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cycling ethics
are there any ethical questions to do with cycling? i dont mean road etiquette. i mean things like a bike's provenance etc. you seem quite happy to reproduce soft porn images to illustrate your articles on the porn peddlars for example. when one considers the catastrophic effects of porn on society at large does a little charity work really offset that?
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why do you think i'm narrow minded? i'm broad minded enough to have embraced a deeply unpopular point of view afterall. you elide my point about context. i'll repeat it. 4 articles, 3 soft porn shots and a woman on a bike. after the 1st porn photo as information it becomes gratuitous. and culturally acquiescent. if you like and use porn dont compel others to consume it just by reading about bikes.
i changed loony to right-on because i no longer thought loony was an appropriate description. you didnt take that on board.
I'm a loony liberal because I don't agree with your narrow-minded outrage and decision to complain about road.cc contextually illustrating an article rather than doing something that's actually _useful_ to advance your views?
Interesting take.
moral outrage? no. i see social horror as a result of porn. i'm complaining about the editorial policy of a cycling magazine. that's to do with cycling isnt it? thanks for the right-on liberal take on sexuality and the workplace. and what hypocrisy wd that be?
It seems clear that this post is not about cycling ethics in general, but is an anti-pornography complaint.
If you think road.cc illustrating an article on adult workers with a tame image is a problem, then I struggle to understand your logic. road.cc does not plaster gratituous sexual imagery over its website or articles. The images are contextual, if a little crass, and I can see why those who work in the industry are happy to do such things. Working in pornography causes various relationship difficulties, is looked down upon by certain members of society (many of whom consume it behind closed doors) and because of the taboo surrounding it, receives no support from government in dealing with the rampant piracy which makes it very difficult for models and producers - who are performing legitimate work - to sustain themselves, and drives prices up, perpetuating the problem. Those people have no reason to care about what you think, because this hypocrisy is well-known.
I think your moral outrage would be better directed elsewhere. With the ease of finding sexualized imagery online in locations which are far, far more likely than road.cc to experience traffic from those who are too young to be subjected to it - such as in music videos - I don't feel this is the right place for it.
it might be ok to objectify yrself behind closed curtains but as soon as other peoples sexuality intrudes on the lives of children and the non consenting adult public it's a problem.
i cd be wrong but ive seen 3 reports on this site about the porn peddlers and all have been accompanied by a soft porn photo which, when seen as a trend, looks very much like porn endorsement / enthusiasm / amusement on the part of road.cc editors. porn is a social catastrophe.
as a maths exercise i once calculated the number of plastic bottles thrown into the french countryside by riders in the tour de france over 30 days. it was a large number.
Lovely exercise, but it's based on the premise that the organisers & marshalls & team workers don't make arrangements to sweep these up after the riders have been through . . . so have you factored that into your equation?
no, i didnt. i saw at least one bottle going over a tall hedge. one bottle too many. they shd be made to carry waste pouches.
One reason why I'm not keen on major, competitive sporting events in general. Though I don't believe the Tour De France is anywhere near one of the bigger offenders. But the fact that it's often an environmental catastrophe is one reason why if it were up to me I'd scrap the Olympics. Glad you agree. Now there's two of us in the 'end the Olympics, now!' movement.
The (football) World Cup can go as well. I really don't care about the Tour, but if that has to go as well, in order to end the festival of corruption, nationalism, fake-amateurism and misplaced priorities that are the Olympics and international Soccer, I'm OK with that. Down with all high-stakes, sham-amateur, competitive sport! Stop encouraging unnecessary competitiveness over things that don't really matter!
Or is it only cycling you have an undisclosed agenda about? Can we all throw in our pet causes, even if they are eccentric-ideological rather than being down to some weird personal gripe (you're a petrol-head who got banned and is pathetically upset about it, aren't you?)
Yes plenty. From the conditions in the factories that make the frames and materials, to the transport etc. Carbon doesn't sit well environmentally, but steel doesn't grow on trees either.
Not to mention the entourage that follows a pro race. And the involvement of Ineos has triggered some interesting discussions.
The Porn Pedlars is an interesting one... the outrage that the E3 Harelbeke generated from its recent picture/video, yet its OK for people to objectify themselves.
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