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Longer amber traffic lights 'are safer' - but will amber gamblers just take advantage?

It's against the law to cross on amber - except in exceptional circumstances...

Changing traffic light cycles to include a longer period on amber could reduce the number of collisions at crossings, researchers have claimed.

The Dutch consultancy firm Goudappel Coffeng has found that the number of collisions or near misses caused by red light jumpers both on bikes and in cars could be reduced.

Just by having at least two seconds of amber at a cycle crossing or five seconds at a road junction where cars are travelling at 80 km per hour reduces people running a red light by 50 per cent.

The rules in the UK about entering a crossing on amber are clear.

The Highway Code states that: “RED AND AMBER also means ‘Stop’. Do not pass through or start until GREEN shows.”

“AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident”.

In addition, those with longer vehicles must take extra precautions. If the red light is not showing when the front of the vehicle crosses the line, but is illuminated before the rest of the vehicle has passed, an offence is committed.

The rules state that it is the obligation of a driver to ensure that the whole of the vehicle can pass on green, or not proceed.

Drivers who fail to comply risk 3 penalty points - but campaigners say the country is riddled with ‘amber gamblers’ who just drive on through regardless.

According to Gizmodo:

There's no universal correct yellow traffic light time, since people going 35 MPH will be able to stop quicker than people going 50 MPH. But there are equations to figure out the minimum safe time for a yellow light.

The speed limit obviously matters, but so does how quickly a car can decelerate, and whether the road is hilly or level. Plus, you have to account for the driver's "perception reaction time," which is basically how quickly a driver can react to seeing the light turn yellow. And that reaction time can vary from person to person, which is where things get sticky.

The Department of Transportation's traffic manual recommends that yellow lights are between 3 and 6 seconds long in the US.

 

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jasecd | 8 years ago
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All fairly moot when you consider there is pretty much zero enforcement of junctions unless there is a camera. I got hooted at by an HGV the other day for stopping in the ASL on amber (I was on my bike) and then he came 3 feet over his stop line up to my rear wheel - wasn't intimidating at all. 

All this debating and tweaking is really a case of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic - real change is needed and will require a change in driver attitudes and a move away from the motor centric, entitled attitude that dominates.

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Eric D | 8 years ago
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UK amber standard is "3 seconds +/- 0.25s"

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brooksby | 8 years ago
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Does anyone else get hooted at, if they wait until a green light before they start moving?

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QDubs | 8 years ago
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In the U.S. shorter yellow (our version of amber) meant red was eminent and most people stopped. Yellow, along with entire cycles, have been lengthened and drivers really really really don't want to get stuck sitting for such a long time so yellow now means speed up and hurry through as quickly and recklessly as possible. If you dare stop on yellow you are likely to get nailed by the driver behind you who is speeding up to make it through.

 

 

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CarolineF | 8 years ago
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That picture is our traffic light tree on the Isle of Dogs, just near Billingsgate Market.

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bsknight | 8 years ago
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"It's against the law to cross on amber - except in exceptional circumstances... "

Ha ha. Somone ought to tell Bristol's drivers this. Amber is just completely ignored here.

 

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pants | 8 years ago
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Perhaps this is true is wherever the study took place, but anyone who have been on the road on a vehicle of any form will tell you that in the UK amber means speed up.

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Gus T replied to pants | 8 years ago
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pants wrote:

Perhaps this is true is wherever the study took place, but anyone who have been on the road on a vehicle of any form will tell you that in the UK amber means speed up.

Not in Hull, to Hull drivers amber means continue at whatever speed you were doing, red means speed up.

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tarquin_foxglove replied to pants | 8 years ago
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pants wrote:

Perhaps this is true is wherever the study took place, but anyone who have been on the road on a vehicle of any form will tell you that in the UK amber means speed up.

 

Agreed, perhaps a longer pause between the red & the opposing flow getting a green would be safer than an extended amber phase.

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brooksby replied to tarquin_foxglove | 8 years ago
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tarquin_foxglove wrote:

pants wrote:

Perhaps this is true is wherever the study took place, but anyone who have been on the road on a vehicle of any form will tell you that in the UK amber means speed up.

 

Agreed, perhaps a longer pause between the red & the opposing flow getting a green would be safer than an extended amber phase.

Seconded. It would give all the RLJ cars time to get out of the way...

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brooksby | 8 years ago
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"Those in longer vehicles need to take extra precautions " - erm, someone really needs to tell bus drivers this. On St James Barton in Bristol they're the worst:  you can tell the lights are about to change because of the bus drivers suddenly putting their foot down, and *every time * the lights change there's a bus across in front of the lights ahead of you.

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 8 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

"Those in longer vehicles need to take extra precautions " - erm, someone really needs to tell bus drivers this. On St James Barton in Bristol they're the worst:  you can tell the lights are about to change because of the bus drivers suddenly putting their foot down, and *every time * the lights change there's a bus across in front of the lights ahead of you.

That roundabout takes a certain level of skill to navigate at the best of times. The number of times that cars take the wrong lane and then try to cut across you to turn left up Cheltenham Rd.

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