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Tiso 12-speed wireless transmission finally breaks cover + video

Prototypes have been knocking about for a year but now it's live on their site... sort of

Tiso have finally broken cover with their 12-speed wireless transmission. That's one more cog than either Shimano or Campag, plus you get wireless shifting too. Interested? We are too, but details are a bit patchy at the moment.

The prototypes have been around for a bit; Bikerumor saw them as early as September last year. They weren't wireless at that point but that was always the plan, and the system that's been announced can run on either radio frequencies (2.4GHz control frequencies, most likely) or via Bluetooth connectivity. The mechs themselves are actuator-controlled, with a battery supplying the power; that needs to be wired to the mechs, of course, so it isn't entirely wire-free. The available spec suggests that the power is supplied by AAA rechargeable cells, opening up the possibility of stopping at the garage if you find yourself out of gear power...

The vid shows the gears being controlled with a keyfob-esque controller as well as with Tiso's own lever; presumably the levers contain a separate battery or they'll need to be wired to the main battery too, pretty much negating any benefit of wireless other than the ability to run multiple shifters in any position. For radio transmission that's not so much of an issue, as it's just a quick pulse and even a button cell should last for ages. Bluetooth, on the other hand, requires a constant connection and so drains more juice. The gears are actuated from the Tiso lever via a rocker switch; press the top section to change up (presumably) and the bottom bit to change down. Tiso were also planning to make it controllable via an iPhone app when they talked to Bikerumor, although the beneifts of that are unclear.

The 12-speed cassette is Tiso's own. There's no word on what freehub standard it uses, but the mechs have settings to cope with 10- and 11-speed Campag and Shimano setups as well as the own-brand cassette. That's all we have to go on for now, really – who's in, and who's out?

Dave is a founding father of road.cc, having previously worked on Cycling Plus and What Mountain Bike magazines back in the day. He also writes about e-bikes for our sister publication ebiketips. He's won three mountain bike bog snorkelling World Championships, and races at the back of the third cats.

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alg | 11 years ago
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My neighbour's new car rings my door bell every time he comes in and goes out so until wireless interference is sorted I'm not in the least bit interested.
I don't want wires and batteries either so I'm definitely out. I ride a bicycle not a gadget

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dave atkinson | 11 years ago
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i rode in on down tube shifters today. happy days  4

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badback | 11 years ago
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Blimey I don't know how I used to cope with five speeds on the back.

Seems a bit of the gadget. I bet there will be one or two MAMIL's buying it though.

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jollygoodvelo | 11 years ago
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Why bother having more and more gears? All you need is a hydraulically-actuated system that expands and contracts a single cog and you've got an incrementally variable transmission.

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big mick replied to Simmo72 | 11 years ago
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Simmo72 wrote:

I'll be on cabled 10 speed for a long time yet, its reliable, cheap and offers more than enough range. We make life too complicated for ourselves. Chill.

So true cable gears work so well that said Shimano will go wireless in the future with gear showing computer etc and then i will be having some

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Farky | 11 years ago
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Fugly!

Not long til the powermeter is included and the software is pre-programmed with the stage layout so watts generated are always at their most economic and the gears changed in auto to assist.

Can we get electric steering while were at it, the satnag can take care of that too.

Not a fan, love technology advances but can only see this removing rider ability in the long run.

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giff77 | 11 years ago
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Sticking to my 9 speed. Gets me up some of the decent hills up here no problems. If you need more than that you either need to learn to climb or loose some weight  19
And dave, down shifters ahh found memories  1

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Punchy replied to dave atkinson | 11 years ago
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+1

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David Portland | 11 years ago
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can run on either radio frequencies (2.4GHz control frequencies, most likely) or via Bluetooth connectivity

Bluetooth _is_ 2.4Ghz radio  39  26

(I know what you're trying to say, though  1 )

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Tjuice replied to jollygoodvelo | 11 years ago
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Gizmo_ wrote:

Why bother having more and more gears? All you need is a hydraulically-actuated system that expands and contracts a single cog and you've got an incrementally variable transmission.

How do you fill in the cog gaps? Appreciate you might theoretically be able to get an 11 tooth to look something like a (say) 22 tooth gear by making it bigger so each of the 11 teeth was interspersed with a 1 tooth sized gap, but I can't believe you would have a terribly quiet or reliable system... Be an interesting mechanical challenge to get the thing to expand in such a way that spaces between teeth or between teeth/gaps remained constant (chain spacing can't change).

The alternative is a hydrostatic continuously variable transmission system which would allow you to have notionally infinitely adjustable ratios. The only thing I don't know is how efficient they are. Bet it would be a very heavy system too. Any machinists out there feel like having a go at building one? I guess you'd have to try to find a way to build it all into the bottom bracket...

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davebinks | 11 years ago
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I'm not wasting my money on a 12 speed wireless set up. I'm waiting for the 13 speed thought controlled set I hear a big manufacturer is working on.

I can't understand how I have lived and ridden my bikes for well over 40 years without 12 speed gears.....

I'm just waiting for someone to re-invent that old fashioned idea of a single gear that had no freewheel.
What was it called? Oh I remember now - a "fixed".

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