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MTBers 'terrorising' walkers on Cornish forest trails

'Extreme' cyclists on Cardinham Woods trails scaring walkers away, reports say...

Mountain bikers tearing up the trails are terrorising local walkers, according to reports from Bodmin’s Cardinham Woods.

Walkers are said to be boycotting the area after clashing with ‘extreme’ riders on trails created by the Forestry Commission.

They have also complained about litter being left behind.

One walker says the routes are now dangerous, and has written to her local MP, Scott Mann.

Lindsey Tomlinson told the Cornish Guardian: " A lot of local people are no longer going to the woods because the mountain bikers are ruining their enjoyment. They tear around at excessive speed, and it is no longer safe for people to walk there, as more and more areas of the wood have been made into cycle trails.

"It's not ordinary local cyclists who are causing the problems, but dedicated trail cyclists who come to Cardinham from various parts of the country, attracted by the Forestry Commission advertising the trails.

"They spook horses, litter the woods with their energy drink cans and generally have no regard for others. It is simply no longer a pleasant place to go for a great many people.”

John Ebsary, Forestry Commission area forester for Cornwall said: "Cardinham Woods is a busy recreation site and with lots of people using the forest for different reasons, there can at times be some conflict and its disappointing to hear that these visitors have had issues.

"We work hard to communicate with all our visitors and encourage everyone to be considerate of other users. We recently made some changes to our Lady Vale trail to alleviate clashes between walkers and cyclists which has made a positive difference.

"We also have a seasonal ranger starting soon who will be on site during our busiest times and part of his role will be to be there to help visitors and also make sure the everyone is being considerate of other visitors.

"If any of our visitors have concerns or would like to speak to me in more detail about any of these issues they are welcome to contact me at john.ebsary [at] forestry.gsi.gov.uk,'' he said.

The Forestry Commission advertises the Cardinham Woods trails on its website, saying:

The 12km Bodmin Beast blue (moderate) grade cycle trail aims to set the benchmark for singletrack trails in Cornwall. Suitable for cyclists with a moderate level of off-road experience and keen mountain bikers, this exciting trail explores the wooded slopes of the Cardinham Valley. You will encounter a number of technical climbs and descents, snaking single track trail and features such as tight bermed corners, small step downs, rollers and table tops. All features can be rolled over at a moderate speed. The trail is exposed to steep unfenced side slopes in places.

There are also two sections of difficult red grade trail, which loop off of the main Bodmin Beast. These options will add up to 30 mins to your ride, and are only suitable for proficient mountain bikers. ‘Dialled-In Dave’ is natural, flowing and fast; an ideal introduction to Red grade single track and a great place to develop your trail riding skills. ‘Hell’s Teeth’ presents a tough initial climb, with some very steep sections, but you’ll be rewarded at the top with some narrow, flowing trail featuring numerous technical features and then a very steep bermed final descent.

Back in 2014 we reported how Bodmin became Cornwall’s ‘cycling town’ with its new network of cycling and walking routes - just weeks after the council admitted that it didn’t think the town would be able to shift significantly to walking, cycling and public transport.

The plans were at the heart of a £1 billion seven year plan for investment in Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly.

The Strategic Economic Plan was produced by the Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP) and included Bodmin’s Transport Plan, which promised that from 2016, there will be “a wider Bodmin transport package of measures which includes junction upgrades, walking and cycling infrastructure, public transport provision and new highway infrastructure.”

Cornwall Council proposed to create a series of cycle routes through the town which will link the Camel Trail to the bike trails created at Cardinham Woods and the National Trust's estate at Lanhydrock.

 

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rosscado | 7 years ago
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What a daft non-story. Anyone careless enough to walk on a designated MTB trail is putting themselves and others at risk, as seen in this video. 

https://www.facebook.com/115231578576910/videos/783861671713894/

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jon86boi | 7 years ago
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I've ridden those trails and can confirm that they are excellent and a real credit to the area. The trails don't really share any of the walk ways apart from the first climb - I wouldn't have described my pace up there as "excessive speed" haha. Beyond that it occasionally crosses walk ways so the interaction with walkers would be minimal.

Either way - littering is unacceptable. I hope all cyclists, walkers and other park users get their shizz together and stop it.

 

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kie7077 | 7 years ago
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In other news, roger yokel the farmer has made a complaint that the cars are travelling too fast down the big six lane road and are scaring his cows as he walks them to the slaughterhouse. When queried about the cow dung left on the road, he insisted it must have been the cars that left it there.

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Initialised | 7 years ago
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If riders had the right to roam (as in Scotland and Scandinavia) then MTB would not be limited to Trail Centres and artificially concentrated by over regulation. Strict Liability could help as much here as it could on the roads by allowing cyclists access to the whole of the UK to both rambles and off road cyclists with the proviso that if you crash into someone it's assumed to be your fault.

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Adam Ef | 7 years ago
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 This all stems from a bulls**t story in the local paper trying to whip up some readership and click bait as is often the way with sinking media these days.. negative stories about cycling are easy fodder...https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1103668099693092&id=27...

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mireland | 7 years ago
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"It's not ordinary local cyclists who are causing the problems, but dedicated trail cyclists who come to Cardinham from various parts of the country, attracted by the Forestry Commission advertising the trails."

There are so many points that are likely to irk cyclist about this 'one' persons opinion, and others have already pointed out some.  But let's be clear, for most mountain bikers (of which I include myself), Cardinham Woods are unlikely to be attracting people from across the country. 

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Chris replied to mireland | 7 years ago
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mireland wrote:

There are so many points that are likely to irk cyclist about this 'one' persons opinion, and others have already pointed out some.  But let's be clear, for most mountain bikers (of which I include myself), Cardinham Woods are unlikely to be attracting people from across the country. 

Sort of true, but when I went to Cardinham it was because I was already on holiday in Cornwall, so in that sense maybe there are plenty of people visiting from across the country?

Still a pile of old nonsense though, as visitors from afar are far more likely to stick to the very well signposted MTB trails and it's more likely to be local off-roaders that know their way around well enough to go off-piste where there might be walkers.

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Beatnik69 | 7 years ago
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I don't know much about mountain biking but would you really need an energy drink or gel for a 12km route? 

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tritecommentbot replied to Beatnik69 | 7 years ago
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Beatnik69 wrote:

I don't know much about mountain biking but would you really need an energy drink or gel for a 12km route? 

 

No but they won't be just riding 12km. 

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Stuk | 7 years ago
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I'm local to Cardinham and use the trails a couple of times a week. These claims are a nonsense.

The trails are cycle specific and apart from transitional areas are separated from the walking paths. They have a warning at the beginning of each section not to walk up them and in most cases start with steep sections of track which no leisure walker would entertain climbing on foot.

Due to the size of the forest and the divergent nature of the walking and cycling trails it is fairly rare that you will actually encounter any walkers and where the paths are shared it is done so amicably and respectfully. (We have a great tradition in Cornwall of saying things like "Hello" to other people as we pass.)

The walking trails are well used, often by families of those who have come to ride the trails. Anybody who suggests they've been abandoned should try getting a parking space at the weekend. 

There is also zero sign of littering on the cycle trails (cans, gel wrappers or otherwise).

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brooksby | 7 years ago
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Litter as cans is usually the stuff thrown out of cars. On a footpath/cycle path, it's more likely to be pedestrians. How does the "one person" know that the energy drinks cans are down to the MTBers?

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bendertherobot | 7 years ago
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Littering is certainly a common theme but, energy drink CANS? That's unusual and I smell a bit of a rat there.

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Paul J | 7 years ago
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No idea about the veracity generally of these complaints, but the one about cyclists being litter bugs, splattering the country side with empty gel wrappers, rings very true. The tendency to litter by other cyclists really disgusts me. How hard can it be to put it back in your pocket and bring it home?

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1961BikiE | 7 years ago
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All I will say is, it's obviously only cyclists who litter.

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Chuck replied to 1961BikiE | 7 years ago
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1961BikiE wrote:

All I will say is, it's obviously only cyclists who litter.

Given the amount of litter around the bike trails at places like Llandegla and Cannock I have no problem belieiving that cyclists are worse offenders than other users.

As for the other stuff it's hard to know whether people are coming into conflict with bikes on designated bike trails (in which case, duh) or the connecting fire road. Again, plenty of peopke at Cannock riding like bell ends on shared bits of trail.

So while it's easy to dismiss people who complain as nimbys they might sometimes have a point.

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wycombewheeler replied to 1961BikiE | 7 years ago
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1961BikiE wrote:

All I will say is, it's obviously only cyclists who litter.

Certainly only cyclists able to carry canned drinks.

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LegalFun | 7 years ago
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I think that the Rights of Way act needs updating to suit modern times.

At present there is a basic hierachy of
Footpath - Pedestrian only
Bridleway (and Restricted Byway) - Pedestrian, Cyclist and Horses
Byway Open To All Traffic - Peds, Cyclists, Horses and Motors

 

Instead we need an extra, maybe Cycleway for bicycles only.
That would indicate to pedestrians that it is a trail designed for bikes and would help segregate pedestrians from cyclists on trails with restricted sightlines and fast downhill courses (Probably only 20 miles worth in many counties)
 

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Stumps | 7 years ago
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Totally agree with you on this, if the trails were built purely for the bikes why do people use them ?

There must be numerous other walks for hikers and the general public, unless of course some one can correct me on that point ?

As for littering, its a disgusting habit regardless of who is responsible.

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arfa | 7 years ago
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"One walker says the routes are now dangerous, and has written to her local MP".

There always will be "one" and I am not sure why "one" voice should have greater weight than the many who happily rub along in the area ? Sounds like it's a case of "one" prejudiced individual having their moment in the sun.  If these are built marked trails, what on earth are you doing walking on them when there's the rest of the forest to enjoy ? "Dialled in Dave" doesn't sound like the place to go for a relaxing stroll given its promotional description.

Where I mountain bike, I do occasionally encounter people walking up trails and usually it is people getting lost and I will always politely caution that there might be others coming down faster than myself and they might not anticipate your presence round a blind corner or a dip.  Most are friendly enough but sometimes you will encounter belligerence but you can't educate the stupid can you ?

I don't know the area but I am presuming the trails have not been built on shared use paths, in which case, they have designed in conflict which is stupid in itself.

As for littering, there is no excuse, it's obnoxious and gives ammunition to the whining minority.

The other point that needs to be made to this individual is that people coming to ride in "their" forest bring money, spending and jobs to an area that undoubtedly will need it, hence the promotion. So please, understand that it is not "your forest" in the personal sense, it is "your forest" plural.

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