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posted by Martin Thomas [620 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 16:02

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TRs Blurb n Blog wrote:
Grifter = bmx shaped object

That slipping 2nd gear was possibly the most dangerous thing I had ever experienced on a bicycle. Crying

Probably the same second gear that slipped on the Chopper… Grifter didn't have a gear knob though did it

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posted by Tony Farrelly [4201 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 16:59

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Grifter had a 3 speed grip shift, with colours that indicated which gear you were in. I think blue was second gear.

It's not just about the size of your cog.

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posted by TRs Blurb n Blog [270 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 17:34

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Chopper had a 3 speed Sturmey Archer

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posted by Tony Farrelly [4201 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 17:53

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Having seen two brakeless riders go into the side of a car when I was able to stop tells me a front brake is handy when going downhill.

Having been rear ended by a brakeless rider who wasn't paying attention, I won't listen to the "its safer because you have to pay attention" argument.

posted by euanlindsay [80 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 18:35

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I want to put wobblers and weavers on the list, too.

WHY are there so many of them right now? They carry on riding like that there won't be for too long.

You know the ones I mean, they're slow but insist on carrying on regardless, weaving in and out because they think that's what you have to do on a bike but don't ever look for cars or other cyclists.

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posted by londondailyphoto [76 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 18:38

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tony_farrelly wrote:
...not to mention all those wannabes riding around brakeless AND running a freewheel.

Yes, I couldn't believe it the other day when I saw someone riding a "fashion fixie" (shop fresh, very narrow riser bars, white, deep section aero rims) through Cambridge with no brakes and a freewheel! Thinking about it, I should have ridden alongside and, with a hand on the small of his back, accelerated him to a decent speed.

two wheels good; four wheels bad

posted by cat1commuter [1424 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 19:04

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Jon Burrage wrote:
Barry, spot on....I cycle to the law...no red light jumping, no pavement riding..I even wear a helmet all the time but drivers see a few doing what you described and we are all tarred with that brush...its like banging your head against a brick wall (without a helmet)

So true. + those morons who insist on riding through pedestrian crossings when the light is red. Happened to me the other day while crossing. WTF? Yes, there truly appear to be the same % of inconsiderate cyclists on the road as there are inconsiderate motorists. Of course you are more likely to be killed/injured by the idiot motorist, but that's no excuse.

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posted by TiNuts [97 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 22:16

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@cat1 .... oh you are evil Big Grin

still on the 3rd switch-back of Bwlch !

posted by therevokid [914 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 22:17

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Geez I didn't realise I was so chilled but none of these things *greatly* bother me. Unless someones endangering innocent people, such as riding stupidly on the pavement I'm no more bothered than if I see a driver without a seatbelt on.

I think we all just need a holiday... not together though... definitely not together... Plain Face

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posted by TheHatter [811 posts]
2nd February 2010 - 22:18

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Love it thehatter! why do we get so wound up by other people? unless they are risking injury to others let it be. if they want to ride freewheel without brakes im sure it wont take long to figure out its downside!
i ride with no mudguards, no helmet, ipod sometimes, sometimes on pavements and through red lights when the green mans flashing ... always checking around though to see if its safe to do so (ie no pedestrians crossing). Its not about specific laws and regulations but awareness of whats around you and how your riding affects others. Thinking

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posted by Ruthe [50 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 0:26

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Definately NO LIGHTs - for all our berating of drivers, there is a section of unlit 60mph road near me, its bad enough cycling it with lights but I've also driven down this road and come across cyclists in the dark! if they get knocked off thats unfortunate but they would also be causing a great deal of stress to a poor driver who genuinely didn't see them! anf now that individual has to live with the consequences of hitting someone their entire life, the guilt, the flashbacks etc....now thats not fair. Get some lights!

Rode the E'Tape Caledonia - first sportiv ever and thoroughly enjoyed it

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posted by badbunny [71 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 9:42

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i'm with TheHatter (not romantically). people on here really need to chill out. if i see someone riding on an empty pavement it doesn't bother me. if the pavement is busier and they're slowing right down and being considerate then that's fair enough too. if someone jumps a red light when there are no cars in sight then why should i care? if someone wants to kill themselves with no brakes then what is it to me?

i care when i see someone endangering others [i.e. me, usually]. for instance, i live and cycle in Japan, and it's pretty common practise over here for cyclists to cycle THE WRONG WAY down the road, so you can be trundling along hugging the left-hand curb, minding your own business, when all of a sudden there's a cyclist coming down the road towards you. the actual ROAD, not the pavement! it is mental!

mind you, with the aggressive attitude of road users in The UK (and i include cyclists in that, going by this thread at least) i'm happier and safer here in Japan.

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posted by caketaster [17 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 9:59

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TRs - I have a BMX now - handmade GT aluminium frame with a 21" top tube (one of the last they made in the US), 43:16 ratio, Gusset cranks and FMF bars. It has a (v) brake. It's a race bike and is best on the track but I take it to the skatepark too and as it has a decent brake, yes I ride it on the road for short distances.

Regarding red light running, when I take my kids to school there are always some people running the red lights as all the kids are crossing. I've seen kids have to jump out the way when some idiot shoots past. One thing I've noticed from commuting in London is that many and perhaps most of the red light runners are amongst the fattest/slowest riders, I suppose they reckon it's the only way they get anywhere.

OldRidgeback

posted by OldRidgeback [2515 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 11:11

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caketaster wrote:
i'm with TheHatter (not romantically). people on here really need to chill out. if i see someone riding on an empty pavement it doesn't bother me. if the pavement is busier and they're slowing right down and being considerate then that's fair enough too. if someone jumps a red light when there are no cars in sight then why should i care? if someone wants to kill themselves with no brakes then what is it to me?

true up to a point, but the logical extension of that argument is that you don't have to obey the laws of the road if you deem it safe, when in fact those laws are there to prevent exactly that - they establish a framework of safety independent of individual assessment of risk, so that everyone stays safe. that's the idea, anyway. Sadly it doesn't always work, but it really is better than nothing.

if it's okay to run a red on a bike if there's no cars in sight, is it also okay in a car? in a luton? in an artic? if there are no pedestrians around, is it okay for me to drive my car on the pavement? clearly not. but where do you draw the line? I'd say the best place to draw it is where it already exists.

my main issue with this 'i'm not hurting anyone' line of thinking is not that it causes carnage – it doesn't, despite what your average local rag anti pavement cycling campaigner might have to say on the matter – but that it causes animosity. One rule for 'us', one for 'them'. Where there's a reason for the rules to be different, then they should be different, and we should campaign for change if they're not. but ignoring the rules just annoys people. and drivers are stressed already, remember, because driving in town sucks.

look at the anti-cycling comments on any cycling related story in the mainstream press and they're always the same: no lights. running red lights. riding on the pavement. the less this stuff happens, the less the moaners have to moan about. we can always hit back with the 'your car is more dangerous and you're eating a wispa and talking on your mobile while doing 70mph through a village' argument, but to be honest it's still two wrongs, even though one is much more wrong than the other.

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7783 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 12:17

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Dave - couldn't agree more. The red light runners and pavement riders need to get real. The more the small proportion of riders do it, the more the Daily Mail readers will moan and the more people will feel they have the right to give cyclists a hard time, including running them off the road. That is the way people's minds work.

OldRidgeback

posted by OldRidgeback [2515 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 13:32

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Very well put Dave, we do need a framework of rules if not just so that you know what to expect in a given situation.

Jumping red lights etc only works if you are the only one doing it and know that everyone else waiting at the junction on red isn't going to come out and randomly run you over, so thus you rely on everyone else abiding by the law to allow you to safely break it...

As far as wearing a helmet goes though, I draw the line there...

Complicating matters since 1965

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posted by DaSy [681 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 14:21

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We're such a varied species, if we all did exactly the same thing, it'd be so dull. That's why I love you brothers lmao

Seriously though, wave to me man, we're fighting a revolution here B)

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posted by AndyyK [40 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 15:35

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I'm waving AndyyK!

Wonder if Dave could knock me up an animated sig…

Take your point caketaster (what are the cakes like in Japan btw?) but reading back through most of the posts here it is where people do stuff that endangers other people, or them that seems to get most people's goat, although I have to admit there is a bit of fixie venting which wasn't the intention of the 'brakeless' bit.

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posted by Tony Farrelly [4201 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 16:40

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I take the point about rules needing to be obeyed but then ultimately bikes are very safe for both the rider .

They're responsible for no more deaths than carpet slippers (probably) but we don't get so heated about them.

My earlier point (if I had one*) is not that we should celebrate rule breaking but more that there are far more important and indeed depressing things to get heated about than riding a brakeless, lightless bike on an empty pavement.

*On reflection I don't think I had a point I just fancied poking the already agitated bears that had posted before me. Wink

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posted by TheHatter [811 posts]
3rd February 2010 - 21:38

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What's wrong with a bit of venting against fixie fashion victims? Maybe we're not all alike, but they do seem to bear a distinct resemblance to each other.

Them and us, that's the problem.

Smile

OldRidgeback

posted by OldRidgeback [2515 posts]
4th February 2010 - 10:00

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Dave is spot on - although it does piss me off every morning when I cycle past someone or they cycle past me and I shout morning and give a big smile and all I get in return is a glare.

F*** you is what I say!

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posted by jobysp [145 posts]
4th February 2010 - 10:41

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hello, I'm waving.

It's not just about the size of your cog.

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posted by TRs Blurb n Blog [270 posts]
5th February 2010 - 9:52

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the logical extension of that argument is that you don't have to obey the laws of the road if you deem it safe, when in fact those laws are there to prevent exactly that - they establish a framework of safety independent of individual assessment of risk, so that everyone stays safe. that's the idea, anyway. Sadly it doesn't always work, but it really is better than nothing.

if it's okay to run a red on a bike if there's no cars in sight, is it also okay in a car? in a luton? in an artic? if there are no pedestrians around, is it okay for me to drive my car on the pavement? clearly not. but where do you draw the line? I'd say the best place to draw it is where it already exists.

my main issue with this 'i'm not hurting anyone' line of thinking is not that it causes carnage – it doesn't, despite what your average local rag anti pavement cycling campaigner might have to say on the matter – but that it causes animosity. One rule for 'us', one for 'them'. Where there's a reason for the rules to be different, then they should be different, and we should campaign for change if they're not. but ignoring the rules just annoys people. and drivers are stressed already, remember, because driving in town sucks.

look at the anti-cycling comments on any cycling related story in the mainstream press and they're always the same: no lights. running red lights. riding on the pavement. the less this stuff happens, the less the moaners have to moan about. we can always hit back with the 'your car is more dangerous and you're eating a wispa and talking on your mobile while doing 70mph through a village' argument, but to be honest it's still two wrongs, even though one is much more wrong than the other.

point taken, but have a look at some of the comments on this thread: you lot sound more like Daily Mail readers than Daily Mail readers do. do you get angry at pedestrians for crossing the road when there's no traffic, even if it isn't at a zebra crossing? well maybe you should, by your reasoning.

in Japan it's accepted that cyclists reside in a gray area: everyone rides on the pavement (and as i said before in the wrong direction on the road >:( idiots), hardly anyone wears helmets, people forget their lights all the time, and i've very rarely seen any accidents (once 2 bikes crashing into each other), and never any road rage. let's face it, we aren't motorists, we aren't pedestrians, we straddle the boundaries - in danger from cars, a [slight] danger to pedestrians.

British people just like to moan and bitch. far too much aggression. you lot should emigrate over here, the cycling is great, but leave your attitude and aggression at immigration.

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posted by caketaster [17 posts]
5th February 2010 - 16:17

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Jeez, I think I've just seen it all today-a teenager on a bike on a main road wobbling about so cars couldn't get by because he had one hand on the handlebars and a mobile phone in the other doing a text message!! Angry
No wonder motorists hate us!

Brucethebike

posted by Bruce Kettle [4 posts]
6th February 2010 - 18:48

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caketaster - I don't speak Japanese, only English, French and German.

OldRidgeback

posted by OldRidgeback [2515 posts]
8th February 2010 - 10:05

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do you get angry at pedestrians for crossing the road when there's no traffic, even if it isn't at a zebra crossing? well maybe you should, by your reasoning.

my reasoning is that since we have rules, and we're bound by them, the best way to foster the peace and harmony we all want is to obey them.

you say that "in Japan it's accepted that cyclists reside in a gray area" - well that simply isn't the case here, nor do i think it would be particularly constructive if it was.

like DaSy says: to break the rules safely relies on everyone else abiding by them. what makes me so special?

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7783 posts]
8th February 2010 - 11:14

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I only get annoyed when stupid cyclists ride 3 up on the Bristol-Bath cycle track and decide to crash into me!

Devil

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posted by Zaskar [137 posts]
16th February 2010 - 23:44

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for those people living in crowded pedestrian area's then cyclists should be considerate to pedestrians but where i live the pavements are usualy empty but the roads are so deadly that my wife has nearly bin run down three times on a zebra crossing despite a red light showing to the vehicals which fail to stop. i have children that ride bikes and i would not expect them to take the same risks on busy roads so i feel that there needs to be an alternative like dividing pavements that are wide enough between pedestrians and cyclists and allowing for the fact that we now live in a more crowded world. i do think that a law for undue care and attention should apply to bikes but feel that real laws are things (like thou shall not kill)there are far bigger threats on the estate where i live than the very rare killer pavement cyclist. one pedestrian wrote that he would deliberately push cyclists off there bikes into the road if they rode past on the pavement. personaly i think this is an unreasonable act of aggression that risks far more lives than cycling on the pavement. it seems impossible to enforce half the laws we have without putting pavement cycling right up there with drug dealing, wife beating, rape etc. we must all be sensible and use a degree of common sense but except responsibility if we endanger others lives intentionaly. as far as i can tell the few fatal pavement accidents were by deliberately reckless cyclists. i would like to see basic cycling skills being taught in schools as part of the cariculum. sorry about the spelling because i'm dyslexic. i'm not shore how much difference bike reflectors make if you already have lights but feel that all light lenses should by law incorporate a reflector in the lense to meet these requirements!

posted by squaddy [4 posts]
18th February 2011 - 21:23

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i do feel that people riding without brakes at all is madness and that if you have the nuts to do this then you should also consider down hill riding at the red bull rampage cos you'll probably live longer and it should still give you the rush that you so desperately need. there is a time and a place people !

posted by squaddy [4 posts]
18th February 2011 - 21:30

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