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A bus driver filmed by a helmet-cam-equipped cyclist apparently using a mobile phone has been sacked.

According to the Harlow Star, the Roadrunners Coaches vehicle was filmed in the Seymours area of Harlow on September 11. The bus was moving and had passengers on board at the time.

The company initially said its managers believed the driver was holding a ticket module and so would take no action against him.

However, according to a spokeswoman for Roadrunners a later review of the evidence led to a decision to sack the driver, who will not fight the decision.

“He told us that it was a module but he shouldn’t be [holding] that while driving anyway,” she said.

A spokesman for Essex Police said: “Enquiries are continuing and we have served a notice on the company to identify the driver.”

Our official grumpy Northerner, John has been riding bikes for over 30 years since discovering as an uncoordinated teen that a sport could be fun if it didn't require you to catch a ball or get in the way of a hulking prop forward.

Road touring was followed by mountain biking and a career racing in the mud that was as brief as it was unsuccessful.

Somewhere along the line came the discovery that he could string a few words together, followed by the even more remarkable discovery that people were mug enough to pay for this rather than expecting him to do an honest day's work. He's pretty certain he's worked for even more bike publications than Mat Brett.

The inevitable 30-something MAMIL transition saw him shift to skinny tyres and these days he lives in Cambridge where the lack of hills is more than made up for by the headwinds.

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nowasps [379 posts] 2 years ago
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So what would happen if cyclists started giving the coppers footage of ordinary motorists on their phones? If they took it seriously, half the drivers in the country would be getting points, fines, whatever.

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mad_scot_rider [581 posts] 2 years ago
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nowasps wrote:

So what would happen if cyclists started giving the coppers footage of ordinary motorists on their phones? If they took it seriously, half the drivers in the country would be getting points, fines, whatever.

Is this a bad thing?

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Matt eaton [733 posts] 2 years ago
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Feeling more and more like I should get a helmet cam.........

Then again I'd end up contacting the police every time I ride. At the moment I rarely bother as nothing comes of it.

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fatsimonstan [82 posts] 2 years ago
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mad_scot_rider wrote:
nowasps wrote:

So what would happen if cyclists started giving the coppers footage of ordinary motorists on their phones? If they took it seriously, half the drivers in the country would be getting points, fines, whatever.

Is this a bad thing?

Yes, I mean if all cyclists started doing this, what possible consequences could there be?  39

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racyrich [235 posts] 2 years ago
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YorkshireMike [91 posts] 2 years ago
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I keep suggesting that the police should have bobbies on bikes undercover - the amount of footage they'd get of people using phones, smoking weed, and generally totally disregarding the highway code would make them a fortune at very little expense.

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Matt eaton [733 posts] 2 years ago
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Nice link, shocking reading. The overiding impression is that the police simply don't care unless somebody actually gets smashed.

With this attitude its no surprise that we see cyclists taking action against drivers themselves (stoping them and having strong words etc.) rather than reporting to the police.

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Carl [135 posts] 2 years ago
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@YorkshireMike
Yes, that would be a good idea, but the flip side is they'd catch a lot of cyclists breezing through red lights and cycling the wrong way up one-way streets.

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Rational Dave [4 posts] 2 years ago
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Am I the only one who thinks it's a disgrace that this poor man has lost his job? And for what??? This Dave Sherry character must have too much time on his hands if he's got nothing better to do than go around snitching off people. Very tawdry business if you ask me.  2

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flobble [85 posts] 2 years ago
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Carl wrote:

@YorkshireMike ...but the flip side is they'd catch a lot of cyclists breezing through red lights and cycling the wrong way up one-way streets.

So what's wrong with that? Catching the cyclists' misdemeanours that is.

To my mind, anyone who breaks the rules themselves forfeits the right to complain about others doing it.

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Matt eaton [733 posts] 2 years ago
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True, a bit OTT that he lost his job; he should have just had his driving licence taken away, that would have been fairer.  4

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Municipal Waste [238 posts] 2 years ago
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I have a video on my phone of 2 police motorbikes driving straight past a coach which was parked in a zig zag line area next to a pedestrian crossing. I haven't bothered to send it anywhere because there's no point, but it confirms my suspicion that the Police generally can't be bothered.

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farrell [1950 posts] 2 years ago
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Rational Dave wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks it's a disgrace that this poor man has lost his job? And for what??? This Dave Sherry character must have too much time on his hands if he's got nothing better to do than go around snitching off people. Very tawdry business if you ask me.  2

To be honest, I preferred your earlier work, this now just seems like your heart isn't in this trolling business.

I'm going to give this a seemingly strict 2 out of 10 in the hope that it'll spur you on to give your next attempt at a wind up a bit more rice.

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jova54 [644 posts] 2 years ago
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Rational Dave wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks it's a disgrace that this poor man has lost his job? And for what??? This Dave Sherry character must have too much time on his hands if he's got nothing better to do than go around snitching off people. Very tawdry business if you ask me.  2

I think you're really "freespirit", because there can't be two such big f*ckwits in the south of England, and I claim my £10.00  4

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giff77 [1193 posts] 2 years ago
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Rational Dave wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks it's a disgrace that this poor man has lost his job? And for what??? This Dave Sherry character must have too much time on his hands if he's got nothing better to do than go around snitching off people. Very tawdry business if you ask me.  2

The driver is an alleged professionally trained driver. He is driving a vehicle with members of the public on it. He therefore has a duty of care to those individuals. I am fed up seeing bus drivers driving one handed (I was taught to keep both hands on the wheel) using mobiles (currently illegal) jumping red lights and their companies not reigning this behaviour in.

As sad as it is to see someone loose their job, we do not know if the driver was already being progressed along the disciplinary route and this was the final straw or if the company treats this behaviour as gross misconduct.

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hampstead_bandit [594 posts] 2 years ago
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@flobble

agreed

some of the most hypocritical people i have encountered on my daily commute in London are cyclists wearing high-viz jackets, flashing lights and all, but jump every red light and ride through pedestrian crossings on their short journey

(I am following at a distance yet easily catching up)

yet very quick to anger if any motorist dares to make any movement on the highway!

when I stopped next to a women cyclist who displayed this terrible attitude she told me to "f*ck off, mind your own business" then proceeded to scream abuse at a motorist who was legally entitled to indicate and pull into the kerbside to drop off a passenger...

...I hate to say this but I just felt damn embarrassed to be associated with her through riding on 2 wheels.

I'd be more than happy for any road user to film me on my bike, because I don't break the law at any time; I don't need to it, its not clever, you don't get there any quicker and it just leads to accidents.

I'd also be very happy for all Police officers to be equipped with cameras because as a previous poster mentioned, they'd raise a huge amount of fines in a very short period of time. Or just position police on prominent traffic junctions during the rush hour commute and see what comes their way

The blatant law breaking I see every day, on my 3 mile commute from motorists and cyclists cannot be just in my imagination!

Let alone what I observe on 60-100 mile road rides through Surrey and London

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viveLaPants [94 posts] 2 years ago
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Rational Dave wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks it's a disgrace that this poor man has lost his job? And for what??? This Dave Sherry character must have too much time on his hands if he's got nothing better to do than go around snitching off people. Very tawdry business if you ask me.  2

I agree dave - but as long as communter goes home happy and tells his wife what a great guy he is now the worlds a little safer thats all that matters I guess. If cars had cams on how cyclists bad behaviour could you see - probably a lot. Share the road.

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Carl [135 posts] 2 years ago
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Totally agree with you, Flobble. My irony clearly didn't come across in my post.

@Hampstead_bandit...I had a similar when I very politely pointed out to a cyclist he was going the wrong way up a one-way street..."f*ck off you w*nker" was the reply. What a great ambassador for cyclists everywhere.

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sue perb [2 posts] 2 years ago
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Share the road.Be safe (Dave sherry  22

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velocibob [11 posts] 2 years ago
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I'm a keen cyclist and don't drive a car. I see drivers using their mobiles whilst driving, everyday. I've even seen a lady driver texting whilst going around a roundabout with a dog sat on her lap with its paws on the steering wheel. However, I am also seeing lots of cyclists riding and steering with one hand, whilst texting or phoning someone. We could keep ourselves very busy reporting such incidences to the police, with the advent of these video cameras. Just a bit more difficult with the cyclists, as they have no number plate for identification. May have to rely on observable tattoos. Big brother here we come!

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Rational Dave [4 posts] 2 years ago
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Not sure I'm with you. I guess you're on of the people who think it's acceptable to ruin a mans life for the sake of a quick ego boost. How sad.

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Rational Dave [4 posts] 2 years ago
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Sorry you've completey lost me.. You sound a bit confused.

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John Stevenson [249 posts] 2 years ago
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Rational Dave wrote:

Sorry you've completey lost me.. You sound a bit confused.

You might want to use 'quote' instead of 'reply' so you don't sound bewildered yourself.

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mikem22 [21 posts] 2 years ago
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Spot on Flobble. It seems to me that the standard of cycling in our city centres is equally as bad as the driving and filming incidents would show both groups in an equally bad light.

While on a bike myself in the summer, I saw a cyclist go through a junction and broadside into a car (where the car had the right of way). Whilst the cyclist picked himself up his mates started screaming at the female driver, including shouts of "Might have known, it's a f***ing woman driver" Don't think I've ever felt so ashamed to be a cyclist.

And today on the radio I heard a feature about residents in Surrey who are starting to get fed up with the attitude of cyclists. The woman being interviewed was explaining how one elderly driver had been spat at. Whatever the in's and out's of the actual incident, news bites like that on national radio is hardly doing the cycling community any favours.

hampstead_bandit wrote:

@flobble

agreed

some of the most hypocritical people i have encountered on my daily commute in London are cyclists wearing high-viz jackets, flashing lights and all, but jump every red light and ride through pedestrian crossings on their short journey

(I am following at a distance yet easily catching up)

yet very quick to anger if any motorist dares to make any movement on the highway!

when I stopped next to a women cyclist who displayed this terrible attitude she told me to "f*ck off, mind your own business" then proceeded to scream abuse at a motorist who was legally entitled to indicate and pull into the kerbside to drop off a passenger...

...I hate to say this but I just felt damn embarrassed to be associated with her through riding on 2 wheels.

I'd be more than happy for any road user to film me on my bike, because I don't break the law at any time; I don't need to it, its not clever, you don't get there any quicker and it just leads to accidents.

I'd also be very happy for all Police officers to be equipped with cameras because as a previous poster mentioned, they'd raise a huge amount of fines in a very short period of time. Or just position police on prominent traffic junctions during the rush hour commute and see what comes their way

The blatant law breaking I see every day, on my 3 mile commute from motorists and cyclists cannot be just in my imagination!

Let alone what I observe on 60-100 mile road rides through Surrey and London

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eurotrash [88 posts] 2 years ago
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Yes it's pity someone lost their job, but it's also a pity they lost themselves the job by knowingly flouting the rules of the road and putting lives at risk.

As for cyclists doing the same, sure, I see tons of cyclists doing dumb and illegal stuff as well (even if generally the risk to others is much less than when the same is done in a motorised vehicle) and would be overjoyed if both sides received a lot more scrutiny/points/fines.

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hampstead_bandit [594 posts] 2 years ago
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@mikem22

I am regularly told to "f*ck off" by cyclists who have taken offence to my comment that they are riding the wrong way against oncoming traffic (normally a motor vehicle and me on my bike) whilst I am going down a one-way street

just this Saturday past in Covent Garden a women cycling a cargo bike gave me this attitude (called me a "f*cking wanker"); swerved around me and then was involved in a low-speed road traffic collision with a black cab driver who was driving with care and attention and very surprised to find the cargo bike wedged in his front bumper.

In the past year:

-I have been pushed against a wall on the pavement next to the canal in Camden by a cyclist trying to get past

-run over and knocked to the ground on a green pedestrian crossing light next to Camden tube station by a cyclist jumping the light. ended up with a bruised jaw and left arm, the cyclist fled dragging their bike

-had a women on a bike launch a foul mouthed barrage of abuse when she tried to force me off the pavement in Camden by Sainsbury's so she could get past on her bike, only for my shock to find her child also riding behind her

I can stand at the road junction in Kentish town road near my house during the morning commute and see dozens of cyclists jumping the red lights within 5 minutes

where the hell are the Police, because these are not isolated incidents?

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Leviathan [1788 posts] 2 years ago
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Apropos of nothing:
This afternoon I was on my way home, crossing a green light at Moss Lane West in Whalley Range. A guy came out of the left and turn left in front of me and headed off in the same direction. Now he didn't hit me, or even nearly hit me though I had to brake a little. 5m might seem like a lot of space but 1 second isn't a lot of time. So I got back up to speed and whilst I went past him said (well shouted really) 'The next time you cut a red light in front of me I'll just push you over.'

This is of course totally untrue. It is very unlikely that this will happen again. And if he did happen to t-bone me one day I would be very unlikely to just be able to palm him off like a rugby forward, I would probably end up under a taxi instead.

However I was annoyed because I am just trying to get home from work, he has cut me up by running a red light and totally doesn't care. He thought 'I'm turning left, it doesn't count.' But more then that, having shouted at him, I now felt asinine for blurting out something threatening and what I said was pointless and just wound me even more.

So this guy was oblivious to what he had done and why I was angry, He probably though 'What a dick, what is his problem.' As I didn't have time to stop for a confrontation or give him a seminar on road safety he probably hasn't go a clue what I was saying or why. The fact that he was just pulling his apple earphones out and riding some kind of granny bike meant he couldn't chase me despite being about 15 years younger than me. (Bonus pedant point: no helmet; perhaps no space what with his huge ginger afro.)

The futility of all this tells me you can only share the road by a philosophy of good Karma; do as you would expect to be done by. This is why I thing the police should be looking out for wrong doers; taking the law into your own hands isn't the answer. Most people don't need the stress of having to worry what other people are going to do, you just want to expect them not to do wrong. So maybe don't buy a camera it will only serve to prove just how crazy everyone else is.

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crazy-legs [704 posts] 2 years ago
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Sadly, I think that the roads are just becoming a free-for-all.

Hampstead-bandit above ^^ quotes various examples of law-breaking cyclists, I can counter that with plenty of examples of law-breaking motorists from my 15-mile commute home through Manchester this evening. If you actually look for things (rather than "just riding along") it's amazing what you see - literally dozens of drivers on the phone, red light/yellow box/ASL infringements, queue-jumping - it beggered belief.

And yes, of course cyclists react to it by doing the same - some say it's their way of keeping safe (eg "anticipating" the light change to get a head start), some just do it cos they're dickheads, some do it cos - well, everyone else is. And that's the problem. There is almost no enforcement on the roads so this behaviour goes unchallenged so people do it more and more.

We don't need a well publicised "crackdown" at a couple of key junctions. We need total enforcement of the law for ALL road users, massive fines for phone use, proper sentences for driving offences (none of this £100 and a 3-point fine for driving without insurance rubbish). I've said it before but it could solve the national debt if we actually enforced the existing laws!

As for the bus driver... Would you rather one man lost his job or 20 people were killed/injured as a result of his actions?

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GREGJONES [259 posts] 2 years ago
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To be fair, although i see plenty f drivers on their phones , when a driver recently crossed a solid white line, nearly hit me then got out of his car and started abusing me. I reported it and the Greater Manchester Police have dealt with it very promptly and said they'd charge him with breach of the peace legislation.

This is mainly because there is a fair bit of CCTV in Manchester city center. one day we'll all have google glass (or some other variant), and people will have to be a whole lot more careful.

The fact is if you're not responsible enough to obey pretty simple road rules (bikes or cars), then the option of walking is always there.

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mckechan [208 posts] 2 years ago
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YorkshireMike wrote:

I keep suggesting that the police should have bobbies on bikes undercover - the amount of footage they'd get of people using phones, smoking weed, and generally totally disregarding the highway code would make them a fortune at very little expense.

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