Home

So the other day I was crossing the M60 on Manchester Road between Cheadle and East Didsbury/Parrswood. It is a nice straight country road in the middle of the suburbs cutting through some farms, over the Mersey and M60/train and some school fields. A little oasis in the south of the city. I was heading northbound just cresting the top of the hill and heading downhill at about 40kph. Just then a car passes quite close to me and a voice emanates from it shouting "CYCLE LANE." The motorist moved ahead of me and I was unable to interrogate him on what he could have meant. 

It was confusing as there was a wide mixed use pavement on the southbound side of the road, but no cycle lane on either side of the road. I wonder if he was suggesting I veer across both lanes of the road to the pavement and mount the curb/kerb at speed. This could be dangerous, as would cycling along such a pavement at over 40kph with possibly unlit pedestrians in the dark. Unfortunately I was unable to disabuse the gentleman of his suggestion and continued to cycle safely on the left of the carriageway. 

Here is a googlemaps pic of the spot on looking north on the southbound side

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4015585,-2.2164325,3a,75y,347.03h,65.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFLG-gMxvHJa2aMsIn097Ng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

20 comments

Avatar
SHAUNAM [22 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes

Yes, I see what you mean, I can't see a cycle lane either!  It would be dangerous for pedestrians for you to cycle on the pavement, and I think that's illegal isn't it?  

Avatar
BBB [510 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes

In cases like that I usually reply with Air Zound and appropriate "you idiot" gesture.

 

Avatar
CygnusX1 [1208 posts] 2 years ago
1 like

Had a similar occurence last summer cycling south on the A57 past Barton aerodrome, on a sunday morning.

Its a dual carriageway with 2 lanes in each direction and a shared use path on the northbound carriageway. Its a busy road during the week, full of HGVs and commuters, but on the sunday morning in question the traffic levels were similar to that shown in the Streetview link below:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4701571,-2.3838422,3a,75y,219.45h,73.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEjjq4mJf5gYhpCRdFt8Sew!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Now admittedly I wasn't doing 40kph like Leviathan, its a long slight uphill incline and I was out for a leisurely 2 hour ride so I was probably doing 20 - 25kph enjoying the quiet and listening to the bird song.

This tranquility was suddenly shattered when a car doing at least 50mph passed within a foot of me with horn blaring, scaring the bejeezus out of me, then haring off into the distance.

Okay, I'm still alive, don't let the cockwomble ruin what had been until then a pleasurable ride, let the heart rate normalise...

Hang about -- what's this at the next layby / access point?  It's only the same wankpuffin jumping out of his car and shouting at me that I shouldn't be on the road and that I should be on the cycle lane.

In this occasion, I decided that attempting to disabuse the gentleman of his misconceprions and educate him on the rules of the road was probably not the wisest move, and so chose instead to continue cycling safely in the inside lane of the left hand carriageway...

 

  

Avatar
davel [2723 posts] 2 years ago
2 likes

Maybe he's a frustrated civil engineer having his Falling Down moment, driving around shouting out obvious failings in infrastructure... "PEDESTRIAN FOOTBRIDGE", "HIGH-SPEED TRANSPENNINE RAIL LINK"...

Avatar
Yorkshie Whippet [652 posts] 2 years ago
1 like

My favourite repsonse  is;

 

Read the Highway code!

Avatar
alansmurphy [2336 posts] 2 years ago
2 likes

Even if there was a 15 metre wide cycle lane with a bike mechanic supporting you, beaming sunshine and a bar at the end; you have no legal requirement to use it.

 

You might as well shout "helicopter" in response!

 

Avatar
J886atv [24 posts] 2 years ago
2 likes

Cockwomble and Wankpuffin are my 2 favourite words I've learned from this site.

 I now use them as the response to drivers who shout similar 'advice' about using non existent infrastructure - ie

"Read the Highway Code you Wankpuffin"  1

Avatar
kil0ran [1736 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes
Yorkshie Whippet wrote:

My favourite repsonse  is;

 

Read the Highway code!

 

My favourite response involves a bottle cage-mounted ice pick

Avatar
Kapelmuur [477 posts] 2 years ago
1 like

This reminds me of the time I was asked "why don't you ride on the pavement like all you other c***s"

Avatar
brooksby [5204 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes

I once got shouted at for being on the road on a descent into a local village, on an A-road - apparently I should have been on the far too narrow shared-use pavement at the side of the road, which passed several gates and entrances before stopping at a side road in about a hundred metres...   At least, that's the message I took from the middle aged lady screaming at me whilst hanging out of the passenger window of the Audi passing me at speed.

Avatar
markysd [15 posts] 2 years ago
1 like

Just this morning, around half 6 so not much traffic around, I stopped at traffic lights behind 2 cars. The first car had gone up to the advance stop line so I thought it best to stay in the queue. Not wanting anyone to pull up beside me, I took the lane. Next thing, some tit in a small white van comes alongside and barges in front of me despite there only being around half a cars length to the car in front.

 He actually used his van to push me out of the way. What makes this worse is that he was heading straight on and could have used the other lane (which was empty)

When I knocked on the window to find out what the hell he  was doing, he shouted "you should be in the f'ing cycle lane". I think he was referring to the short stretch leading up to the asl!

it never fails to amaze, and concern, me that some people are so ignorant they are willing to endanger others just because they think they are right!

Avatar
DrG82 [263 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes

at a T junction with lights I had a bloke shout at me to get on the pavement. I said "seriously, that's illegal" to which he said "why are you out here" pointing out that I was in the second lane, to which I replied "because i'm turning right" and so he got out of the car and started pushing and shoving me shouting you got a f'in problem have you.
The stupid thing is that I was being nice to him and waiting behind him at the lights, he was stopped in the advanced stop zone for cyclists. He was also about 65 years old and in pretty poor shape so not the most capable fighter if it had come to blows.

Avatar
schneil [14 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes

I know this exact road. I wouldn't call it an oasis at peak times, it's a main commuter route. As there are not many places you can easily cross the m60 and the river Mersey, it's used by many commuting cyclists. In 2014, to make it more bike/pedestrian friendly, the road had its carriageway narrowed and speed limit dropped from 40 to 30mph. The pavement was then widened and turned (contraversially) into a shared use pavement. The thing is going North (as the OP) was, if you don't know the road, it's difficult to get on the pavement as it's Southbound. You have to do a cheeky right turn after leaving Cheadle village. There's no big road sign with information. Going North it's a slight downhill and if you've got the legs easily possible to average over 20-25mph. The pavement isn't lit that well, and isn't gritted in the Winter. Sometimes people playing football nearby have confused it for a parking bay despite double yellow lines. Most of the time going North or South, it's really busy, so I go for the quiet life and use the shitty path. Once when it was snowing, going North I had to use the main carriageway and had a Neanderthal deliberately swerve his car into me, shouting cycle lane. So I learned my "lesson" there. Fortunately I didn't catch him at the lights or he might have learned a "lesson" from me! All I can hope is karma being a bitch caused him to skid on an untreated surface and crash into a brick wall on the way home.

Avatar
brooksby [5204 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes
markysd wrote:

Just this morning, around half 6 so not much traffic around, I stopped at traffic lights behind 2 cars. The first car had gone up to the advance stop line so I thought it best to stay in the queue. Not wanting anyone to pull up beside me, I took the lane. Next thing, some tit in a small white van comes alongside and barges in front of me despite there only being around half a cars length to the car in front.

i get that a lot at one particular set of traffic lights I go through.  Huge wide road, left bend, with a pedestreian crossing right on the bend.  The lane is probably two and a bit car widths - really huge - and if you don't put yourself right in the middle then cars pull alongside. Except that the lane immediately narrows to "just over a car width" as soon as you go around the bend, so all those cars which have pushed alongside you are promptly trying to push you off the road as soon as the lights have changed...

Avatar
Leviathan [3057 posts] 2 years ago
1 like
schneil wrote:

I know this exact road. I wouldn't call it an oasis at peak times...

I don't tend to be using this stretch at commuter times, but returning from a spin up the peaks. Even so I know exactly what the motorist wanted me to do. Slow down, cross the road, pootle along the pavement, stop, cross the road again, all for the sake of less than 1km of "cycling infrastructure" in the wrong place. This would add a couple of minutes to a road that only takes two minutes to cover anyway. I can't imagine how long it would take waiting for two gaps in traffic at rush hour to cross the road and back again.

These sorts of provision are useful for children and the more timid who are not commuting to a schedule. It is the same issue with all these Dutch bus stops. I had a go down Oxford road the other week, the bus stop bypasses are lethal; there will be collisions. Even the most unexperienced cyclist can get a bit of pace up easily, students on fixies and builders on mountain bikes might well avoid mixing it on the road, but are going to clatter some old dear or a vaping arab meandering off the pavement, with just a bit of red paint below them to sign.

Sometimes I think that the people who build these things might not be actual cyclists. Sometimes I think they might have the objective of slowing cyclists down. Because if they can slow us down, they can relegate us to the pavement to leave more space for their precious cars. 

Avatar
Simboid [142 posts] 2 years ago
2 likes

Bear spray.

"I thought it was deodorant for hairy homosexuals, officer."

Avatar
longassballs [150 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes
CygnusX1 wrote:

Had a similar occurence last summer cycling south on the A57 past Barton aerodrome, on a sunday morning.

Its a dual carriageway with 2 lanes in each direction and a shared use path on the northbound carriageway. Its a busy road during the week, full of HGVs and commuters, but on the sunday morning in question the traffic levels were similar to that shown in the Streetview link below:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4701571,-2.3838422,3a,75y,219.45h,73.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEjjq4mJf5gYhpCRdFt8Sew!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Now admittedly I wasn't doing 40kph like Leviathan, its a long slight uphill incline and I was out for a leisurely 2 hour ride so I was probably doing 20 - 25kph enjoying the quiet and listening to the bird song.

This tranquility was suddenly shattered when a car doing at least 50mph passed within a foot of me with horn blaring, scaring the bejeezus out of me, then haring off into the distance.

Okay, I'm still alive, don't let the cockwomble ruin what had been until then a pleasurable ride, let the heart rate normalise...

Hang about -- what's this at the next layby / access point?  It's only the same wankpuffin jumping out of his car and shouting at me that I shouldn't be on the road and that I should be on the cycle lane.

In this occasion, I decided that attempting to disabuse the gentleman of his misconceprions and educate him on the rules of the road was probably not the wisest move, and so chose instead to continue cycling safely in the inside lane of the left hand carriageway...

 

  

I always go on the mixed use path there. Not many pedestrians and, well, twats speeding. (Not having a go at you for using the road)

Avatar
CygnusX1 [1208 posts] 2 years ago
1 like

@Leviathan

Wonder if your driver with cycling infrastructure Tourette's was a visiting Labour party member from West Ham?

http://road.cc/content/news/216828-west-ham-labour-party-calls-cyclists-...

 

 

Avatar
Rapha Nadal [1168 posts] 2 years ago
4 likes

I had a similar incident but this involved a member of our local constabulary, believe it or not.  He drove beside me and demanded I used the cycle path and, when I refused, proceeded to block my path and then got out to lecture me.

He looked a bit sheepish when I told him how the Highway Code works and that I don't need to use the cycle path even if there is one.  He had no idea about the speed limit of a cycle path either which I was exceeding whilst on the road!

As you were, cuntstubble.

Avatar
LastBoyScout [648 posts] 2 years ago
0 likes
CygnusX1 wrote:

Had a similar occurence last summer cycling south on the A57 past Barton aerodrome, on a sunday morning.

Its a dual carriageway with 2 lanes in each direction and a shared use path on the northbound carriageway. Its a busy road during the week, full of HGVs and commuters, but on the sunday morning in question the traffic levels were similar to that shown in the Streetview link below:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4701571,-2.3838422,3a,75y,219.45h,73.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEjjq4mJf5gYhpCRdFt8Sew!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Now admittedly I wasn't doing 40kph like Leviathan, its a long slight uphill incline and I was out for a leisurely 2 hour ride so I was probably doing 20 - 25kph enjoying the quiet and listening to the bird song.

This tranquility was suddenly shattered when a car doing at least 50mph passed within a foot of me with horn blaring, scaring the bejeezus out of me, then haring off into the distance.

Okay, I'm still alive, don't let the cockwomble ruin what had been until then a pleasurable ride, let the heart rate normalise...

Hang about -- what's this at the next layby / access point?  It's only the same wankpuffin jumping out of his car and shouting at me that I shouldn't be on the road and that I should be on the cycle lane.

In this occasion, I decided that attempting to disabuse the gentleman of his misconceptions and educate him on the rules of the road was probably not the wisest move, and so chose instead to continue cycling safely in the inside lane of the left hand carriageway...

Verbatim what happened to me one sunny Sunday afternoon a couple of summers ago when I was cycling (at reasonable pace) round a bit of A4142 Oxford ring road to link up 2 other roads. I also declined to stop at the layby, for the same reasons, but, as far as I can tell from the shouting and pointing, I should have been using a cycle lane that I didn't know about (not being a local) and couldn't see behind the hedge beyond the other side of the dual carriage way.

Having passed him, I then got a second dose of close pass medicine in his attempt to make his point.

I've never wished so much that I had a GoPro and better memory of number plates.