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My reading of the Vuelta rules is that there is a daily award for the best young rider in the GC classification, but not a young rider classification as such. So there would be no YR classification points scored in road.cc.  Can anyone clarify?

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JohnnyRemo [310 posts] 11 months ago
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Mark 60 wrote:

While I am here,  what are some of the best preview sites out there that people are using. 

I basically check Cycling Weekly, Ciclisimino (?) and C-Cycling but beyond that Haven’t found good stuff.

Anyone want to share?

The bookies are rarely wrong, so worth checking oddschecker and the like. Cycling Quotes is a Danish site that does pretty in-depth previews for the day's big races.

*BUT*  - you're taking advice from the Forum Scorum perennial lanterne rouge...

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Sniffer [664 posts] 11 months ago
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JohnnyRemo wrote:
Mark 60 wrote:

While I am here,  what are some of the best preview sites out there that people are using. 

I basically check Cycling Weekly, Ciclisimino (?) and C-Cycling but beyond that Haven’t found good stuff.

Anyone want to share?

The bookies are rarely wrong, so worth checking oddschecker and the like. Cycling Quotes is a Danish site that does pretty in-depth previews for the day's big races.

*BUT*  - you're taking advice from the Forum Scorum perennial lanterne rouge...

I think the English language Cyclingquotes gave up, although you can still something from the same people if your Danish is good enough.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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I'll settle for that. A conscious decision to sit on my hand due to the unknown and the fact most other would be in the same boat. Only dropped two places. Having said that if I'd known what that stage was actually like there wouldn't have been a hop in hell I'd have kept my sprinters.

I've looked at tomorrow's stage on cyclingstages and it looks like they may have done the same again..or have they?....Doesn't look much like a sprinters finish to me.

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Condor Andy [776 posts] 11 months ago
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Tomorrow is definitely not a sprinters stage. The final climb isn't that hard, but it's narrow, poor surface, and a steady gradient between 5-6%. It's a classics finish. Sagan v Valverde punch up again. Or maybe some others fancy it. Similar line-up to today's top finishers plus a couple more GC men.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Mark 60 wrote:

While I am here,  what are some of the best preview sites out there that people are using. 

I basically check Cycling Weekly, Ciclisimino (?) and C-Cycling but beyond that Haven’t found good stuff.

Anyone want to share?

mytwospokesworth is a nice blog. Just a chap who writes up his opinion on the next days stage with his thoughts on the best "outsider picks" for that day. He does it with a view to finding good odds for betting folk but  he has a good handle on the state of play. Check him out.

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archieboy [89 posts] 11 months ago
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Condor Andy wrote:

Tomorrow is definitely not a sprinters stage. The final climb isn't that hard, but it's narrow, poor surface, and a steady gradient between 5-6%. It's a classics finish. Sagan v Valverde punch up again. Or maybe some others fancy it. Similar line-up to today's top finishers plus a couple more GC men.

 

Just looked at Stg 8 run in. With that full roundabout at 500m to go if they ain't in the top ten then forget it because after that it's single track to the line. Looks like the roundabout could be chaos if anyone goes down.

Oh a vid of the final 5k is on Velorooms in the stage preview. If that helps anyone.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Just seen that Archie...thanks. Stil got my sprinters and I'm gonna sit on my hands again. Too hard to pick a puncheurs outside of Kwia Valverde and Sagan (Fraille?).  Once again so much "sprinter" advice on line that I can't think too many will sell them again...so plenty of teams will all be on the wrong horses. 

Further into this race transfers will become precious with plenty of turn arounds between sprinters and Summit finishes. 

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Kwia with decent odds for tomorrow. Surely it's too steep for him isn't it?

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MinardiM189 [630 posts] 11 months ago
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Sniffer wrote:

 

I think the English language Cyclingquotes gave up, although you can still something from the same people if your Danish is good enough.

If you use Chrome web browser there is an option to translate webpages to English.

I read Feltet.dk using that.

Other previews worth reading are CyclingMole on twitter https://twitter.com/cyclingmole although he also runs a cycling betting syndicate and he may leave his top betting tip out of the preview. The bookies usually change their odds after reading his previews.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Dr Winston wrote:

Kwia with decent odds for tomorrow. Surely it's too steep for him isn't it?

Crikey. He made me sweat on that but pop went Kwia. Hopefully most kept him.

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Mark 60 [4 posts] 11 months ago
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Thanks to all those who have made suggestions regarding the sites to read and the discussions on transfers and stages. I’ll have a look at them.

I like the Vuelta Fantasy a lot, less predictable then the other grand tours.  The lumpy stages keeps the thought processes working overtime, rarely can you set and forget. Even the flat stages aren’t!

I’ve been guilty of chasing the breakaways this tour and I’ve overspent on the transfers so I think the last two weeks might be a bit lean. I look at those above me and shake my head at how they get there with so few transfers.

I have been trying to pay more attention to those non core points this time, the climber and sprinter bonuses for instance and this certainly makes a difference when you get it right. 

The game certainly is a learning  process.

 

 

 

 

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Mark 60 [4 posts] 11 months ago
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Kwia with decent odds for tomorrow. Surely it's too steep for him isn't it?

Crikey. He made me sweat on that but pop went Kwia. Hopefully most kept him.

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Yep, that is where transfer debt hits. I couldn’t afford to swap him out, even though it was steep for him. Decided to wait for the sprint stage and shed him then. Costly. 

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Kwia with decent odds for tomorrow. Surely it's too steep for him isn't it?

Crikey. He made me sweat on that but pop went Kwia. Hopefully most kept him.

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Yep, that is where transfer debt hits. I couldn’t afford to swap him out, even though it was steep for him. Decided to wait for the sprint stage and shed him then. Costly. 

it's where this game is so good. Good idea for me yesterday but now everybody else has him for three days of what could be good pts whilst I've jumped ship. 

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Mmmm....Back to back "traps" coming up. Let the guessing games begin (11/12)...Nibali, Kuss, Mollema, Gorka, Porte, Fraille...blah blah blah....it's a long list. Any thoughts?

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Condor Andy [776 posts] 11 months ago
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'Tis a most perplexing guessing game. Tomorrow looks like great fun. A hell of a lot of climbing means they'll be lot's of action. I'm going for a big break, 15+, De Gendt, Fraile, Conti, Teuns maybe. Bit of a lottery so I may save my transfers, but I just know some lucky person is going to nail it.  I fancy Thursday to come down to a sprint again, or at least a reduced bunch.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Condor Andy wrote:

'Tis a most perplexing guessing game. Tomorrow looks like great fun. A hell of a lot of climbing means they'll be lot's of action. I'm going for a big break, 15+, De Gendt, Fraile, Conti, Teuns maybe. Bit of a lottery so I may save my transfers, but I just know some lucky person is going to nail it.  I fancy Thursday to come down to a sprint again, or at least a reduced bunch.

may indeed be a stage to just sit on our hands. Some big 200pt stages coming up and turn around for Summit/sprints/TT to think about. 

I also think one of, or maybe both of  Yates and Valverde have the potential to blow up...I'm not convinced by either for three summits in a row. What do you think Andy?

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Condor Andy [776 posts] 11 months ago
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Dr Winston wrote:

I also think one of, or maybe both of  Yates and Valverde have the potential to blow up...I'm not convinced by either for three summits in a row. What do you think Andy?

Valverde has said he's had his fun, Quintana is the Movistar leader, but I still fancy Valverde to feature. Yates is pacing himself, won't mind losing the jersey and let's see what he does at the wekeend and next week. Lopez looks really good.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Condor Andy wrote:
Dr Winston wrote:

I also think one of, or maybe both of  Yates and Valverde have the potential to blow up...I'm not convinced by either for three summits in a row. What do you think Andy?

Valverde has said he's had his fun, Quintana is the Movistar leader, but I still fancy Valverde to feature. Yates is pacing himself, won't mind losing the jersey and let's see what he does at the wekeend and next week. Lopez looks really good.

kelderman also looking really good. Going under the radar a bit but he can punch a really big hole in his deficit at the TT.  Uran also looks well in control of the situation. 

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archieboy [89 posts] 11 months ago
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That's some  finish for Stg 12, no wider than a farm track, going to be fun.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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archieboy wrote:

That's some  finish for Stg 12, no wider than a farm track, going to be fun.

 

i've seen the video Archie....not sure what to make of it.  Strong sprinter odds for torrow but I have no idea how they arrive at that if that video is for real...is it?

 

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archieboy [89 posts] 11 months ago
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Well if the finish is at the lighthouse it's real, unless Google maps have it wrong.

There's a lot of lumps today for the sprinter types to get over ,not sure how this is classed a flat stage but we will see in a few hours time.

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Sniffer [664 posts] 11 months ago
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archieboy wrote:

Well if the finish is at the lighthouse it's real, unless Google maps have it wrong.

There's a lot of lumps today for the sprinter types to get over ,not sure how this is classed a flat stage but we will see in a few hours time.

Big break, sprinter teams with representatives in it.  Who is going to chase?

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archieboy [89 posts] 11 months ago
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Well Google maps were right, only difference was the new tarmac up that lane.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Fantastic GC battle today. Same tomorrow?....i thought a few looked like the rest day can't come soon enough already...

Any thoughts?

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Condor Andy [776 posts] 11 months ago
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4 transfers left after today....welp.

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runaroundsioux [21 posts] 11 months ago
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Hmmmm - Good luck from there Condor Andy.  I am struggling with 4 after todays transfers.

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Sniffer [664 posts] 11 months ago
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runaroundsioux wrote:

Hmmmm - Good luck from there Condor Andy.  I am struggling with 4 after todays transfers.

I have a couple more, but you always regret the ones you make earlier in a race that didn't work out.  With the TT, SF, Flat, SF, SF, Flat stages in the last week it has required maybe a couple more transfers than some final weeks of a Grand Tour. 

The other we we are seeing is all those breakaway wins, it kind of encourages you to chase those, but that is a much tougher predicton than who might do the business as a GC contender.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Breakaway's can really screw you up in this game in more ways than just trying to pick them.

I went for Enric Mas in my Spaniards only team. I felt certain he would do well (shame about no white Jersey) by being one of the best GC riders and getting assists for Viviani's wins. Sadly he made up most of his times on breakaway days before this week so lies third and has been a real points dodger.

Pffft.

7 transfers left for the last three days for me...but...i have to confess i missed two deadlines that, by sheer luck, turned out to be breakaway days with minimal points all round...so i'm claiming no credit.

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Condor Andy [776 posts] 11 months ago
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Mas has picked up 5 points for each of the last two stages for the young persons award, before him it was Lopez. Shame it's just an award and not a full jersey, but hey-ho.

I have a feeling a breakaway might get tomorrow, but it might not be as big as ones we have been seeing. There are a few people who have gone empty handed despite being in nearly every mountain breakaway and they should do well tomorrow.  Anyone interested in the KOM jersey will wait until Saturday.

So tomorrow's breakaway might include Teuns, Zakarin, De La Cruz, Majka, maybe King and Saturday will be De Gendt, Mollema, Mate (if he has anything left), and anyone else who hasn't fought for a stage win. I still fancy the GC to take Saturday, so tomorrow might be the last chance for a breakaway.

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Dr Winston [790 posts] 11 months ago
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Not sure how it will pan out Andy. The best Valverde can hope for (if he wants to win it) is only about 5/10 seconds from open play, so to speak, in a race to the line atop either/both summits...he certainly won't ride into the sunset over Yates for sure. So a GC finish finish for both stages is surely his only hope. That narrow lead is a game changer on both stages....if it was a minute or more then it may be different. I'm going for GC finish for both stages driven by Movistar...or at least that should be their plan.

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