Video: Jens Voigt completes challenge to 'Everest' hill in Berlin – or does he?

don simon wrote:

You forgot to put the bits I disagree with. You came in with an arrogance and belittling attitude of those who either want to run multpile marathons on consecutive days, because you once ran a fair bit, or have Everested as being " frequently and liberally used in everything written about it which is disingenuous and misleading."

So apart from you arrogance, belittling attitude and inability to accept the use of the word Everesting, yes, we're in complete agreement...

Pretty sure you didn't bother to analyse the opinion you asked for enough to realise you were in agreement with almost all of it. As for belittling multiple marathons, what other appropriate response is there when it's clearly within Jens capabilities yet he makes it sound so awesomely tough and superhuman?

Pretty sure Eddy Izzard couldn't have ridden a bike anything like as hard as Jens. Not in heels anyway. Yet he ran that distance for weeks on end and seemed to quite enjoy it.

Leviathan wrote:

Wow, these AI bots are getting cleverer all the time, but you need to work on your pop culture references, Simboid.

Pop culture? Would you like me to invent something that never happened because it's a bit more current? Sorry for being a bit old and not knowing any Harry Kane stories.

Tommytrucker wrote:

I don't think there's anybody who does think they're anything like each other. It's using Everest as a comparison for the relative height someone has climbed, it being quite a well known mountain, non cyclists can see that in their minds as opposed to somebody telling them they climbed 8848m by going up their local hill umpteen times.

Yeah, exactly this. Simboid, if someone actually did try to equate the two achievements I would whole heartedly agree with you, but no-one really does - it's bloody hard but it's just an easily relatable height challenge.

fukawitribe wrote:

Tommytrucker wrote:

I don't think there's anybody who does think they're anything like each other. It's using Everest as a comparison for the relative height someone has climbed, it being quite a well known mountain, non cyclists can see that in their minds as opposed to somebody telling them they climbed 8848m by going up their local hill umpteen times.

Yeah, exactly this. Simboid, if someone actually did try to equate the two achievements I would whole heartedly agree with you, but no-one really does - it's bloody hard but it's just an easily relatable height challenge.

Fair point.

don simon wrote:

If I'm right here, you're slating people for having a bit of fun, while imagining that they imagine that they've done the equivalent of climbing Everest. You're lambasting anyone who's done this by citing the dificulties that an Everest climber would face, even though you have no experience of climbing Everest.

#Cute

You're not right.

-It's never described by those who do it as a bit of fun but as an acheivement, which it is as it's far from easy.

-I don't believe anyone who's done this imagines for a minute they've done something equal to climbing Everest, however the phrase 'the equivolent of climbing Everest' is frequently and liberally used in everything written about it which is disingenuous and misleading.

-In the 80s, 90s and early 2000s I climbed whenever I could afford it. Mostly the Alps but 6 times in the Himalaya. The highest I managed was in the Annapurna massif where we  got up the sub-peak of Hiunchuli at 6441m.  Not huge but scary enough.

So you're right that I have zero experience on Everest, but I've only ever climbed alpine style with no sherpas or fixed ropes and with a very limited budget,  I wouldn't touch a congested tourist trap like Everest if you paid the 60 grand summit fee for me. There is very little respect shown by those who go there, mostly rich men looking for a bucket list acheivement recruiting locals who'll do the hard bits for them.

Simboid wrote:

don simon wrote:

If I'm right here, you're slating people for having a bit of fun, while imagining that they imagine that they've done the equivalent of climbing Everest. You're lambasting anyone who's done this by citing the dificulties that an Everest climber would face, even though you have no experience of climbing Everest.

#Cute

You're not right.

-It's never described by those who do it as a bit of fun but as an acheivement, which it is as it's far from easy.

-I don't believe anyone who's done this imagines for a minute they've done something equal to climbing Everest, however the phrase 'the equivolent of climbing Everest' is frequently and liberally used in everything written about it which is disingenuous and misleading.

-In the 80s, 90s and early 2000s I climbed whenever I could afford it. Mostly the Alps but 6 times in the Himalaya. The highest I managed was in the Annapurna massif where we  got up the sub-peak of Hiunchuli at 6441m.  Not huge but scary enough.

So you're right that I have zero experience on Everest, but I've only ever climbed alpine style with no sherpas or fixed ropes and with a very limited budget,  I wouldn't touch a congested tourist trap like Everest if you paid the 60 grand summit fee for me. There is very little respect shown by those who go there, mostly rich men looking for a bucket list acheivement recruiting locals who'll do the hard bits for them.

I think that climbing 8848m in a single ride is quite an epic thing to do, and people who do it should be proud of their achievements. You haven't done anything special that puts you in a position to judge them.

Some of the nicest people I've met in sport are the winners, the champions, the world champions. Those that aren't near the best are the ones who complain, criticise and generally have a pop at everyone else for their own failures.

You were told to stop digging a hole for yourself some time ago. You didn't. Your opinion on these people achieving something, including Jens, puts them head and shoulders above you.

Have a great Christmas!

don simon wrote:

 

I think that climbing 8848m in a single ride is quite an epic thing to do, and people who do it should be proud of their achievements. You haven't done anything special that puts you in a position to judge them.

Some of the nicest people I've met in sport are the winners, the champions, the world champions. Those that aren't near the best are the ones who complain, criticise and generally have a pop at everyone else for their own failures.

You were told to stop digging a hole for yourself some time ago. You didn't. Your opinion on these people achieving something, including Jens, puts them head and shoulders above you.

Have a great Christmas!

You could at least read the post you're criticising, you seem to agree with most of it while ignoring the rest. Ever climbed a remote Himalayan peak with what you can carry and no oxygen? I can tell you that, in your own words, it's an epic thing to do.

The biggest arseholes I've met in life have been the ones obsessed with winning, with bagging famous peaks or holding records, who look upon everyone else as losers and themselves as something special. Any climber with that attitude is a danger to themselves and anyone around them and is generally avoided. I was unlucky enough to meet Oscar Pistorius several times while supporting a paralympian friend and I can tell you he was always a complete c*nt. Sure, celebrity winners doing a bit of PR say all the right things but you don't know them or what they're like in private. 

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......  I was unlucky enough to meet Oscar Pistorius several times while supporting a paralympian friend and I can tell you he was always a complete c*nt. ....... 

Oh come on!  He may not be your favourite person but it's not like he murdered his girlfriend or something.

Simboid wrote:

don simon wrote:

 

I think that climbing 8848m in a single ride is quite an epic thing to do, and people who do it should be proud of their achievements. You haven't done anything special that puts you in a position to judge them.

Some of the nicest people I've met in sport are the winners, the champions, the world champions. Those that aren't near the best are the ones who complain, criticise and generally have a pop at everyone else for their own failures.

You were told to stop digging a hole for yourself some time ago. You didn't. Your opinion on these people achieving something, including Jens, puts them head and shoulders above you.

Have a great Christmas!

You could at least read the post you're criticising, you seem to agree with most of it while ignoring the rest. Ever climbed a remote Himalayan peak with what you can carry and no oxygen? I can tell you that, in your own words, it's an epic thing to do.

The biggest arseholes I've met in life have been the ones obsessed with winning, with bagging famous peaks or holding records, who look upon everyone else as losers and themselves as something special. Any climber with that attitude is a danger to themselves and anyone around them and is generally avoided. I was unlucky enough to meet Oscar Pistorius several times while supporting a paralympian friend and I can tell you he was always a complete c*nt. Sure, celebrity winners doing a bit of PR say all the right things but you don't know them or what they're like in private. 

You see, this is where I get confused.

You said: -I don't believe anyone who's done this imagines for a minute they've done something equal to climbing Everest, however the phrase 'the equivolent of climbing Everest' is frequently and liberally used in everything written about it which is disingenuous and misleading.

I replied that Everesting is epic for these people and that they are not equating it to actually climbing Everest, it does not dimish anything, it's their own personal Everest, so not agreeing with you.

You said: The biggest arseholes I've met in life have been the ones obsessed with winning, with bagging famous peaks or holding records, who look upon everyone else as losers and themselves as something special.

I say: QED.

Whether I have or haven't solod Everest in my boxer shorts singing The Greatest Hits of The Back Street Boys is irrelevant in your little game of one upmanship.

don simon wrote:

Simboid wrote:

don simon wrote:

 

I think that climbing 8848m in a single ride is quite an epic thing to do, and people who do it should be proud of their achievements. You haven't done anything special that puts you in a position to judge them.

Some of the nicest people I've met in sport are the winners, the champions, the world champions. Those that aren't near the best are the ones who complain, criticise and generally have a pop at everyone else for their own failures.

You were told to stop digging a hole for yourself some time ago. You didn't. Your opinion on these people achieving something, including Jens, puts them head and shoulders above you.

Have a great Christmas!

You could at least read the post you're criticising, you seem to agree with most of it while ignoring the rest. Ever climbed a remote Himalayan peak with what you can carry and no oxygen? I can tell you that, in your own words, it's an epic thing to do.

The biggest arseholes I've met in life have been the ones obsessed with winning, with bagging famous peaks or holding records, who look upon everyone else as losers and themselves as something special. Any climber with that attitude is a danger to themselves and anyone around them and is generally avoided. I was unlucky enough to meet Oscar Pistorius several times while supporting a paralympian friend and I can tell you he was always a complete c*nt. Sure, celebrity winners doing a bit of PR say all the right things but you don't know them or what they're like in private. 

You see, this is where I get confused.

You said: -I don't believe anyone who's done this imagines for a minute they've done something equal to climbing Everest, however the phrase 'the equivolent of climbing Everest' is frequently and liberally used in everything written about it which is disingenuous and misleading.

I replied that Everesting is epic for these people and that they are not equating it to actually climbing Everest, it does not dimish anything, it's their own personal Everest, so not agreeing with you.

You said: The biggest arseholes I've met in life have been the ones obsessed with winning, with bagging famous peaks or holding records, who look upon everyone else as losers and themselves as something special.

I say: QED.

Whether I have or haven't solod Everest in my boxer shorts singing The Greatest Hits of The Back Street Boys is irrelevant in your little game of one upmanship.

Not only are you misquoting yourself, you're failing to recognise that it's impossible to play one upmanship on your own.

Simboid wrote:

don simon wrote:

Simboid wrote:

don simon wrote:

 

I think that climbing 8848m in a single ride is quite an epic thing to do, and people who do it should be proud of their achievements. You haven't done anything special that puts you in a position to judge them.

Some of the nicest people I've met in sport are the winners, the champions, the world champions. Those that aren't near the best are the ones who complain, criticise and generally have a pop at everyone else for their own failures.

You were told to stop digging a hole for yourself some time ago. You didn't. Your opinion on these people achieving something, including Jens, puts them head and shoulders above you.

Have a great Christmas!

You could at least read the post you're criticising, you seem to agree with most of it while ignoring the rest. Ever climbed a remote Himalayan peak with what you can carry and no oxygen? I can tell you that, in your own words, it's an epic thing to do.

The biggest arseholes I've met in life have been the ones obsessed with winning, with bagging famous peaks or holding records, who look upon everyone else as losers and themselves as something special. Any climber with that attitude is a danger to themselves and anyone around them and is generally avoided. I was unlucky enough to meet Oscar Pistorius several times while supporting a paralympian friend and I can tell you he was always a complete c*nt. Sure, celebrity winners doing a bit of PR say all the right things but you don't know them or what they're like in private. 

You see, this is where I get confused.

You said: -I don't believe anyone who's done this imagines for a minute they've done something equal to climbing Everest, however the phrase 'the equivolent of climbing Everest' is frequently and liberally used in everything written about it which is disingenuous and misleading.

I replied that Everesting is epic for these people and that they are not equating it to actually climbing Everest, it does not dimish anything, it's their own personal Everest, so not agreeing with you.

You said: The biggest arseholes I've met in life have been the ones obsessed with winning, with bagging famous peaks or holding records, who look upon everyone else as losers and themselves as something special.

I say: QED.

Whether I have or haven't solod Everest in my boxer shorts singing The Greatest Hits of The Back Street Boys is irrelevant in your little game of one upmanship.

Not only are you misquoting yourself, you're failing to recognise that it's impossible to play one upmanship on your own.

Eh?

Crack on matey...

We're all in awe of your awesomeness.

don simon wrote:

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Eh?

Crack on matey...

We're all in awe of your awesomeness.

So you want to know what I've done that allows me to have an opinion (about which I should have kept quiet, but you asked so I told you), then tell me I'm boasting? Odd.

You think that me saying 'Everesting' is undoubtably an achievement and that I don't think anyone who does it thinks for a minute they've done the literal equivolent of climbing Everest and you replying  'that Everesting is epic for these people and that they are not equating it to actually climbing Everest' is somehow you not agreeing with me?

And you say YOU'RE confused...

fukawitribe wrote:

Simboid. The rules are the rules and, being set out by a person they are by their very nature contrived, at least you now know they exist. Of course part of this is fun, in a particularly perverse, that doesn't stop it being a challenge, as you may now appreciate if you've actually read them. If you still have massive objections to the term, perhaps your next search might be into its origin and in particular who coined it... just a thought.

George Mallory, grandson of George Mallory, interesting. Still don't like the idea of it being a 'thing' in itself, he was using it as a training aid for an actual climb after all and explains how the 2 things are nothing like each other.

davel wrote:

@Simboid - 1. It's a figure of speech (I don't think anyone is claiming to have climbed Everest by doing it), and 2. Doing it over 15 years doesn't count, no.

It's an insulting and innacurate figure of speech. Since there are apparently no rules and we can draw an arbitrary line only at 8848m whatever the circumstances I say it does count which makes me a hard man and total legend. Now pay up an amount of your choice to The Himalayan Trust. 

Thankyou.

Simboid wrote:

davel wrote:

@Simboid - 1. It's a figure of speech (I don't think anyone is claiming to have climbed Everest by doing it), and 2. Doing it over 15 years doesn't count, no.

It's an insulting and innacurate figure of speech. Since there are apparently no rules and we can draw an arbitrary line only at 8848m whatever the circumstances I say it does count which makes me a hard man and total legend. Now pay up an amount of your choice to The Himalayan Trust. 

Thankyou.

What is your major malfunction?