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“That fucker probably did have a motor,” claims American retired pro in new book

Former professional cyclist Phil Gaimon has accused Fabian Cancellara of cheating by using a hidden motor in his bike.

Gaimon, who retired at the end of the 2016 season after a decade in the peloton, made the claim in his recently published autobiography, Draft Animals.

The American singled out Cancellara’s race-winning performance in the 2008 edition of Milan-San Remo as being particularly suspicious.

In his book, Gaimon wrote: “I dismissed it until I heard his former teammates talk about certain events where Cancellara had his own mechanic, his bike was kept separate from everyone else's, and he rode away from a ‘who's who’ of dopers.

“When you watch the footage, his accelerations don't look natural at all, like he's having trouble staying on the top of the pedals.

“That fucker probably did have a motor,” he added.

Cancellara, a three-time winner of both the Tour of Flanders and Paris-Roubaix and world time trial champion on four occasions, has always denied allegations of using a concealed motor.

Suspicions he may have been using illegal mechanical assistance were at their height in 2010, when the Swiss rider rode away from Tom Boonen on the Muur van Geraardsbergen to take a stunning victory at the Tour of Flanders and followed it up a week later by winning Paris-Roubaix.

Shortly afterwards, Italian ex-pro turned TV pundit Davide Cassani – now coach of Italy’s national team – demonstrated on television how he believed a pro cyclist could use a hidden motor to gain an unfair advantage.

World cycling’s governing body the UCI has stepped up the number of tests carried out on bikes since a concealed motor was found in the frame of a bike belonging to Belgian under-23 rider Femke van Den Driessche at the cyclo-cross world championships last year.

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Since then., however, no hidden motor has been found at a professional race.

Born in Scotland, Simon moved to London aged seven and now lives in the Oxfordshire Cotswolds with his miniature schnauzer, Elodie. He fell in love with cycling one Saturday morning in 1994 while living in Italy when Milan-San Remo went past his front door. A daily cycle commuter in London back before riding to work started to boom, he's been news editor at road.cc since 2009. Handily for work, he speaks French and Italian. He doesn't get to ride his Colnago as often as he'd like, and freely admits he's much more adept at cooking than fettling with bikes.

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Scoob_84 [435 posts] 1 week ago
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Can anyone can dig out youtube clips of these accelerations he's talking about? 

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sneakerfrfeak [117 posts] 1 week ago
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Scoob_84 wrote:

Can anyone can dig out youtube clips of these accelerations he's talking about? 

 

https://youtu.be/z6z7uUe0tVA

https://youtu.be/NXS-qTbR1Tk

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Grahamd [723 posts] 1 week ago
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Bollocks, knew I shouldn’t have sold my shares in Pitchforks R Us.

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KendalRed [98 posts] 1 week ago
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These are the final few km of MSR 08, where FC drops the rest and solos to the win. A bit grainy, and hardly conclusive.

To my relatively untrained eye, there's nothing I can see to back up these accusations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXS-qTbR1Tk

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Leviathan [2840 posts] 1 week ago
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Well that's his youtube channel unsubscribed.

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alansmurphy [1039 posts] 1 week ago
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“When you watch the footage, his accelerations don't look natural at all, like he's having trouble staying on the top of the pedals.

“That fucker probably did have a motor,” he added.

 

Sounds like a literary gem...

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missionsystem [42 posts] 1 week ago
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alansmurphy wrote:

Sounds like a literary gem...

Yeah - maybe... but i'd be lying if i denied instantly wanting to buy the book after reading that excerpt.

Beware Luigi fanboys - he might be telling the truth =] !

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Cian McDermott [3 posts] 1 week ago
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Can't seem to linkn out to the youtueb clips?

 

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jhsmith87 [36 posts] 1 week ago
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Having watched the clips it looks pretty obvious to me, very unnatural acceleration compared to very good riders around him. And back then no one was checking for this type of thing. 

 

I've been following Phil G with his retirement series & the guy is a genuienly nice/decent all round guy so maybe there is another "legend" that we need to cross off from our history books (which isn't leaving many!)

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bondirob [3 posts] 1 week ago
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Glad he broke ranks.
Time a few more did the same.
It's not like we didn't already know anyway.

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kitkat [475 posts] 1 week ago
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First time i've watched it and I have to say it is amazing feat for Cancellara to stay seated, turning the pedals and put in a "300m" gap in 60 seconds (2m 37 > 3m 37)

When you're in form you're in form but... to put in that big a difference between two riders at the top of their game who are leading a top flight race they both want to win... it's quite "something"

https://youtu.be/z6z7uUe0tVA?t=156

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Martyn_K [224 posts] 1 week ago
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Shock horror.

Former pro trying to sell his book who's palmares peaks at winning the Redlands Bicycle Classic calls out another former pro (who has won almost everything) for motor doping without any evidence to support his claim.

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Jimmy Ray Will [792 posts] 1 week ago
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If you look hard enough you'll see whatever you want.

Now we know it is feasibly possible to hide a motor in a bike. And I can think of a few occasions where 'Fab' rode away from everyone where the crowd noise would have concealed the whir of an electric motor. 

However, from my experience of electric bikes, such use would stand out like a sore thumb and riders would simply not stand for it. They'd either shout out, or jump on the bus (look at doping in the 90's)... the fact that motorised doping is not endemic suggests that its just not there at all.

Actually thinking about it. You know all these clever scanners for detecting motorised doping, why not just weigh the bike? If the battery is hidden in the bike, then the bikes would be 500grams+ heavier than they should be.

Yes you could potentially hide this with lightweight non-stock equipment, but that to me would also stand out... why would someone have super light bits on a bike, yet the bike still weigh over 6.8kg? If the battery pack was in the bottle cage, there would need to be a physical connecting point  there somewhere visible. 

Either way, you could protect that by requesting teams to provide details of stock rider equipment, any anomolies to this and bike weights for each rider. Covered. 

I think the quote in question will have been taken deliberately out of context in order to sell books. I'd happily wager 20 english pounds that Gaimon isn't outing Cancellara in the book. 

 

 

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TheDoctor [245 posts] 1 week ago
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Just an mediocre ex pro troll who thinks beating amateurs on Strava makes him great, all a bit sad really!

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Rushie [46 posts] 1 week ago
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sneakerfrfeak wrote:
Scoob_84 wrote:

Can anyone can dig out youtube clips of these accelerations he's talking about? 

 

https://youtu.be/z6z7uUe0tVA

https://youtu.be/NXS-qTbR1Tk

 

If you play that second clip backwards and slow it down a bit you can clearly hear him say "Satan Is Lord".

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tsarouxaz [84 posts] 1 week ago
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it is well known...

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fukawitribe [1999 posts] 1 week ago
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TheDoctor wrote:

Just an mediocre ex pro troll who thinks beating amateurs on Strava makes him great

Most of the KOMs are from pro's, number during races (some of which he was in), many near the top of those leader-boards were on the juice at the time as well. There's also more than an element of humour with the 'Worst Retirement' series that you seem to be missing. You may not like him,  fair enough, but he's hardly doing what you make out.

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fukawitribe [1999 posts] 1 week ago
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kitkat wrote:

First time i've watched it and I have to say it is amazing feat for Cancellara to stay seated, turning the pedals and put in a "300m" gap in 60 seconds (2m 37 > 3m 37)

When you're in form you're in form but... to put in that big a difference between two riders at the top of their game who are leading a top flight race they both want to win... it's quite "something"

https://youtu.be/z6z7uUe0tVA?t=156

On that subject, this seemed quite interesting to me

http://cozybeehive.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/anatomy-of-cancellara-attack.html

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Jamminatrix [180 posts] 1 week ago
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This has been rumor mill for years. Unfortunately there is basically zero evidence aside from footage, because it happened years ago and all bikes are long gone/stripped out. And there was only one personal mechanic of Fabian's bike...so unless that one mechanic fesses up, nothing will come of it.

Whether it's true or not, people need to understand it's not like Cancellara was a Joe Schmoe and doping made him a top rider...which is why people don't believe it, because they think that's what is being implicated. He's a top 1%'er, even without the assistance. The cheating just creates the historic moments. Lance didn't win 7 tours in a row because he was ordinary doped Joe Schmoe, he won because he was a 1%'er doped Joe Schmoe.

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drosco [400 posts] 1 week ago
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He has a point.

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fenix [801 posts] 1 week ago
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Absolute rubbish. Did he ever even ride with Cancellara ? And was he on the electric bike for the rest of his victories ?

This is as bad as the jet fuel can't melt steel beams theories.

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mrmo [2096 posts] 1 week ago
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There is no proof, but there have always been questions, and there will probably never be any proof. There is no blood stored away in some lab etc. Just a couple of people who know for certain and they will certainly deny it. 

https://twitter.com/nealrogers/status/928648002968764416

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alansmurphy [1039 posts] 1 week ago
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Jet fuel doesn't melt beams, fire was involved...

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alansmurphy [1039 posts] 1 week ago
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kitkat wrote:

First time i've watched it and I have to say it is amazing feat for Cancellara to stay seated, turning the pedals and put in a "300m" gap in 60 seconds (2m 37 > 3m 37)

When you're in form you're in form but... to put in that big a difference between two riders at the top of their game who are leading a top flight race they both want to win... it's quite "something"

https://youtu.be/z6z7uUe0tVA?t=156

What would seem more providing of proof would be to know how quick he went up compared to the rest of the race. Boonen looked like he hat hit the wall!

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rjfrussell [403 posts] 1 week ago
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I find it amazing when in Olympic 5,000 and 10,000m races, they get to the last lap, or sometimes the last bend, and one man or woman suddenly accelerates away from the rest of the world class field.  AND NO-ONE CLAIMS THEY HAVE MOTORS HIDDEN IN THEIR LEGS!!!  How naive are you people??!!!???  If the guy who wins, on the day, breaks the next best guy, on the day, and opens up a big gap, it's obviously because he has a motor in his bike, or legs, and not because, on the day, he has the legs of a champion, and the other guy realises he is beaten.  Snowflakes!

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rjfrussell [403 posts] 1 week ago
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Jamminatrix wrote:

And there was only one personal mechanic of Fabian's bike...so unless that one mechanic fesses up, nothing will come of it..

The one personal mechanic, who, what, on his own,  invented and made the magic engine (and all the parts) he could put into the bike that Cancellara was riding.

Lots of people would have been involved.  One mechanic and Cancellera did not do this.  Dozens of people would have known.

Dozens of people knew Lance doped.  Some of them 'fessed.

No-one has 'fessed that Kubrick faked the moon-landings.

No-one has 'fessed that the CIA shot Kennedy.

No-one has 'fessed that Elvis is actually working in MacDonalds.

No-one has 'fessed that Cancellera had a motor in his bike which he used at the points when it looked like he was the stronger guy riding away from the weaker guy who had just blown despites all the other times...  oh fuck off.

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missionsystem [42 posts] 1 week ago
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I honestly think you ought to calm down, take a stress pill and think things over.

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RobD [531 posts] 1 week ago
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Fabian Cancellara, the guy who is quite well known for being particular about his equipment (sticking to mechanical gears rather than di2) and probably the biggest name on most teams, had his own mechanic and stored his bike spearately, not sure that it's that big a story. the fact that he's ridden to some pretty impressive victories at an older age and at a time when bikes are checked (I imagine his have been checked a good few times with all the rumours, the UCI wouldn't want to get caught out for ignoring the most rumoured motor doper going) gives him the benefit of the doubt in my eyes. 

Will I ever believe 100% in his results? No, I don't think I'd ever bet my house on any sportsperson being totally believeable with their achievements, but of all the likely cheats, I can't see him making it very high up the list.

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peted76 [766 posts] 1 week ago
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Watch this conspiracy video from 3:30 https://youtu.be/8Nd13ARuvVE It's an interesting angle on things, suggesting that the footage shows him 'pressing buttons' not 'shifting gears'... the acceleration from Boonen at Flanders is quite amazing, for me it doesn't look like Boonen's cooked at that point, it just looks like Cancellara 'makes him look cooked' as he rides up the 19% part of the Muur van Geraardsbergen seated, almost without breaking cadence.. it's a superb showing of strength from Cancellera, mind blowingly strong...  by the time boonen reaches the top cancellara has 400meters on him.. which looks to me as that show of strength must have lasted about 45seconds... after 245km's of racing...hmm

Compare this footage from 2:00 in the 2017 Flanders race, these racers have fresher legs with  80km's less racing done and almost everyone is out of the saddle at the exact same point cancellera attacks in 2010 https://youtu.be/-E1BC-6nprI 

hmm

 

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