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Greater Manchester Police have revealed that hundreds of cyclists in Manchester have been issued £80 fines for “dangerous and irresponsible” cycling on the city’s Oxford Road and Wilmslow Road in recent months.

Since February, officers have issued 415 fixed penalty notices for a range of offences including riding through red traffic lights or on the pavement, using a mobile phone while riding, and riding without lights.

The fines have been issued on ten separate “days of action” between February and June as part of Operation Grimaldi, which police say focuses on “on ‘hot spot’ areas where pedal cyclists have been seen using the roads dangerously or irresponsibly.”

Cyclists issued with the fixed penalty notices were given the opportunity to avoid paying fines by attending cycling awareness courses.
Traffic PCSO Gareth Walker commented: “The aim of the operation was not to fine all offenders but to educate them, offer training and promote road safety.

“Many of the cyclists we spoke to were not aware of the danger they put themselves and others in by the actions they were taking while failing to stop or being distracted on their phones.

“The number of killed or seriously injured on the roads has fallen over the last two years but we need to continue to educate road users of how to share the roads safely in order to ensure these numbers continue to fall.”

One local cycle campaigner told the Manchester Evening News that while it was right to take action against cyclists flouting the rules, police should also target motorists who break the law.

Pete Abel of the Love Your Bike campaign told the newspaper: “We are in favour of taking action against people who cycle poorly and anti-socially, but we don’t see an equivalent crackdown on drivers.

“When cyclists runs a red light it is usually inconvenient, when a driver does it is downright dangerous.”

Transport for Greater Manchester plans to install segregated cycle lanes along parts of Oxford Road as part of its Bus Priority scheme. The proposals are open to public consultation until 5 July.

 

Born in Scotland, Simon moved to London aged seven and now lives in the Oxfordshire Cotswolds with his miniature schnauzer, Elodie. He fell in love with cycling one Saturday morning in 1994 while living in Italy when Milan-San Remo went past his front door. A daily cycle commuter in London back before riding to work started to boom, he's been news editor at road.cc since 2009. Handily for work, he speaks French and Italian. He doesn't get to ride his Colnago as often as he'd like, and freely admits he's much more adept at cooking than fettling with bikes.

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farrell [1950 posts] 3 years ago
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"Traffic PCSO"

Get to buggery, that's just some pisswhipper in fancy dress.

I can give GMP a list of about 10 junctions where cars regularly and consistently go through on red.

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Simon E [2855 posts] 3 years ago
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“We are in favour of taking action against people who cycle poorly and anti-socially, but we don’t see an equivalent crackdown on drivers.

Easy target, ignore the real problem.

RLJing etc should not be ignored but fining a cyclist £80 seems disproportionate when we read all too often that drivers that kill or injure people avoid a ban and pay a paltry fine.

The latest road stats are in the news today. The father of Sam Harding, who was killed on Holloway Road in London, was interviewed on BBC Breakfast this morning about how the legal system didn't work. The driver who caused his death was fined £80 and 3 points.

http://road.cc/content/news/72113-motorist-found-not-guilty-manslaughter...

Do the police conduct any 'rider education' at events like the Manchester sportive that bikeboy was due to ride?

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northstar [1108 posts] 3 years ago
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Easy money again it seems.

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sfichele [141 posts] 3 years ago
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Fines for RLJ I have no problem with. But fines for "weaving dangerously", have they been fining cyclists for legally filtering through traffic?

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SideBurn [890 posts] 3 years ago
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Is this some sort of joke?
"segregated cycle lanes along parts of Oxford Road as part of its Bus Priority scheme"
Does this mean you will get run over by a bus, taxi or a dick ignoring the signs instead of another type of vehicle?

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northstar [1108 posts] 3 years ago
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sfichele wrote:

Fines for RLJ I have no problem with. But fines for "weaving dangerously", have they been fining cyclists for legally filtering through traffic?

It wouldn't shock me, after all we all know their attitude seems to be motorists can do what they like and riders are easy targets when they need funds.

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Yemble [40 posts] 3 years ago
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“When cyclists runs a red light it is usually inconvenient, when a driver does it is downright dangerous.”

This kind of nonsense doesn't do cycling any favours.

It is usually inconvenient and always dangerous, regardless of vehicle. End of. Implying it's not dangerous when cyclists do it is ridiculous and out of touch.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 3 years ago
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And what is the cyclist saying to the officer?
Yes, my name Michael Mouse, 69, Disneyland Terrace, Fixieville, FU1 1TT

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northstar [1108 posts] 3 years ago
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Using a mobile phone whilst riding isn't even illegal, are they making up laws?

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Actium [38 posts] 3 years ago
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This really makes my piss boil. This stupid "cyclists don't even realise they're being dangerous" nonsense. Cars kill about 2000 every year, can't be bothered looking up the figure, no doubt someone will correct me. Cyclists kill between none and three per year and car drivers are foound to be wholly responsible in about 80% of fatalities and serious injuries. And yet plod are trying to tell us they WE are the dangerous ones!  14 Aaaarrrrrrgghhhhhhhh  14

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SideBurn [890 posts] 3 years ago
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Actium wrote:

This really makes my piss boil. This stupid "cyclists don't even realise they're being dangerous" nonsense. Cars kill about 2000 every year, can't be bothered looking up the figure, no doubt someone will correct me. Cyclists kill between none and three per year and car drivers are foound to be wholly responsible in about 80% of fatalities and serious injuries. And yet plod are trying to tell us they WE are the dangerous ones!  14 Aaaarrrrrrgghhhhhhhh  14

I bet the 'Police Commissioner' thought it was a great idea!

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Sherlock Ohms [15 posts] 3 years ago
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Good - hope they do the same in Bristol.

Too many cyclists seem to think the law doesn't apply to them and ride like inconsiderate idiots as they don't expect reprecussions. They irritate and endager other road users, who then tar anyone on a bike with the 'bloody cyclists' label, and think nothing of driving too close to us, cutting us up etc as 'all cyclists break the laws, so why should I care about them'

(they should also be nailing drivers who drive poorly, RLJ and encroach on Advanced Stop Boxes as well)

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therevokid [972 posts] 3 years ago
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it wouldn't take many officers in a couple of locations around many cities to crack down on the bloody car drivers too ... on the spot fines for those arrogant ejits as
well please ... oh that's right they're not such an easy target are they .... bastards ....

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Dog72 [106 posts] 3 years ago
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northstar wrote:

Using a mobile phone whilst riding isn't even illegal, are they making up laws?

But it is fucking stupid though.
Cyclists need to act responsibly.
Dumbfucks in cars & lorries cause more injuries & death than cyclists, fact.
Selfish cyclists pissing on basic road rules and etiquette "because they can" do nothing to help the progression of cycling as a mainstream mode of travel.

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Saratoga [39 posts] 3 years ago
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Yemble wrote:

It is usually inconvenient and always dangerous, regardless of vehicle. End of. Implying it's not dangerous when cyclists do it is ridiculous and out of touch.

Not true; if it were, there would be no countries in the world where it is legal to turn through a red light. To imply that every single instance is dangerous is ridiculous.

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AleT [53 posts] 3 years ago
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Seems so! And if they think you're commiting the offence of careless cycling or inconsiderate cycling, it would appear that their only recourse is to prosecute, not give out on the spot fines. http://ukcyclerules.com/2010/10/12/can-you-ride-while-using-your-mobile-...

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mrchrispy [480 posts] 3 years ago
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extra cool points for doing a track stand while that chat with you  1

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northstar [1108 posts] 3 years ago
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Dog72 wrote:
northstar wrote:

Using a mobile phone whilst riding isn't even illegal, are they making up laws?

But it is fucking stupid though.
Cyclists need to act responsibly.
Dumbfucks in cars & lorries cause more injuries & death than cyclists, fact.
Selfish cyclists pissing on basic road rules and etiquette "because they can" do nothing to help the progression of cycling as a mainstream mode of travel.

It's not illegal so why do they think they can issue fines for it?

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Dog72 [106 posts] 3 years ago
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I don't care about the fine aspect so much, although I think it probably should fall under riding without due care and attention (if thats a law, I don't know) I'm just sick of tossers jumping lights, using mobiles, riding like C*nts, weaving, pavement jumping etc and giving us a bad name.

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northstar [1108 posts] 3 years ago
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You're just ranting, still haven't answered the question.

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Dog72 [106 posts] 3 years ago
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I'm not ranting. I'm giving you my opinion, in which I think yes its Ok to fine people for using a mobile while riding, as I believe its riding without due care and attention, if the that's not a law then it should be. Unlike you I'm not an expert on cycling & British law, I do know how to ride a bike though and riding while chatting on a mobile makes anyone doing it a Twat.

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farrell [1950 posts] 3 years ago
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So you are happy for the Police to hand out fines to people on a whim?

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Some Fella [890 posts] 3 years ago
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And dont get me started on how many bike thefts we have in Manchester.......  45

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Ghedebrav [1100 posts] 3 years ago
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Interesting... I remember seeing a bunch of coppers flagging down a cyclist who had jumped a pelican crossing red outside the uni on Oxford Road a couple of months ago (I had stopped for it  4 ). There did seem to be a lot of them and I wondered if something like this was going on.

To be fair, I see cyclists jumping lights on this stretch all the time, and more jump them than stop I'm sorry to say. Only very very rarely is it genuinely safer to jump than not, and most who do it, if they're honest, do it because they can't be bothered waiting and know they'll get away with it.

As to the other offences, I should say:

a) sometimes it is genuinely safer to hop briefly onto the pavement (and more than any other issue pavement riding highlights the need for better cycle facilities), but you are putting pedestrians at risk - and they are the vulnerable party in this case.
b) riding without lights at night is plainly stupid; dangerous to the rider and to other road users. It's certainly fine-worthy.
c) as pointed out above, talking on the phone while cycling isn't actually illegal (nor, I believe, is drinking and cycling) so it's hard to see the premise for handing out fixed penalties. Victims of this should firstly challenge the fine, and secondly take a long, hard look at themselves
d) It's not clear that fines were handed out for 'weaving dangerously', but that's a very woolly definition and one person's weaving is another's basic survival technique

While I'm happy to see the RLJers being taken to task (though it's clearly had zero impact if my daily commute is anything to go by) I'm surprised that GMP see this as a priority. Perhaps they'll start handing out fines to the pedestrians who walk in cycle lanes next?

A crackdown on the insane Curry Mile driving would have been more welcome and a greater boon to public safety.

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Dog72 [106 posts] 3 years ago
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Yes I think we should have a Police state. Like Judge dread but more rightwing and violent.

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wobblerthe1st [5 posts] 3 years ago
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Riding and talking on a mobile could fall into riding without due care and attention (Sect 3 Road Traffic Act)but even if it doesn't surely riding one handed with the other against your ear isn't exactly sensible. There are plenty of cyclists who give most of us a bad name by riding on the pavement, RLJing etc. just because it saves a few seconds and they think they're entitled to do so.

As the article says most could avoid the fine by going on an awareness course, which yes would cost some money but is exactly the same concept as the speed/mobile/seatbelt awareness courses motorists are offered.

Drunk in charge of a pedal cycle is an offence btw

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Joselito [160 posts] 3 years ago
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Tweeted GMPlod earlier asking,
'Is there a similar operation for motorists?
Do you run 'Cyclist awareness' sessions for drivers?'
To be fair they did respond,
'the cyclist awareness sessions are more lenient than what a motorist would receive for say dangerous driving'.

Arf!

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farrell [1950 posts] 3 years ago
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They said that "Dangerous riding of cycles can cause fatalities for both riders and pedestrians".

I asked how many people had been killed by cyclists in the past year - No response.

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paulfg42 [393 posts] 3 years ago
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I'd say using your phone while cycling is even more stupid than jumping a red light.

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vbvb [620 posts] 3 years ago
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Sherlock Ohms wrote:

They irritate and endager other road users, who then.. think nothing of driving too close to us, cutting us up etc as 'all cyclists break the laws, so why should I care about them'

You think lorries would stop flattening people if only we were more polite to them? We need better designed roads, not more Ps and Qs.

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