Deda Wheels

Zondas are the upgrade wheel of choice in my cycle group - Loads of us are fatties 90kilos+. None of them have ever buckled.

Well let us know what you think of those, anyway!

1450g Italiany weight will be closer to 1600g. Deda are one of the worst for this but they do make reasonable quality stuff.
Can't really comment on the hubs but they do look like all the weight is in the rim ,so you would have to take your weight into consideration. For a few extra shillings you're into handbuilt territory, something I can heartily recommend.

18/ 20 spoke counts on alloy wheels? With radial F and NDS and 1x DS spoke pattern?? I hope you're not heavy.

Having such low spoke counts is an easy way of losing weight as well as getting the wheels more aerodynamic (less spokes = less of the egg beater effect). For not much more you could get Rolfs that are even lighter.

For both the Dedas and the Rolfs, though, the problem is durability. Hit and kink the rim on, say, a gutter or pothole, and with so few spokes it becomes really hard to realign the rim back into shape. It's worse with the Rolfs but with 18 on the front it will be hard to get the wheel repaired in the event of an accident.

I know the spoke and hub manufacturer, and I think the rims are KinLins; all are reputable so the build quality will be OK. Are they inverted spokes with the nipples on the inside? If so then replacing them will be difficult and expensive, plus you'll need someone who knows their stuff. Try to make sure you get spare spokes with the wheels as inverted spokes are very rare.

30 mm rims don't qualify as aero rims. They will help to stiffen up the wheel to compensate for the lack of spokes but you're not going to see much aero advantage from them.

Overall, I'd rate these as good value-ish race wheels if you're a junior or an aspiring lightweight Cat 4 racer, but I wouldn't use them for training (durability) or if I were a sprinter (stiffness).

Yes please! Definitely interested to hear more about them.

What don't you like about them?

That's a lot for training wheels. Did you consider the Shimano Ultegra wheels?

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-ultegra-6800-wheelset/

not aero but do you need that for training?

Chicken cycles have them at £559.

What kind of price?

A new local LBS can source these and I also thought they looked interesting, but I've drawn a blank on finding out much about them.

This was what led me in the direction of the Wheelsmith Aero 38 clinchers mentioned in the Aithein thread - they are an extra £180 sterling, but are handbuilt and come with a lot of positive experiences. Additionally, (and I don't know how much difference this would make, it might be marketing BS) the Deda are a v-section rim shape, so potentially susceptible to crosswinds, whereas the Wheelsmiths are a bulbous U-shape described as being similar to the Enve 3.4 smart wheel system, so potentially less susceptible to crosswinds. Admittedly they are also 8mm deeper, which may cancel out any benefit in this area.

Here is a review of the CCL's but I know nothing of the AL's