling supporting @guidedogs cycling campaign. pic.twitter.com/32gKWOz03p
— LondonGuidedogs (@GuidedogsLondon) August 27, 2014
And Lib Dem group leader on the London Assembly – and cyclist – Caroline Pidgeon:
Huge thanks to @CarolinePidgeon from the London Assembly for coming along to support #cycleyes @guidedogs pic.twitter.com/7FTxEDTIAg
— LondonGuidedogs (@GuidedogsLondon) August 27, 2014
Lloyd said: "I don’t know if it was a stitch up or a cock. The absurd casualty stats were quickly withdrawn."
That may be true, but by then it was too late. Stories like the Evening Standard's had been written, and what corrections were made were minimal, and usually at the end of stories.
As for London Cycling Campaign supporting a the campaign, it's hard to say they weren't very naive in failing to see how the story would be told in the mass media.
"Our involvement was based on the fact that there is a real issue with the way some cyclists intimidate pedestrians," Lloyd told me in an email.
"The other consideration is that many in the Guide Dogs movement wish to block some of the infrastructure that will help make London safer for cycling.
"They have strong opposition to floating bus stops, even though there are thousands of them across the UK where old style footway based cycle routes pass bus stops. We think it is worth while working with blind people to discover the best design for floating bus stops in London."
A common threat
What's deeply troubling about this sorry tale is that Guide Dogs chose to target another group of vulnerable road users instead of taking on the source of risk to all: bad drivers and London's abysmal road system.
Road traffic danger limits everyone's mobility, and its main source is motor vehicles. But Guide Dogs doesn't have the gonads to say that London's awful roads keep partially sighted people from getting out and about, because like everyone in their position they think of traffic as being like weather: it just happens and nothing can be done about it.
Far easier then, to go after cyclists, knowing that the mass media won't question that "irresponsible cyclists" are "smashing into blind Londoners" than to demand London's roads be organised for the convenience of people rather than motor vehicles.
Lazy, lazy campaigning, with the wrong target.

























82 thoughts on “Anatomy of a lie: How Guide Dogs London fabricated an attack on cyclists”
classic!
well they raised
classic!
well they raised awareness. but not in a good way.
makes you wonder what other figures they massage
I think the two biggest
I think the two biggest problems with the survey are:
1.) It is self selecting. You’re more likely to respond to the survey if you have an axe to grind.
2.) How do they know that the people who did fill in the survey are actually guide dog users, and that they only filled in the survey once?
The sample size wouldn’t be too bad if it was a proper random sample. eg: If you had the telephone number of every London guide dog user, you could ring up a randomly selected sample of them. Correct use of statistics on the result could also give an estimate of how accurate it is likely to be.
cat1commuter wrote:I think
Another way of creating a more accurate stat is to not tell them what you’re researching and to bung it into a “dummy” survey. This way they see questions about hair or shopping but the true questions kind of blend in.
Its like psychologists say – the best observations come from when people dont know they’re being watched
Got to love statistics!
That
Got to love statistics!
That said it wouldn’t hurt to knock it out of the big ring when we’re in the vicinity of Moorfields Eye Hospital, just to be safe
Well done John for debunking
Well done John for debunking yet another anti-cycling falsehood based on dubious evidence.
Please send this to Tim Hartford on Radio 4’s More or Less program, they will love ripping this little survey apart….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qshd
seanbolton wrote:Well done
I’ve just heard the trailer during PM on Radio 4, and they will indeed be featuring this survey on More or Less.
Quote:42 percent of 33 is
Ummm, while correct, the proper way of looking at it is that 14 out of 33 is 42.42424242%, which rounds down to 42%. Magic!
I think we can all agree that
I think we can all agree that riding on pavements, through red lights, and into blind people is bad, and should not be accepted. However, it seems like Guide Dogs have set out to set one group of vulnerable road users against another, and make out that all cyclists are guilty of this kind of behaviour.
I really don’t understand why LCC didn’t think more carefully before getting involved – if they wanted an opportunity to work with Guide Dogs on a cooperative campaign and overcome some of the opposition within the organisation to good cycling infrastructure, why not try and show how really effective protected bike lanes reduce the risk to blind and partially sighted people? Why not campaign against rubbish shared pavements and road design that puts us in conflict?
As you say, the elephant in the room is traffic – it’s time to stop accepting it as an inevitability, and start seriously pushing for changes in the way our roads are designed, to make them safer and more welcoming for everyone, even if they’re not on a bike.
babybat wrote:it seems like
Yet there are some tossers on road.cc who seem to think that all motorists are as guilty as each other.
Funny ol’ world, innit?
truffy wrote:babybat wrote:it
well actually they are… I’ve never met anyone who can truly claim to have obeyed every single instruction and sign in the highway code to the letter or not to have sped over the limit or not to have pushed on through an amber as it turns red…
it would horrify you the frequency of which I’ve had to drive my car through a late amber to avoid being rammed up the rear by someone who wasn’t going to stop…
Paul_C wrote:
it would
…and that’s why I’m standing in front of you right now your honour!
Paul_C wrote:truffy
Did I read that right? You are deciding to proceed or not across a junction not dependent on the traffic signal but to accommodate worse drivers behind you? And you did know that, “late amber” or otherwise, driving through an amber light is an offence? Right? The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 36(1) only with a slight caveat about emergency stops.
Well my friend, If that happens regularly and you say it does, then I can easily diagnose the cause. It’s because you are driving too fast. I know that because you are having to regularly make last second judgements.
If you are approaching a green light then it doesn’t take an Einstein like genius to figure that there’s a pretty good chance it might change. So instead of approaching green lights on the basis that you hope it stays green and you want to get through it, approach it on the basis that it might very likely change to red.
And the legal speed limit is not necessarily a safe speed. You slow down for bends and corners I assume? Why not get off the gas pedal so the car is balanced when approaching green lights and is slowing and be prepared to stop. If you want an advanced tip and you have a tailgaiter or someone coming up fast behind then you can control their expectations as well. The tiniest dab on the brakes noce and early as you approach removes their expectation that you have your foot down and are going to shoot the lights.
I’ve been driving since 1979 some of that professionally and all over the world. I am quite frankly shocked to learn that a fellow cyclist is driving about like this.
I don’t care if it’s the BSM, RoSPA the IAM or what. Go get some driving lessons and slow the hell down.
oozaveared wrote:And you did
This is true, but its also a law that seems to have been totally abandoned, as whizzing through on amber (and just after, on red) is pretty much universal behaviour now.
(Also – was there not a rule about not entering junctions when your exit wasn’t clear? These days drivers seem eager to get into the junction come what may, so as a matter of course end up stuck in a traffic jam blocking both the pedestrian crossing and the other axis of motor trafffic)
truffy wrote:
Yet there are
Guess that makes me a tosser then. The way I see it if you’re driving a car with no passengers, using a car for a journey under 8 miles, using your phone while driving even with a hands free, travelling at or slightly over the limit, driving any 4wd vehicle on the road, parking in the bike lane or on the footpath or any number of things which are legal and accepted then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!
On your bike mate!
drfabulous0 wrote:truffy
Guess that makes me a tosser then. The way I see it if you’re driving a car with no passengers, using a car for a journey under 8 miles, using your phone while driving even with a hands free, travelling at or slightly over the limit, driving any 4wd vehicle on the road, parking in the bike lane or on the footpath or any number of things which are legal and accepted then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!— truffy
Are you saying, then that ALL motorists fulfil all of these criteria? I think you may be deluded. In fact, I KNOW you are.
But I do accept your assertion that you’re a tosser.
‘drfabulous0 wrote:
truffy
‘drfabulous0 wrote:
truffy wrote:
[i]Yet there are some tossers on road.cc who seem to think that all motorists are as guilty as each other.
Funny ol’ world, innit?
Guess that makes me a tosser then. The way I see it if you’re driving a car with no passengers, using a car for a journey under 8 miles, using your phone while driving even with a hands free, travelling at or slightly over the limit, driving any 4wd vehicle on the road, parking in the bike lane or on the footpath or any number of things which are legal and accepted then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!
Are you saying, then that ALL motorists fulfil all of these criteria? I think you may be deluded. In fact, I KNOW you are.
But I do accept your assertion that you’re a tosser.'[/i]
No FREESPIRIT1′ it’s clearly a list with the word ‘or’ in it at the end suggesting that if you do ‘any number of things which are legal and accepted’, but arguably a major problem inherent with opinions towards driving, ‘then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!’
You know full well ALL drivers are guilty of making solo journeys that don’t justify the use of a car, so does your denial suggest you are a deluded tosser? yes…
drfabulous0 wrote:truffy
Guess that makes me a tosser then. The way I see it if you’re driving a car with no passengers, using a car for a journey under 8 miles, using your phone while driving even with a hands free, travelling at or slightly over the limit, driving any 4wd vehicle on the road, parking in the bike lane or on the footpath or any number of things which are legal and accepted then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!
On your bike mate!— truffy
Your quote as it stands does indeed fully qualify you. Perhaps you might want to reconsider it as you have failed to allow for disabled car drivers who certainly can’t ride a bike ‘8’ miles (wherever that figure came from).
They are actually a group of car users who share many common problems with cyclists.
Oh, and thanks for tarring me and many of us here on road.cc with your brush. Nice to know I’m a problem when driving, but suddenly turn in to a wonderful being when riding one of my bikes. Perhaps I should get a halo I can wear on my bike to make sure everyone realises how great cyclists are and how detestable almost everyone else is…
IanD wrote:drfabulous0
Guess that makes me a tosser then. The way I see it if you’re driving a car with no passengers, using a car for a journey under 8 miles, using your phone while driving even with a hands free, travelling at or slightly over the limit, driving any 4wd vehicle on the road, parking in the bike lane or on the footpath or any number of things which are legal and accepted then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!
On your bike mate!— drfabulous0
Your quote as it stands does indeed fully qualify you. Perhaps you might want to reconsider it as you have failed to allow for disabled car drivers who certainly can’t ride a bike ‘8’ miles (wherever that figure came from).
They are actually a group of car users who share many common problems with cyclists.
Oh, and thanks for tarring me and many of us here on road.cc with your brush. Nice to know I’m a problem when driving, but suddenly turn in to a wonderful being when riding one of my bikes. Perhaps I should get a halo I can wear on my bike to make sure everyone realises how great cyclists are and how detestable almost everyone else is…— truffy
I’m afraid you missed the point somewhat, I am not pointing the finger at individuals. Any of the behaviours I mentioned are not a big deal in isolation, it’s the numbers involved that cause the problems. Numbers so large that poor practice is considered the norm. The situation would be greatly improved if drivers accepted a collective responsibility for the conditions on the road, and that has to start on an individual level. It’s like sitting in your car complaining about the traffic you’re stuck in, you are that traffic. Seriously if every car you see with only one person in it had two people think how much more pleasant the roads would be.
I’m not claiming cyclists are saints, the proportion of dickheads is roughly the same on all forms of transport, sadly this seems to be >80%. By all means wear a halo if it makes you feel better, it’s probably just as much use as a plastic bike hat.
I also disagree that my comment qualifies me as a tosser, I was already qualified due to my usual behaviour, demeanor and personality.
truffy wrote:
Yet there are
truffy wrote:
Yet there are some tossers on road.cc who seem to think that all motorists are as guilty as each other.
Funny ol’ world, innit?
Guess that makes me a tosser then. The way I see it if you’re driving a car with no passengers, using a car for a journey under 8 miles, using your phone while driving even with a hands free, travelling at or slightly over the limit, driving any 4wd vehicle on the road, parking in the bike lane or on the footpath or any number of things which are legal and accepted then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!
On your bike mate!
I absolutely agree with you. You are, as you rightly say, a tosser!
Grizzerly
Some of us live in
Grizzerly
Some of us live in places where a 4×4 is sensible, I’m guessing you are referring to people driving them in towns / cities. I quite agree with the rest of your rant!
Sit at the back and be quiet
I could concede that if it was farmers driving around in old Defenders, however the most common cars I encounter when riding in the countryside are Audi Q7, BMW X5 and Porsche Cayenne, very sensible.
drfabulous0 wrote:Sit at the
That’s life in Cheshire’s Golden Triangle. The huge 4 x 4 appears to be compulsory.
Grizzerly / drfabulous
Just
Grizzerly / drfabulous
Just been shifting a bunch of, extremely heavy, welding gear in my Land Cruiser. Is that OK?
Sit at the back and be quiet
Depends…..does it have wooden seats?
drfabulous0 wrote:Sit at the
WTF ?
I’m starting to despair of these discussions.
There seem to be a lot of sanctimonious people out there making glib and ill considered remarks.
Sit at the back and be quiet
WTF ?
I’m starting to despair of these discussions.
There seem to be a lot of drunk people out there making glib and sarcastic remarks.— Sit at the back and be quiet
FTFY
Sit at the back and be quiet
Eddy Merkx would have put the gear in a rucksack and cycled
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truffy wrote:babybat wrote:it
Pretty much all motorists add to the pollution that kills 5000 people a year in this country alone. So, yeah, all are guilty to some degree.
Of course, the reality is we’ve created a situation where driving is as good as compulsory, so there’s not much mileage in making it solely about personal responsibility. But driving is a problem that does need to be sorted out collectively and politically. One issue being the degree to which it is subsidised, which distorts people’s choices.
Driving is intrinsically more dangerous and more damaging, even when done well, in a way that cycling is not, so they aren’t really the same.
babybat wrote:I think we can
Actually, pavement riding is fine as long as it’s done carefully, which is why the police are advised only to intervene when it’s unsafe. What’s wrong with hopping a kerb when there’s no one on it?
Otherwise though I pretty much agree with what you’re saying. Vehicle traffic is the real issue.
> ” … skip red lights at
> ” … skip red lights at pedestrian crossings.”
> The reaction of one guide dog user I mentioned this to was: “How did they know, they’re blind?” Well, quite.
Pedestrians crossings (at least some of them) make a noise precisely so blind users know when the lights are green for pedestrians.
If you’re narrowly missed by a cyclist, especially a yelling one, it’s not that hard to work out what they are just by sound, or with the sort of minimal vision that still counts as legally blind.
Or there could simply have been sighted pedestrians on the same crossings at the same time who reported what they saw to the blind user.
The story massively and unfairly exaggerated a handful of reports of cyclists behaving badly; that doesn’t mean no cyclists at all ever behaved badly.
Plenty of cyclists do sometimes go through red lights at crossings; a smaller number of them sometimes do so uncomfortably close to pedestrians, and without considering that a pedestrian might not be able to see them coming.
armb wrote:
Pedestrians
Going OT, a lot of lights no longer make any noise, the ones near me rely on a small cone under the box, if you feel it, it rotates when the lights change to alert that it is now safe to cross, i guess it helps deaf and blind in one step?????
” … skip red lights at
” … skip red lights at pedestrian crossings.”
> The reaction of one guide dog user I mentioned this to was: “How did they know, they’re blind?” Well, quite.
Well they do have a GUIDE dog with them, the dog would know if the light is red or green and either be guiding them accross the road if safe or sat still if not, that’s one of the neat tricks they learn…
bikewithnoname wrote:” …
If the person is walking with a stick then some crossing points obviously beep. Others have little motorised rollers that they can hold – when the green man activates the roller spins in their hand.
bikewithnoname wrote:” …
Is one of the other neat tricks they learn the ability to say “that bike nearly hit you there mate”?
The point is not whether they knew that the light was red or green but how they knew that there was a near miss.
Quote: but how they knew that
Granted the ‘survey’ was flawed in the first place, but as I understand it, most people registered blind are partially sighted, and can discern large objects in their field of view though their might not be much detail. They may also have severe tunnel vision etc. But lets keep focussed on the charity’s anti-cycling campaign.
If they want our support (as in cycleyes) they need to stop this rhetoric ?
E.g. http://www.wokingcycle.org.uk/shared-space-faq/
Good work John. From the way
Good work John. From the way you were going on Twitter I was expecting this article to be a stream of profanities (well, “gonads” aside).
I recently had the chance to do some visual impairment awareness training and I’d recommend it to anyone. I now know there are 7.5 million people in the UK who are blind or have some form of uncorrectable visual impairment. That’s a MASSIVE chunk of the population who have to face hostile street conditions every time they venture out of the door.
Blind people are concerned about a lot of the same things as cyclists, such as “traffic flow smoothing” measures aimed at forcing through yet more traffic, or fashionable “shared space” schemes which advocate switching off traffic lights and ripping out kerbs. When they try and get something done about these, they get the same response cyclists get, or parents who want their kids to be able to play in the street – Eric Pickles and his ilk telling them that cars drive the UK’s economy, and constraining them to improve everyone’s quality of life would be economic suicide.
I fully expect whatever spotty whizzkid thought up this survey to go on to a successful career in the charity sector, and probably end up as an advisor to a mainstream political party.
Hmmmm. The stats are
Hmmmm. The stats are certainly dodgy, to say the least. This is a reasonably good entry for anyone interested in telling good from bad stats.
But I’m more interested in what the guide dog campaign group’s agenda is – unlike, say, the Daily Fail’s, I’m not predisposed to seeing evil here.
Perhaps consider holding the cannons? The blind are not our natural enemies, if we can avoid a fight it might be best to do so.
nuclear coffee wrote:Hmmmm.
Seems like their PR team started with a full frontal assault, not exactly friendly, is it?
They should be allies, but quite clearly they did not think having us on their side would help the cause.
Basically, cynical b*llsh*t that very rightly needs to be called out and their agenda very publicly questioned.
Pretty shameful work by
Pretty shameful work by GDBA’s press office.
I used to have links to them – we ‘puppy walked’ a couple of dogs when I was younger. I’d go so far as to say they were my favourite charity, as they deal in quality of life. Well, consider that goodwill “smashed into”.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if they were fundraising money from cyclists? Oh. http://www.guidedogs.org.uk/microsites/events/find-an-event/cycling/prudential-ridelondon-surrey-100/
Publicly attack cyclists
Publicly attack cyclists based on flimsy evidence… then ask for people to help them on bikes.
https://twitter.com/guidedogs/status/504613602733871104
Awful P.R. on their behalf, and a pity as their a charity that deserve support, I know I’ll find it hard to give a damn about them in the future now.
People raise money for guide
People raise money for guide dogs and the GDBA use it to churn out this garbage 😕
Casualty stats withdrawn? I
Casualty stats withdrawn? I think not – third from top tweet on their twitter thingy right now is a retweet of the 1-in 4 thing (see below). No, I think they’re very pleased with it all, and really don’t give a hoot if they’re demonising cyclists.
…………………………………………………………………..
Retweeted by LondonGuidedogs
J. L. Jiménez @jljimenez · Aug 27
RT”@blackcab: 1 in 4 London guide dogs have been hit by a cyclist. @GuidedogsLondon R raising awareness in Lambeth. pic.twitter.com/bzHXXXjJ81″
I, for one, shalln’t be
I, for one, shalln’t be giving any more money to Guide Dogs for the Blind. It won’t make a difference but that money will go somewhere where it won’t be spent bashing me and my like X(
The only people you’d be
The only people you’d be hurting would be the Guide Dog Owners, please don’t withdraw your support based on the actions of some idiots based in their London office.
leodhasach wrote:The only
So what are Guide Dog Owners doing to bring “their London office” to heel, please?
leodhasach wrote:The only
Problem is, when you donate to charity, you don’t get to say that you want that money spent on “a guide dog”. It goes into charity coffers and some of it will be spent paying the wages of their PR morons who think that this type of thing is acceptable behaviour.
It isn’t and they need to know that they’ve lost support and donations because of their ill-thought-out campaign.
leodhasach wrote:The only
Well not really. Guide Dogs for the Blind Association COMPANY NO
NF003594 have huge assets. (my sister is blind by the way) TOTAL ASSETS LESS CURRENT LIABILITIES £132,106,000
They have plenty of money but they are still shutting training centres. Collecting money for a combo of blind people and cute dogs is pretty easy. Delivering trained guide dogs is difficult. So they do more of the easy stuff and less of the difficult.
If you have money that you allocate to charity please take a little time to look at that charity. A lot of the big ones make decisions that keep Head Office Staff and accountants and fund mangers in jobs (nothing wrong with that btw) but don’t necessarily deliver that much per £1 of donation.
I would imagine that the cooking up of the cycling story was cheap and easy publicity designed to work in what the Journalists call the “silly season” when stories are scarce.
So no don’t give them any more money. Give it to a local hospice that spends the probably most of the donations straight away and doesn’t have £132m in assets.
‘expectation bias’. You
‘expectation bias’. You become aware of something, and suddenly you start seeing it everywhere.
They should be thrilled…if they were blind to start with..
In hindsight this whole campaign is obviously very shortsighted
Excellent work debunking the
Excellent work debunking the stats – however, I still think there are far too many impatient, selfish and careless cyclists who jump red lights and ride on pavements. This may be the reason why so many unquestionably bought into this guide dog story as there are still too many menacing cyclists about.
It is not the first time GDB
It is not the first time GDB has produced dubious surveys to make a political point. They lobby on a regular basis against pedestrian schemes up and down the country that allow cycling and have trotted out equally dodgy stats before. Sadly they have been successful in many areas in banning cycling from pedestrianized areas, even though their dodgy statistics have been exposed.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2011/apr/05/cyclists-shared-zones-disabilities
Their campaign is actually
Their campaign is actually called Cycleyes as in ‘Cycle? Yes!’ =D>
It does not matter what form
It does not matter what form of transport you prefer, intimidating a blind person really is one of the lowest things you can do. Anyone who seeks to make light of it really should be put in a padded room!!
freespirit1 wrote:It does not
You make it sound like it’s deliberate!
The whole point of the campaign, which they botched with dodgy stats demonising cyclists, was to spread understanding about how to interact with blind pedestrians. It’s probably not the first thing on any cyclist’s mind when trying to dodge traffic in the morning that they might encounter someone who’s blind.
Support withdrawn.
Support withdrawn.
One question that hasn’t been
One question that hasn’t been answered is why road.cc ran the original story in the first place? There was no mention of the number of people polled in the original piece: that was a blindingly obvious question to ask Guide Dogs. With any story that’s based on a survey it’s surely the first question to ask? How many people answered the survey and who ran the survey? Was it MORI or Gallup? How were the respondents chosen and how weighted were the questions?
It may seem churlish to complain about an excellent website that we all get for free, I admit, but it would have taken five minutes to phone Guide Dogs’ press office, ask a few questions and discover that the story was utter twaddle, instead of simply blindly following what everyone else was doing and publishing nonsense.
How did all those blind
How did all those blind people manage to find and read the survey?
Paul_C,
Best excuse I’ve
Paul_C,
Best excuse I’ve heard in a while.
Oldridgeback – “What’s wrong
Oldridgeback – “What’s wrong with hopping a kerb when there’s no one on it?”
The same as breaking any law.
It’s intimidating to see or encounter a cyclist on a pavement.
The more cyclists on the road the safer it becomes.
There’s some right old bollocks on here and some of you make me feel ashamed to be either a cyclist or a driver.
climber wrote:Oldridgeback –
Advice to police is not to stop cyclists for hopping a kerb if they’re not riding aggressively or intimidating anyone. There are more important traffic rules. Riding in London there are plenty of junctions that are dangerous and poorly designed, which is reflected in the crash statistics for them. One I go through regularly is where the A23 and A3 meet at Kennington and which has been the scene of a number of incidents in recent years, at least one of which was fatal for the cyclist involved. You can bet I hop a kerb there when I’m concerned about the crazies in motor vehicles driving without due care and attention. The cycling facilities there are poorly designed also, which doesn’t help and as I drive through there in my car also, I’m highly aware of how drivers unaware of the cycle lanes will be surprised that the Cycle Superhighway jumps lanes without any prior warning for example. Plenty of cyclists use that junction but that doesn’t seem to make it any safer to be on a bicycle there. I’ll stick to hopping the kerb when I feel it is safe to do so thanks.
With regard to the blind/partially sighted, this is what the Highway Code has to say:
be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted.
I try and be as considerate to other road users as I can. Sometimes it’s easiest and safest just to get out of the way of certain people though.
The #cycleyes video appears
The #cycleyes video appears to be marked as private now?
http://www.guidedogs.org.uk/cycleyes
there are far too many
UK transport stats say 83% of pedestrian injuries caused by motorists, 1.4% by cyclists. Somebody is menacing pedestrians, but it’s not cyclists…
Brilliant.
Brilliant.
Lies, damned lies and
Lies, damned lies and statistics. That I get.
Cyclists slagging both each other and motorists on a thread about the blind and cyclists. That I don’t get.
They are talking about this
They are talking about this on More or Less on R4 now
tom_w wrote:They are talking
Just caught it. They talked about the dodgy stats and GDFtB ability to work out percentages and even questioned the BBCs willingness to broadcast un-qualified stats without checking them.
Hello? Is this the Daily Mail
Hello? Is this the Daily Mail forum? No? Wow, you do surprise me.
Picked this up on R4 on the
Picked this up on R4 on the way home. Read the stuff and examined the stats for myself.
Cancelled my DD to this charity.
My mum was blind but I know she hated lying and deception more than being blind. I am also a bit ‘miffed’ now about having taken part in sponsored charity events (running and cycling) to raise money to have this manufactured as a problem.
So lets find a true stat; how much money do cyclists raise for charity? How much money do cyclists save charities by not becoming dependent upon their services?
I’ll happily reinstate my DD when some idiot publicly accepts the harm they’ve done by this and does the decent thing and steps down or someone (or PR company) is dismissed for this debacle.
There has been some added
There has been some added preamble here
( http://www.guidedogs.org.uk/cycleyes )
Of course, size was not the only issue, the method (survey of people that already have strong views) , and stoking up of the press were the real problems. GDFTB also actively campaigns to prohibit cyclists from shared spaces (whilst encouraging fund-raising via cycling). I wouldn’t dream of cycling (nor walking for that matter) close to someone that appears blind.
ydrol wrote: Of course, size
Yes. As a professional researcher there are a few things wrong with this:
1) Confirmation bias: the folks thinking there was an issue in the first place, so went looking for it.
2) Sample bias: the folks deliberately asked the very people interested in the issue, rather than a wider sample that’s representative of the population of blind people.
3) Question bias: this is conjecture but if they’re not professional researchers and they’re using Survey Monkey, they’re writing their own questions. Which means it’s likely the questions were leading and not neutral.
4) Margin of error. With a population of 41,000, and a total of 33 effective respondents (guide dog owners in London), the margin of error is 17%.
The findings of the survey, then, are that somewhere between 8 and 42% of guide dog owners in London who have strong views on cyclists have had their guide dog hit by a cyclist. To be honest this is probably fairly true.
Be a bit of a shame if this
Be a bit of a shame if this leads to a thousand-year-feud between generations of cyclists and guide-dog-users! Not least as we all know who will get the better PR.
It was a rubbish ‘survey’ that was misrepresented in a way that would doubtless increase petrohead animosity towards cyclists and hence cause more accidents than it prevented.
But it was just one mistake. There must be some common-ground* that can be found, as clearly the safer it is to cycle on roads and the more dedicated infrastructure the fewer obnoxious scrotes who will be whizzing around on pavements.
* though possibly not shared-space.
LOL, precisely the
LOL, precisely the countryside I was refering to.
drfabulous0 wrote:LOL,
Isn’t the definition of “Countryside” killing a Porsche Cayenne driver?
(Apologies to Stephen Fry)
This is surely one of these
This is surely one of these “Zombie statistics” that are going to be flying around for years to come like “The NHS is the third biggest employer in the world”. Except it will be very damaging to us. Grrr.
Philosphical question. If a cyclist jumps a curb in the dark without lights and no 4×4 drivers see it, did it happen?
Only if you do it with hounds
Only if you do it with hounds and horses.
Regardless of Journos
Regardless of Journos bullshit, watch out for peds – blind or otherwise.
“By sloshing around its
“By sloshing around its deeply dubious numbers, Guide Dogs was able to get all sorts of people who should know better on board with its anti-cyclist campaign.”
Surely, John Stevenson, the big lie is that this is an “anti-cycling campaign”. Guide Dogs London is calling for separation of pedestrians and cyclists, just as many cyclists call for separation between bikes and cars (but aren’t per se anti-car).
Granted the Guide Dogs London survey was shoddy and that particular branch of that particular charity is not representative of the majority of blind and visually impaired people either (only a tiny fraction of whom use guide or assistance dogs).
But much more representative is the Royal National Institute of Blind People (RNIB). And if you check out their On My Street campaign resource page, you’ll see they take a dim view of pedestrian space being given up to cyclists (when we should be taking over more of the space currently dedicated to motor vehicles). http://www.rnib.org.uk/campaigning-campaign-resources/my-street
It is good though, John Stevenson, that you put in a link to Action for Blind People which states: “There are almost two million people in the UK living with sight loss.” (Access Economics, 2009).
It is predicted that by 2020 the number of people with sight loss will rise to over 2,250,000. By 2050, the number of people with sight loss in the UK will double to nearly four million.
https://www.rnib.org.uk/knowledge-and-research-hub/key-information-and-statistics
Don’t you agree that our future plans for cycling infrastructure should take these 4,000,000 people into account?
creakywheel wrote:It is
That’s unnecessarily divisive.
How about we take into account the people who live in our cities (and villages) when we plan how those cities are laid out, and their transport infrastructure?
Rather than, as is now, just the cars.
I’d have used my Bakfiets,
I’d have used my Bakfiets, but not everyone has legs like mine 😉
What next I ask?
A cyclist
What next I ask?
A cyclist ate my baby?
Roadie grooming ring smashed in Richmond Park?
I watch the Daily Mails front page with growing horror.
Not entirely related, but I
Not entirely related, but I did once see a cyclist knock a blind person flying – and they just carried on riding. Single worst thing I’ve ever seen a ‘fellow’ cyclist do.
So how many visually
So how many visually compromised people don’t feel safe outside because of motor traffic and how many a year killed or injured by whizzing metal boxes with fat angry bees rattling about inside?
I presume in the interests of fairness and in order to present a credible and comprehensive picture of life with this disability that this information is to follow?
Disappointed. I did a 3 mile walk for GDFB when I was a 6 year old kid. Can I get my £5 charity cash back?!