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Almost half! Would you believe it?

Swiss accident insurer, Suva, has launched a safe cycling video on the grounds that cyclists are responsible for almost half of all road accidents involving bikes. The press release doesn’t state who or what might be responsible for the remainder. Presumably they’ve already covered all of that in a previous campaign.

Suva also fails to say what proportion of motor vehicle accidents are caused by drivers to provide a comparison. Our knowledge of Switzerland’s road collision data is shaky-to-non-existent, but we’re willing to proffer a guess of ‘more than half’.

The Local reports Esther Hess, campaign leader at Suva, as saying: "Respect for traffic in the streets means to look for others."

Referring to the video, in which a carefree young father comes a cropper thanks to his irresponsible cycling, she adds that, “the most important thing is that you have enough time for the journey to work so that you don’t have an accident."

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danthomascyclist [320 posts] 6 days ago
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So in other words where there's an accident involving a cyclist it's more likely that the cyclist isn't at fault and somehow it's the cyclists that need educating.

 

Total shitbags.

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Deeferdonk [16 posts] 6 days ago
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Just watched the video. Looks like the cyclist is knocked off by a motorist who changes lane without indicating and then fails to stop at the scene. Are you sure its not aimed at motorists?

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ChrisB200SX [296 posts] 6 days ago
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Note that the guy who pulled out without looking, or even reacting just sped off. Quite a strange video.

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Rod Marton [80 posts] 6 days ago
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Switzerland is one of the few countries I have cycled in where drivers behave more badly towards cyclists than in the UK (Romania and Russia are the others). I can only assume that this statistic has been generated by the Swiss equivalent of the Daily Mail.

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wycombewheeler [1035 posts] 6 days ago
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ChrisB200SX wrote:

Note that the guy who pulled out without looking, or even reacting just sped off. Quite a strange video.

Thats a little harsh, he could well have checked the mirror while the cyclist was moving from the nearside to the offside.

Anyway, i take the message as 'people drive like dicks, be careful out there'

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riotgibbon [209 posts] 5 days ago
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more Swiss cycling antics

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=168v3GAqNwc

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ooldbaker [85 posts] 5 days ago
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Depends what you classsify as an "accidents involving bikes" My understanding that far and away the most common cause of injury in this country is simply falling off you bike. Difficult to blame anyone else in these cases.

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leaway2 [66 posts] 5 days ago
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The guy is not wearing hi-viz and probably not paying Swiss road tax. He deserves all he got. Pity the helmet didn't save him.

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surly_by_name [460 posts] 5 days ago
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Given the number of cyclists in places like China must dwarf the number of cyclists in Switzerland, I'm surprised that "Swiss cyclists cause almost half of all cycling accidents". They must be really crap.

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biketime [13 posts] 5 days ago
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Rod Marton wrote:

Switzerland is one of the few countries I have cycled in where drivers behave more badly towards cyclists than in the UK (Romania and Russia are the others). I can only assume that this statistic has been generated by the Swiss equivalent of the Daily Mail.

  You ain't seen notihng yet until you've ridden in certain metros and regions of America.

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BehindTheBikesheds [105 posts] 5 days ago
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Whilst cycling in the Alps a few years ago the only hassle I had was from two CH plated motorcyclists who decided that powering past me within a few inches was okay. Got to the top of the 2nd col of the day and was having a nice chat with an Austrian touring motorcyclist and he agreed that many Swiss motorists were just "Blöde Fotze" and when confronted were a bunch of "hosenscheisser" (trouser shitters).

complaints have been forwarded to the relevant police forces for spreading this crap.

 

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Ramuz [236 posts] 5 days ago
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Switerland is an excellent country and is above criticism.

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ConcordeCX [243 posts] 5 days ago
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surly_by_name wrote:

Given the number of cyclists in places like China must dwarf the number of cyclists in Switzerland, I'm surprised that "Swiss cyclists cause almost half of all cycling accidents". They must be really crap.

I blame all those DT Swiss spokes

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Alankk [139 posts] 5 days ago
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I suspect London has a higher percentage, seriously what's the point of helmets if you don't do cycle training..

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beezus fufoon [647 posts] 5 days ago
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"Almost half! Would you believe it?"

well yeah - 50/50 would be statistically neutral, so less than that might be significant - if they gave us the actual figures rather than some vague bullshit

99% of all cycling accidents involve a bicycle

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dinosaurJR [82 posts] 5 days ago
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Alankk wrote:

I suspect London has a higher percentage, seriously what's the point of helmets if you don't do cycle training..

 

What the fuck is "cycle training"? 

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whobiggs [89 posts] 5 days ago
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Rod Marton wrote:

Switzerland is one of the few countries I have cycled in where drivers behave more badly towards cyclists than in the UK l.

 

Seriously? I go there regularly and it's heaven for cycling (apart from tram tracks!)

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whobiggs [89 posts] 5 days ago
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What the fuck is "cycle training"? 

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Agreed, I've tried to train mine but I'd probably have more success training the goldfish  yes

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OllyC [36 posts] 5 days ago
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Is it just me or is it all rather light hearted (e.g. ending music) considering the content? Maybe if I understood a bit more German it would help...

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Bob F [29 posts] 5 days ago
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Oh those Swiss and their sense of humour!!

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rix [154 posts] 4 days ago
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Second day cycling in Switzerland after two weeks in Spain and it is awful here compared to Spain. Drivers just don't give a f@#$.

Don't go to Switzerland with a bike. You are not welcome here!

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dinosaurJR [82 posts] 4 days ago
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rix wrote:

Second day cycling in Switzerland after two weeks in Spain and it is awful here compared to Spain. Drivers just don't give a f@#$.

Don't go to Switzerland with a bike. You are not welcome here!

 

I seem to remember an interview with Cadel Evans from a few years back where he pretty much said the same thing. IIRC, he said that the bonus of living in southern Switzerland was that you got to live within spitting distance of northern Italy. You could pop over the border, cycle around in relative safety, fill up on gelati then pop back home to a country that actually works... 

I can also say from personal experience having driven around in northern Italy / Switzerland a fair bit that after a while, seeing a Swiss plate on the car in front means hang back and cover the brake... A Swiss plate on the car behind normally means expect an unwarranted dangerous overtake on a blind bend soon.

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kie7077 [900 posts] 4 days ago
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Alankk wrote:

I suspect London has a higher percentage, seriously what's the point of helmets if you don't do cycle training..

I did 'cycle training' for work, the instructors didn't know half of what they should of known, they didn't know when to take primary and even tried to tell me off for taking primary to avoid shitty passes, silly f**kers wanted me to cycle in the door zone so far as I could tell. Cycle training is out of date.

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bikelikebike [105 posts] 3 days ago
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Good ad! Dramatic and memorable. Nailed most of the behaviour that will get an urban cyclist KSIed:

  • Not a shoulder check in sight – check!
  • Hand signals are for losers – check!
  • Sudden changes of direction around drivers with limited visibility – check!
  • Unsuitable clothing – check!
  • Holier-than-thou bad attitude (more worried about demonstrating the benefits of cycling to nobody who actually GAF than paying attention to the road, in this case, MGIF of my neighbour) – check!

I also like the irony that the smug idiot gets taken out by a driver who commits exactly the same sins:

  • no signal - check
  • inadequate safety checks before a manoeuvre - check
  • impatient MGIF attitude leading to a sudden swerve - check

Hoist by one's own Petard so to speak. It missed a few though:

  • Ignoring red lights and pedestrian crossings
  • Cycling like a wanker in a shared use environment e.g. park, river path etc
  • Headphones reducing awareness
  • Executing your commute like it is a training ride e.g. pissing about with cycle computer, HRM, Strava e.g. more focused on performance than purpose.

Hopefully there will be a part 2.

The Mayor of London and the MET should team up to create something similar, but more relevant to the kind of trash I witness everyday from the average utterly clueless London cycling commuter.

 

 

 

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BehindTheBikesheds [105 posts] 2 days ago
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How many killed cyclists in urban areas, how many are motorists at fault, in the UK say, we already know that more than 3/4 of all incidents are considered by the motorcentric police force to be solely the fault of the motorist so basically your drivel is exactly that.

apply what you've written to motorists and you have a far more accurate description of the modern day motorist and the root cause of the numbers and indeed why the attitude of a few people riding bikes comes across as aggressive.

Please also give some hard evidence for people riding bikes having their awarness reduced by wearing headphones.

Please give some evidence as to innapropriate clothing, helmet didn't save his life though eh and was a contributing factor to the obviously overtly dramatised (fantasised) behaviour and demise, you missed that though didn't you plug!

Direct Line did a survey some years back and found 12 million red lights were run every single month by drivers of motorvehicles, that's not even including amber gamblers. So again your tosh is just plain tosh.

clearly there are some people no matter what mode of transport are selfish "wankers" but as a troll you would know that by far this is not those riding on two wheels under their own power, isn't that right plug?.

 

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bikelikebike [105 posts] 2 days ago
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BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

How many killed cyclists in urban areas, how many are motorists at fault, in the UK say, we already know that more than 3/4 of all incidents are considered by the motorcentric police force to be solely the fault of the motorist so basically your drivel is exactly that.

This was set in Switzerland not the UK. By your own figures 25% of cyclists involved in accidents are so unaware that they are the ones who will end up in the morgue if they tangle with a moving vehicle and cycle like twats? Sounds like good grounds for an ad campaign in the UK to me.

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apply what you've written to motorists and you have a far more accurate description of the modern day motorist and the root cause of the numbers and indeed why the attitude of a few people riding bikes comes across as aggressive.

Have you ever seen a car with a bandage? The consequences of being an aggressive twat in a vehicle ... well you have more wiggle room before you finally push the limits of your airbags too far. The consequence of being an aggressive arse on a bicycle is a one-way trip to the crematorium. Especially if you are dumb enough to not wear a helmet. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/sep/22/bicycle-helmets-red...

More incentive to equip yourself properly and not ride like a twat, don't you think? An ad campaign is money well spent educating the foolish?

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Please also give some hard evidence for people riding bikes having their awarness reduced by wearing headphones.

If part of your attention is on music, audiobook, cycle computer etc, not all of it is on the road. This does not require a research project. Before you ask, yes this is also true for drivers, but have you ever seen a car with a bandage?

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Please give some evidence as to inappropriate clothing, helmet didn't save his life though eh and was a contributing factor to the obviously overtly dramatised (fantasised) behaviour and demise, you missed that though didn't you plug!

No Hi-Viz. Nothing reflective. The evidence is in the video.

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Direct Line did a survey some years back and found 12 million red lights were run every single month by drivers of motorvehicles, that's not even including amber gamblers. So again your tosh is just plain tosh.

Ever seen a car with a bandage?

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clearly there are some people no matter what mode of transport are selfish "wankers" but as a troll you would know that by far this is not those riding on two wheels under their own power, isn't that right plug?.

Ah 'troll'. The new word for 'you have said something in my safe space that I don't agree with'. Bless.

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BehindTheBikesheds [105 posts] 2 days ago
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Wrong again chump, 25% PARTLY at fault, again thats according to the police whom we know have an inbuilt bias against people on bikes and show all too often a lack of understanding as to why a motorist is at fault.

But if you believe the BS of the 'nearly 50%' for Switzerland then clearly you're a narrow minded idiot who just wants to believe what they want to believe without actually looking at actual real facts nor why situations occur, not to mention blaming victims and discharging those that do do the harm from being in the wrong.

The rest of your blather is simply nonsense.

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davel [1135 posts] 2 days ago
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bikelikebike wrote:

Ah 'troll'. The new word for 'you have said something in my safe space that I don't agree with'. Bless.

Remind us again what the reason was for you being banned as 'Willo'...

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oldstrath [734 posts] 2 days ago
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bikelikebike wrote:
BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

How many killed cyclists in urban areas, how many are motorists at fault, in the UK say, we already know that more than 3/4 of all incidents are considered by the motorcentric police force to be solely the fault of the motorist so basically your drivel is exactly that.

This was set in Switzerland not the UK. By your own figures 25% of cyclists involved in accidents are so unaware that they are the ones who will end up in the morgue if they tangle with a moving vehicle and cycle like twats? Sounds like good grounds for an ad campaign in the UK to me.

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apply what you've written to motorists and you have a far more accurate description of the modern day motorist and the root cause of the numbers and indeed why the attitude of a few people riding bikes comes across as aggressive.

Have you ever seen a car with a bandage? The consequences of being an aggressive twat in a vehicle ... well you have more wiggle room before you finally push the limits of your airbags too far. The consequence of being an aggressive arse on a bicycle is a one-way trip to the crematorium. Especially if you are dumb enough to not wear a helmet. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/sep/22/bicycle-helmets-red...

More incentive to equip yourself properly and not ride like a twat, don't you think? An ad campaign is money well spent educating the foolish?

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Please also give some hard evidence for people riding bikes having their awarness reduced by wearing headphones.

If part of your attention is on music, audiobook, cycle computer etc, not all of it is on the road. This does not require a research project. Before you ask, yes this is also true for drivers, but have you ever seen a car with a bandage?

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Please give some evidence as to inappropriate clothing, helmet didn't save his life though eh and was a contributing factor to the obviously overtly dramatised (fantasised) behaviour and demise, you missed that though didn't you plug!

No Hi-Viz. Nothing reflective. The evidence is in the video.

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Direct Line did a survey some years back and found 12 million red lights were run every single month by drivers of motorvehicles, that's not even including amber gamblers. So again your tosh is just plain tosh.

Ever seen a car with a bandage?

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clearly there are some people no matter what mode of transport are selfish "wankers" but as a troll you would know that by far this is not those riding on two wheels under their own power, isn't that right plug?.

Ah 'troll'. The new word for 'you have said something in my safe space that I don't agree with'. Bless.

So your entire spiel, aside from drivel about reflective gear, boils down to " cars are big, and drivers are immune from the consequences of their stupid actions". Which is mostly trtue, and exactly why the law should be weighted against presuming their innocence, and why frequent reassessment would be a good thing.

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bikelikebike [105 posts] 2 days ago
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oldstrath wrote:

So your entire spiel, aside from drivel about reflective gear, boils down to " cars are big, and drivers are immune from the consequences of their stupid actions". Which is mostly trtue, and exactly why the law should be weighted against presuming their innocence, and why frequent reassessment would be a good thing.

Besides completely disagreeing with the flawed and wholly unjust concept of apportioning blame before there has even been any form of investigation into an accident,  quite frankly, what use is any of that to you or your family, friends and colleagues when you are dead?

That is what this ad is about. Live in the now. Cycle with full knowledge that you don't have the luxury that drivers have to make stupid errors and get away with only damaged paintwork. The kind of cycling depicted in the video is not unrealistic at all. Many people cycle like that, making the kind of errors I have listed, and are very, very lucky to get away with it. Everyday, they foolishly place their fate in the hands of hopefully vigilant strangers. It is madness.

Maybe an ad like that will get them to think twice and have a serious attitude on the roads.

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