Tiso 12-speed wireless transmission finally breaks cover + video

Sounds pretty interesting to me. Would love to get a sense of price cf. the other offerings. Other question would be real life reliability. Seems Di2 is pretty solid. Tiso groupset would need to be robust and wireless link not susceptible to interference (esp. in situations where you were riding with other Tiso users)

Also entertained by the hacking possibilities of wireless. Just imagine being able to control other competitors' gear changes when they were least expecting! Imagine wireless security will be good, but the idea is still amusing.

Don't know anything at all about Tiso (although looking at their website, I think I recall having seen their colourful upgrade kits available to buy somewhere). Are their components any good?

I'd also want their cassettes to be compatible with Shimano freehubs, but appreciate that it may be a bit of a tall order getting a 12-speed in the space that a Shimano 10 speed currently takes.

One to follow in any case. Look forward to reading the first reviews...

Wireless transmission - perfect for when you want to control the gearshifts on someone else's bike.

Or when the legs that are pedalling the bike are not directly attached to the upper body. Leave your torso/arms/head in the warm and dry car following close behind!

Or for when some bright spark comes up with handlebars that maintain their position via magnetic levitation above the bike - you don't want pesky cables ruining the look!

Or have I missed the point?!

I can see why you'd want to launch a 12-speed on 12/12/12 but don't understand the 'remote'. Does that make it easier to service?

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It might work superbly. But they forgot to make it PRETTY! Form and function, innit?

Tjuice wrote:

potential to integrate in the future with a cycle computer (which could tell you which gear you were in at any point - something you might forget when you've got 12 to choose from...)

Does anyone need to know what gear they're in? I always subscribe to the Little Red Riding Hood approach. In most situations one gear is too big, one too small, one just right. It's rare (well, never to be totally honest) I ride along thinking "I should be in 9th gear in the big ring now".

I'll be on cabled 10 speed for a long time yet, its reliable, cheap and offers more than enough range. We make life too complicated for ourselves. Chill.

Ooh. One minute too late.

Glad to see I'm not the only fairytale pedant, just the slowest.

I thought it was Alice in wonderland who did the too big, too small schtick.

Anyway, I'm Duncan Bannatyne, and I'm out. I've got my cables set up nicely and my finger doesn't run out of battery.

Call me a smelly old hippy but one of the things i love about bikes is their relatively low impact on the environment.
What with all this new technology that runs from batteries and an on going reliance of electricity we, as cyclists, are in danger of just perpetuating the relentless use of nasty heavy metals and chemicals involved in the production of batteries.
All this electronic shifting is all very seductive and all but lets be part of the solution and not part of the problem eh?

You could have lots of fun changing someone else's gears for them ... remotely.

I don't remember any bicycles in Goldilocks. It's more likely to have been Little Red Riding Hood: the clue's in the name.

The discussions about the lines being better with no cables will only hold true with wireless actuated brakes into the bargain!

Nice idea though, and when it's gen 4, robust and with an easily inside frame hideable battery pack, that is charged with an efficient (it can't be very frictionless and generate power) hub mounted altenator/dynamo with those actuated brakes, then I might consider leaving cables behind.

Not sure I would ever need 12 speed though.

Your phone will connect to this system via bluetooth. You can then upload your planned ride to an app. and by anticipating the gradient using GPS and using historical data gathered from previous rides via HRM and Power Output Meters and having ensured you prepared properly over a number of days prior to the ride itself by working out the best diet for you, will then calculate the optimum gear for you and automatically change it to ensure you complete the ride as fresh as possible. You could of course adjust the difficulty rating. It will be like your own personal trainer. It could also be charged using a dynamo so you wouldn't even need batteries.

That sounds utterly, skull crushingly, depressingly dull what you've described there raggatip. It's so clinical there's almost no point even going out, you may as well stick a DVD on and pretend you're going on a ride if you want to switch your mind that far to the off position.

The way racing is going the DS will have the remote in the car...

I think raggatip may have been joking.

As for children's stories:
My my grandmama what big gears you have!
All the better for ripping your legs off in 53x11 my dear.

Joke or not, it's still a disturbing prospect.

Seriously how many gears are enough? It seems an interesting idea however the need to run power wires kind of kills the whole point of wireless shifting to me.

First of all. I noticed some were commenting on 'why wireless ?' To me it makes perfect sense. I personally don't get excited about a 'wired' set up. So wireless I think is where all this electronic wizardry should be at. And its only a wireless set up that I would even consider buying... later, in the future, when it becomes more affordable for us mere peasants who are not pro riders and are sponsored.

Secondly. I read some criticism about batteries and the environment etc. Fair call. I say take it one step further. Design the electronic gear set up so that it runs off a dynamo front hub. So you never have to worry about charging batteries or getting stuck out on the road with flat batteries. You could further enhance this by making the set up adaptable to both batteries and dyno power. That way, you could train with dyno power and use a different wheel (if necessary) to ride on batteries for those that want to race and are concerned about dyno drag.

I'm impressed, I always figured Di2 v2 would be wireless so would be interesting how close the Tiso stuff is to production. It might not be pretty but it manages to look a whole lot better than Shimano and Campy's electronic efforts.
I share concerns over the security of the wireless set up though, as well as it being a small Italian manufacturer (Italians and electrics generally aren't a great combo :p ), not sure about the 12-speed either, I'm all for more gears but at some point the dishing on the wheel is going to become a major factor.
I'd like to say "I'm in" but I'm guessing cost alone will rule me out even if my concerns were addressed, still it's good someone is genuinely innovating as Shimano have dropped the ball recently.