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Horror cycling road toll continues, sixth cyclist killed on London's roads in less then two weeks...

A man believed to be in his 60s has died after being hit by a lorry early this afternoon in London.

Police were called to the junction of Camberwell Road, and Albany Road, SE5, by London Ambulance Service at 12:07 today.

Officers attended and found the male cyclist suffering serious injuries. He was pronounced dead at the scene at 12.37hrs. Next of kin have not yet been informed.

The male driver of the lorry stopped at the scene and has not been arrested at this time.

Detectives from the Road Death Investigation Unit have been informed. Enquiries continue.

Victim of last Wednesday's fatal crash identified

This is the sixth cycling fatality on London’s roads in less than two weeks and brings the death toll in London for the year to 14, the same as the total for 2012.

In the last fatal incident, late last Wednesday, a male cyclist was hit by a double decker bus in Whitechapel.

That rider has now been identified as a 21-year-old from NW6, but the Metropolitan Police have not yet released his name.

Next of kin have been informed and formal identification has taken place, but police say that they will not be naming the victim ahead of the opening of the inquest at Poplar Coroner's Court.

Our official grumpy Northerner, John has been riding bikes for over 30 years since discovering as an uncoordinated teen that a sport could be fun if it didn't require you to catch a ball or get in the way of a hulking prop forward.

Road touring was followed by mountain biking and a career racing in the mud that was as brief as it was unsuccessful.

Somewhere along the line came the discovery that he could string a few words together, followed by the even more remarkable discovery that people were mug enough to pay for this rather than expecting him to do an honest day's work. He's pretty certain he's worked for even more bike publications than Mat Brett.

The inevitable 30-something MAMIL transition saw him shift to skinny tyres and these days he lives in Cambridge where the lack of hills is more than made up for by the headwinds.

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cavasta [216 posts] 2 years ago
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WTF is going on in London?

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bedethe builder [7 posts] 2 years ago
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Tell me this isn't happening. How can lives be sacrificed in this way on our roads and so little done to protect vulnerable road users? Deepest sympathy to family and friends of those who have lost their lives in this needless way.

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Tripod16 [159 posts] 2 years ago
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Can't wait to listen to (D)nick Ferrari on LBC (London Bashing Cyclists) stating in his infinite wisdom another cyclist at fault! Ignoramus.

Condolences to the family and friends.

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jollygoodvelo [1477 posts] 2 years ago
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Another sad day.

I don't actually care whether the cyclist of the vehicle is at fault. Some accidents will be one way, some the other. All of them are unacceptable.

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Camberwellcarrot [4 posts] 2 years ago
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This is a horrible junction. It looks quite innocuous but it's actually very dangerous. I've made the turning into Albany Road from Camberwell Road (and vice versa) many times. Both ways it's a sharp turn between two roads that are really too narrow for the heavy duty vehicles that use them and it's easy to see how a cyclist could not be seen here. Further up where Camberwell Road becomes Walworth Road, the road was actually narrowed even further to speed up traffic flow. It has had the opposite effect (from my research taking the bus up there when the bike's out) and now squeezes everyone together. I avoid it on the bike and using side streets instead but many take the risk of riding up these roads so the road scheme really needs to be looked at again to assess cyclists' and pedestrians' safety.

So sad that yet another cyclist has lost their life here. My deep sympathies are with the cyclist's family and friends.

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zanf [859 posts] 2 years ago
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bedethe builder wrote:

How can lives be sacrificed in this way on our roads and so little done to protect vulnerable road users?

Because Londoners voted for a mayor that thinks as long as you keep your wits about you, youll be ok, that cyclists bring their own deaths upon themselves and that the super rich are a put upon minority

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northstar [1108 posts] 2 years ago
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zanf wrote:
bedethe builder wrote:

How can lives be sacrificed in this way on our roads and so little done to protect vulnerable road users?

Because Londoners voted for a mayor that thinks as long as you keep your wits about you, youll be ok, that cyclists bring their own deaths upon themselves and that the super rich are a put upon minority

Because "some" Londoners

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merckxissimo [57 posts] 2 years ago
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northstar wrote:
zanf wrote:
bedethe builder wrote:

How can lives be sacrificed in this way on our roads and so little done to protect vulnerable road users?

Because Londoners voted for a mayor that thinks as long as you keep your wits about you, youll be ok, that cyclists bring their own deaths upon themselves and that the super rich are a put upon minority

Because "some" Londoners

More than voted against him. Being as that's how an election works and all.

On a more serious note, more terrible news. It doesn't seem to be hitting home to those who make policy that every one of these statistics is a son or daughter to someone.

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zanf [859 posts] 2 years ago
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merckxissimo wrote:
northstar wrote:
zanf wrote:
bedethe builder wrote:

How can lives be sacrificed in this way on our roads and so little done to protect vulnerable road users?

Because Londoners voted for a mayor that thinks as long as you keep your wits about you, youll be ok, that cyclists bring their own deaths upon themselves and that the super rich are a put upon minority

Because "some" Londoners

More than voted against him. Being as that's how an election works and all.

On a more serious note, more terrible news. It doesn't seem to be hitting home to those who make policy that every one of these statistics is a son or daughter to someone.

Actually, if you look at the votes, more did not vote for him than did. Firstly, there was only a 38% turnout, so 62% didnt vote for him.

There were 2,208,475 votes counted (40,210 rejected on 1st preference, 445,466 rejected on 2nd preference, for various reasons such as 'unmarked', 'uncertain' or voting too many').

Out of 1st preference votes, 1,236,544 didnt vote for him.

So thats how elections work....

[Source]

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hanuman [13 posts] 2 years ago
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FWIW I didn't vote for him and I won't vote for him in the next election. The only Mayoral candidate to really take cycling seriously in the capital has been Jenny Jones so that's where I'll be putting my cross if she stands again.

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AyBee [85 posts] 2 years ago
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Tripod16 wrote:

Can't wait to listen to (D)nick Ferrari on LBC (London Bashing Cyclists) stating in his infinite wisdom another cyclist at fault! Ignoramus.

Condolences to the family and friends.

As a cyclist myself: you have absolutely no idea who was at fault for any of the recent bike accidents, it's perfectly possible that all 6 were the cyclist's fault.

Gizmo_ wrote:

Another sad day.

I don't actually care whether the cyclist of the vehicle is at fault. Some accidents will be one way, some the other. All of them are unacceptable.

Agreed! RIP!

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j1mmy76 [67 posts] 2 years ago
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And Christian Walmar.

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John Stevenson [251 posts] 2 years ago
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AyBee wrote:

As a cyclist myself: you have absolutely no idea who was at fault for any of the recent bike accidents, it's perfectly possible that all 6 were the cyclist's fault.

It's highly unlikely though, given that the data shows that in the majority of collisions between cyclists and motor vehicles, fault lies with the driver.

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ragtag [218 posts] 2 years ago
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Another one just hit in Camden. https://twitter.com/search?q=camden%20cyclist&src=typd no news on his/her condition

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Guyz2010 [304 posts] 2 years ago
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Oh man, shitty as. Two a week dying.
Have any of the recent cases of cyclist dying gone for prosecution of anyone?
I suspect they won't. Knocking an adult cyclist off and killing them is acceptable it seems, bet that would change if it were a kid.

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zanf [859 posts] 2 years ago
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ragtag wrote:

Another one just hit in Camden. https://twitter.com/search?q=camden%20cyclist&src=typd no news on his/her condition

Just seen that they were taken to hospital with non-life threatening head injuries.

https://twitter.com/markbikeslondon/status/402483492568567809

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Gemianini [3 posts] 2 years ago
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It's shocking and sad, but there must be some data to help figure what can/should be done. For these (and indeed any injury or death) is there information on;
- was the cyclist not following the Highway Code?
- was the vehicle driver not following the Highway Code?
- what time of day was the incident?
- did the cyclist have full front and rear lights and rear reflector?
- was the cyclist dressed to be seen?
- was the driver on the 'phone (or some other version of not paying attention)?
- are there particular characteristics of the road or the junction where it happened?
- was the driver breaking the speed limit?
- was the cyclist using a pedestrian crossing or feature etc. to ride on?

There will be more I'm sure, but data behind all of these terrible incidents must drive the debate, otherwise it becomes a mindless 'lycra lout' vs 'idiot driver' shouting match.

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nuclear coffee [213 posts] 2 years ago
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John Stevenson wrote:
AyBee wrote:

As a cyclist myself: you have absolutely no idea who was at fault for any of the recent bike accidents, it's perfectly possible that all 6 were the cyclist's fault.

It's highly unlikely though, given that the data shows that in the majority of collisions between cyclists and motor vehicles, fault lies with the driver.

I'd sort of agree with AyBee. I would like to able to have a reasonable expectation of a collision-free journery - by bike or by car - provided I ride/drive in such a way as to make it reasonably easy for others to avoid colliding with me. I accept that if I give up my end of the bargain I cannot always expect others to uphold theirs, and that the consequences are at least partly if not wholly on my head, regardless of who the more injured party is.

I could ask the govt to make it reasonably safe for me even if I did fail to ride/drive in an appropriate manner - but it would be churlish of me to expect my freedoms - e.g. the freedom to not wear a helmet or hi-vis - to be preserved when others' freedoms undoubtedly are not.

I prefer the freedom to be treated like a responsible adult, hence I accept that I do not have an unconditional right to be protected iff* I fail to meet that standard. I expect you are right that at least one, and possibly all, of these people did nothing wrong, but it would be irresponsible to speculate as to who.

It is sad that another person has died. That does not mean we can draw sensible conclusions yet as to who should have done better. If we apply pressure on the authorities, it is only because they share some responsibility as a sort of default - they are the only people always capable of changing things, so always being asked to change things is the rightful price of power.

(*if and only if)

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FluffyKittenofT... [1239 posts] 2 years ago
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merckxissimo wrote:

More than voted against him. Being as that's how an election works and all.

Humph!

Mostly outer-Londoners! Who just see inner London as a place to drive through as quickly as possible!

Bring back the LCC!

Oh - though maybe shouldn't go so off-topic on a thread like this, sorry!

Another tragedy. The toll is starting to look very grim indeed. Surely its not going to go on like this for the rest of the year?

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willdeath [33 posts] 2 years ago
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As cyclists we need to realize we are invisible.. Think this way and you will "help" protect yourself. (I don't mean act a victim waiting to happen.) Use bright flashing lights day and night. Make sure we signal clearly - follow the highway code - no red light jumping. No erratic fast maneuvers. Stay away from large vehicles and look for trouble to avoid etc etc.. We are always going to be the more fragile of all the road users. I am not saying that any of the deaths were because some of the recent fatalities were careless etc. I am not saying it was cyclists, drivers or even a third party fault.. (we don't have reports and witness statements. A pedestrian on foot could easily cause a cyclist to swerve into a motor vehicle..)

Yes we need the authorities to assist in making things safer. Yes drivers of all motor vehicles need education and awareness. Yes cyclists need the same too. BUT let's no lose sight that more bikes on the roads will obviously lead to a higher number of fatalities and accidents. Damp roads won't help either.

We all need to be smart and acknowledge motorized vehicles will fair better than those in lesser protected forms of transport when the two come together.

I have ridden past 2 motorcycle accidents caused by cars in the last few weeks on damp roads. (One this morning at 7.30 in Regents Park - where our cycle club member with medical knowledge waited for the ambulance while we warned traffic to stop with our bike lights.) It's not all one sided.. we as road users need to work together but also realize we as cyclists are always going to be the most vulnerable in an accident. I will still ride in London.. I will still have two flashing lights both front and rear while I will still be told by other cyclists "it's light why have you got your lights on?" These same people tend not to have helmets on and have music playing through headphones... I don't think "it will never happen to me" but I will try my best to avoid that day and others using the road avoid "that day."

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eurotrash [88 posts] 2 years ago
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I thought some London politician just recently said London was on its way to becoming a car-free city? More like a cycle-free city, once we're all dead...

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dtb200 [7 posts] 2 years ago
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Has poor atmospheric light been an issue in any of these do we know? If these were 6 drug deaths in 2 weeks due to a dodgy batch of heroin, or 6 murders, there would be an immediate critical incident management team set up to investigate, warn and take whatever steps are possible to prevent further deaths.

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Metjas [362 posts] 2 years ago
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dtb200 wrote:

Has poor atmospheric light been an issue in any of these do we know?

honestly, really, honestly are you serious?

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onlyonediane [157 posts] 2 years ago
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I have to agree with Tripod16 and the rhetoric of Ferrari on LBC. The number of callers with an anti-cyclist rant is in part due to the actions of riders who in their view disobey the Highway Code. Then they get one caller who admitted jumping red lights in order to go faster.

Condalences to the family and friends of the victim.

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embattle [27 posts] 2 years ago
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RIP and hope the Lorry driver is ok as well. Sadly if you look at the pictures from the article on the dailymail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2509314/Sixth-cyclist-just-weeks... I think most of us can tell what probably happened.

I've been a long term cyclist and I still see far too many cyclists taking risks when it comes to lorries, rightly or wrong it is never worth going up the side of a lorry no matter what the lorry seems to be doing.

I mean last week a lorry was at the traffic lights with a cycle lane on the left and he wasn't signalling to turn but I still waited behind just in case but that didn't stop three cyclists on racing bikes going round the right side of the lorry with the last one only just getting in front of the lorry since the lights had gone green and it had pulled away.

We certainly need various road changes but this has to go hand in hand with cyclists taking a greater responsibility since as we are the smallest and least protected we stand to lose the most in most accidents.

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dtb200 [7 posts] 2 years ago
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Well I'm serious but poorly written by myself! What I meant to say was...

1 is anyone doing a specific epidemiological analysis of these deaths to see if there is a common factor, other than a 'cyclist' and a 'HGV' involved in a tragic outcome? This would be done for other clusters of unexpected deaths.

2 personally I've felt less safe cycling in the past 2 weeks, partly I think due to the overcast, dull days, clocks going back, early nights, etc and I think it takes all road users time to adjust to autumnal conditions. I'm not saying this excuses any wrong doing / poor driving/riding, it's just an opinion.

And of course, I am so sorry that another life has been lost and would support decisive action toprevent further deaths.

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Neil Smith 48 [18 posts] 2 years ago
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dtb200 wrote:

Well I'm serious but poorly written by myself! What I meant to say was...

1 is anyone doing a specific epidemiological analysis of these deaths to see if there is a common factor, other than a 'cyclist' and a 'HGV' involved in a tragic outcome? This would be done for other clusters of unexpected deaths.

2 personally I've felt less safe cycling in the past 2 weeks, partly I think due to the overcast, dull days, clocks going back, early nights, etc and I think it takes all road users time to adjust to autumnal conditions. I'm not saying this excuses any wrong doing / poor driving/riding, it's just an opinion.

And of course, I am so sorry that another life has been lost and would support decisive action toprevent further deaths.

As a life-long motorcyclist & cyclist, I agree with most of this. November always sees a spike in the number of accidents (I think for all road users), but tragically more vulnerable users come off worst. And we don't yet know the facts of these awful deaths.

But most motorcyclists learned long ago that 'smidsy' should always be assumed and that, if you are a vulnerable road user, you don't put yourself into high-risk positions. Too often, I see cyclists putting themselves in crazy places. Like tonight on Birdcage Walk, people cycling in the dark, in dark clothes, with no lights... Do enough cyclists understand the risks? Would you like expensive compulsory training and a staged license..?

Ye Gods, take responsibility for your safety - you can't wait for the mayor to do it for you! It's no consolation to be in the right if you are dead or injured. Let's get our house in order AS WELL AS pressing for sensible, proportionate safety measures.

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themartincox [514 posts] 2 years ago
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Last 2 rides home I've nearly been taken out by drivers.

despite having reflective overshoes, ankles, backs of thighs, rucksack, 2 rear lights (1 solid and 1 flashing) and a pair of exposure front lights!

just beggars belief that such douche bags still have a license!

Hoping to not hear about any more deaths this year!

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bendertherobot [1146 posts] 2 years ago
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embattle wrote:

RIP and hope the Lorry driver is ok as well. Sadly if you look at the pictures from the article on the dailymail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2509314/Sixth-cyclist-just-weeks... I think most of us can tell what probably happened.

I've been a long term cyclist and I still see far too many cyclists taking risks when it comes to lorries, rightly or wrong it is never worth going up the side of a lorry no matter what the lorry seems to be doing.

I mean last week a lorry was at the traffic lights with a cycle lane on the left and he wasn't signalling to turn but I still waited behind just in case but that didn't stop three cyclists on racing bikes going round the right side of the lorry with the last one only just getting in front of the lorry since the lights had gone green and it had pulled away.

We certainly need various road changes but this has to go hand in hand with cyclists taking a greater responsibility since as we are the smallest and least protected we stand to lose the most in most accidents.

Help me out. What are we assuming from those pictures?

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ribena [179 posts] 2 years ago
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But most motorcyclists learned long ago that 'smidsy' should always be assumed and that, if you are a vulnerable road user, you don't put yourself into high-risk positions. Too often, I see cyclists putting themselves in crazy places. Like tonight on Birdcage Walk, people cycling in the dark, in dark clothes, with no lights... Do enough cyclists understand the risks? Would you like expensive compulsory training and a staged license..?

I'm not sure the training, like motorcyclists have, would necessarily help, since despite all the training and licensing and lights etc.. using a motorbike in London is twice as dangerous as cycling

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/corporate/safe-streets-for-london...

Motorcycles accounted for one per cent of daily journeys, but 21 per cent of KSI casualties in London in 2011

• Pedal cycles accounted for two per cent of daily journeys, but 20 per cent of KSI casualties in London in 2011

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