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Edinburgh inches towards 20mph limits on most city streets - but Conservatives still say 'bad idea'

Widespread support for limits in public consultation - but rows contuniue over whether it's really safer...

The city of Edinburgh is edging ever closer to a 20mph speed limit on most roads, which would make it the first city in Scotland to do so.

The local authority this week produced detailed plans of the large scale changes, with approval next week contingent on them becoming law by later this year.

A consultation last year found around 60% of people supporting the changes, and Sustrans has given explicit support.

Six cyclists have been killed in road accidents in the city over the last five years.

Oppostion however comes from the Conservative portion of the city council, which said it was a “bad idea”.

The whole of the city centre and many other major routes are included in the plans, with only Queensferry Road, London Road and the West Approach Road, along with Minto Street and Dalkeith Road remaining 30mph.

Cllr Hinds told the Scotsman: “Edinburgh is taking a very bold step in introducing slower speeds for so much of its roads, and we’re aware that other cities in Scotland are watching our example keenly.

“There’s obviously a lot of work to be done to raise public awareness between now and the first new limits coming into ­effect.

“It’s undoubtedly a culture change for the whole city.

“Support for 20mph limits was already high before the pilot began but it increased even more once people tried out the slower speeds in practice.”

The cycling campaign group Spokes told road.cc: "What we would now like is for the Scot Govt to change the rules such that 20mph becomes the default speed limit in urban areas, with councils having the power to adopt some roads as 30 or 40, rather than the reverse situation as at present. 

"That would make for a consistent approach across the country."

But Scottish Conservative transport spokesman Alex Johnstone said: “Blanket speed limits are a bad idea, because it means drivers don’t know in which areas it is most important to drive slowly.

“Speed limits must be variable, they have to reflect the conditions and surroundings of the road.

“That way, motorists are in no doubt that when driving past schools, these 20mph limits have to be observed.

“The job of the council should be to make it easier for people to get about town, not more ­difficult.”

Limits of 30mph and 40mph will be maintained on key arteries.

A 2010 Department for Transport study looked at how likely a pedestrian was to die from a collision at various speeds. It found that the risk of a fatality rose from under 1% at an impact speed of 20mph to 5.5% at 30mph .

Above 30mph risk increased very substantially, to over 30% at an impact speed of 40mph.

Following the pilot scheme last year, a report from the Transport and Environment Committee of Edinburgh City Council found that people felt safer, and that cycling and walking journeys had risen by 5 per cent and 7 per cent respectively, while car trips fell by 3 per cent.

The percentage of children riding a bike to school rose threefold from 4 per cent to 12 per cent, and by a factor of seven among older primary age pupils, up from 3 per cent to 21 per cent. The proportion of parents willing to let their children play outside more than doubled from 31 per cent to 66 per cent.

Extensive 20mph areas exist in cities including Oxford, Portsmouth and Brighton & Hove and in London Boroughs including Islington.

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Kim | 9 years ago
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The Tories have been promising to repeal the laws of physics, on the grounds that are inconvenient red tape, for years,it is about time they got on with it!

Of course 20mph is safer than 30mph, every city that has tried lower speed limits has found that the collision rate was reduced. It is just ideological nonsense for a political party to suggest otherwise.

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oldmixte | 9 years ago
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Here in Bristol our magical mayor has introduced 20mph limits not just on residential streets but on the main arterial roads and the industrial areas where there aren't many children playing and trying to drive at 20mph is a nightmare with 4x4s up my arse. From observation very few obey the limit when the traffic is light.

It's a pity he doesn't sort out the pedestrian crossing traffic lights instead of promoting grand schemes few people want. At many lights you wait to cross with the red man showing with no traffic in sight, then just as you are shown the green man the traffic arrives and has to stop. The lights benefit no one but who cares when he can say he has made the place safer even if he hasn't.

And of course when I am in my car I spend more time checking my speed than I do looking at the road and watching out for cyclists. My bike is a lot less hassle.

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tarquin_foxglove replied to oldmixte | 9 years ago
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OldMixte wrote:

And of course when I am in my car I spend more time checking my speed than I do looking at the road and watching out for cyclists.

TBH I'd prefer the drivers with poor speed control "constantly checking" their speed at 20mph rather than at 30 or 40mph.  3

Seriously though, it is just about getting used to it. Once you know what 20mph feels like in your car, you'll be able to stick to it without referring to your speedo.

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darrenleroy replied to oldmixte | 9 years ago
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OldMixte wrote:

Here in Bristol our magical mayor has introduced 20mph limits not just on residential streets but on the main arterial roads and the industrial areas where there aren't many children playing and trying to drive at 20mph is a nightmare with 4x4s up my arse. From observation very few obey the limit when the traffic is light.

It's a pity he doesn't sort out the pedestrian crossing traffic lights instead of promoting grand schemes few people want. At many lights you wait to cross with the red man showing with no traffic in sight, then just as you are shown the green man the traffic arrives and has to stop. The lights benefit no one but who cares when he can say he has made the place safer even if he hasn't.

And of course when I am in my car I spend more time checking my speed than I do looking at the road and watching out for cyclists. My bike is a lot less hassle.

I hope more people in Bristol feel their bike is a lot less hassle and start using it instead of the car.

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hampstead_bandit | 9 years ago
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20 mph limits are public relations b.s. unless actually enforced by police.

We've had the 20 mph limit in LB Camden, London for 2+ years and its not enforced, local police commander admitted this in interview with local newspaper.

Bad joke really? Looks nice in principle...

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harrybav | 9 years ago
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They're planning to remove bus lanes except in peak hours. That's a major step back, way bigger than the unenforced 20mph thing.

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mad_scot_rider | 9 years ago
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All utterly pointless unless Police Scotland acutally *enforce* the 20mph limit

Large parts of Glasgow are already 20mph and it is never enforced

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giff77 replied to mad_scot_rider | 9 years ago
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mad_scot_rider wrote:

All utterly pointless unless Police Scotland acutally *enforce* the 20mph limit

Large parts of Glasgow are already 20mph and it is never enforced

Aye, except Polis Scotland have already stated that they have no intention of enforcing this (article in the Herald couple of weeks ago) as they have more important things to be doing. Though the avg speed in Edinburgh is already below 20mph though ironically on the roads that retain the 30/40 limit. The rat runs will continue to be unpoliced and lives will continue to be put at risk. One can only hope that motorists will perceive that there is a risk that a fine on points will be slapped on them IF caught and keep their speed down.

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seven replied to giff77 | 9 years ago
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giff77 wrote:
mad_scot_rider wrote:

All utterly pointless unless Police Scotland acutally *enforce* the 20mph limit

Aye, except Polis Scotland have already stated that they have no intention of enforcing this (article in the Herald couple of weeks ago) as they have more important things to be doing.

That might be true in Glasgow, however I believe Edinburgh Council has plans to fund a certain number of police officers under an SLA which will see Polis Scotland enforcing 20mph in Edinburgh.

Whether that actually happens of course remains to be seen. Polis Scotland are a law unto themselves, and CEC don't exactly have a track record of delivering what they promise, never mind what they plan to maybe perhaps provide at some indeterminate point as part of sweetening the proposition when it's still at the consultation stage.

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