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Councillor hits out as cycling campaigner hit with £50 fine for moving out of cyclist area of shared use path

A cyclist who strayed into the pedestrian side of a shared use path has been fined £50 by a police officer.

Kristian Gregory, of the Croydon Cycling Campaign, was riding along the New Kent Road on Thursday morning when he was stopped by the officer who asked him why he was not riding on the cycle path. 

Responding that the path was shared use, Kristian is then told that he is in fact on the footpath.

As seen on helmet camera footage Kristian points out that the ‘cycle path’ is blocked at one point by a telephone box which he is forced to move into the footpath to avoid, but the officer is unswayed by his protests that he is making the best of a very bad situation and a Fixed Penalty Notice is issued. It would also seem to be impossible for cyclists to reach the crossing seen at the end of the footage without also crossing the footpath.

 

According to the Highway Code, when using segregated tracks cyclists must keep to the side intended for cyclists as the pedestrian side remains a pavement or footpath.

Cllr Mark Williams, Southwark's cabinet member for regeneration, planning and transport, told the SE1 website:

"Although this is not a Southwark Council managed road, we've already contacted the police asking them to review enforcement action on this stretch as cyclists are forced to cross the pavement to get safely across the New Kent Road.

"We want to encourage and increase the number of cyclists in Southwark, but need to get the balance right between what looks like overzealous action in this case and the safety of others on roads and pavements.

"I am also asking Transport for London to look urgently at the design of the cycle path on the New Kent Road which appears to be the cause of these problems.

"This highlights how we need better design for cyclists across London, which is why we are leading the way by bringing in Danish and Dutch experts to help come up with the best and safest solutions to get more people to cycle and significantly reduce casualties at the same time."

Kristian said: "When the FPN for cycling on the pavement was introduced, the minister responsible at the time, Paul Boateng stated:

 'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other pavement users.

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"Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road.

"Sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.



"I agree that the police should be using discretion in enforcing this law and would support Paul Boeteng's original guidance."

After an unpromising start, having to be bribed by her parents to learn to ride without stabilisers, Sarah became rather keener on cycling in her university years, and was eventually persuaded to upgrade to proper road cycling by the prospect of a shiny red Italian bike, which she promptly destroyed by trapping a pair of knickers in the rear derailleur. Sarah writes about about cycling every weekend on road.cc.

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fatbeggaronabike [815 posts] 2 years ago
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georgee [162 posts] 2 years ago
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Plastic pigs doing a hashed job of traffic enforcement shocker!

As good as the one in dirty tooting this week ignoring all blocking the ASL and driving into the blocked yellow hatched box. Or the motorbike copper ignoring some gypsy who kept cutting into the bus lane without any indicating almost clipping cyclists on cs7

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darrenleroy [212 posts] 2 years ago
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While I agree with your sentiments I don't agree with your choice of negative descriptive terms. How do you know the motorist was a gypsy? Was he in a waistcoat and colourful neckerchief, driving a painted wagon with horses?

There is something wrong with being stopped by a bloke who has a position of authority whose grasp of English is so poor he says 'yeah' at the end of every sentence in a bid to add verification to his statement.

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bikez [2 posts] 2 years ago
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'Sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required' Wow that's an oxymoron for sure. Seems like a 'witch hunt' going on here.

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Sub5orange [96 posts] 2 years ago
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That officer is pedantic. Cannot believe anyone would issue a ticket for this. He was probably trying to get to his weekly target of fixed penalty notices. The way he comes across, he probably achieves his target in one morning, relaxing the rest of the week.

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darrenleroy [212 posts] 2 years ago
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Don't PCSO's have to pass some kind of fitness test? He looks very out of shape. I wonder if he even knows how to ride a bike?

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chris4567 [27 posts] 2 years ago
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That cycle way is terrible. As well as the phone box it runs in front of the door of a church. The other stretch of the NKR cycle way is almost as good! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234234/Sign-times-The-cycle-pat...

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Big Softy [23 posts] 2 years ago
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Sod the fitness test, that moron PCSO couldn't even pass an intelligence test.
What an officious prick!

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indyjukebox [48 posts] 2 years ago
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I cycle/walk that path most days. The cycle way is pretty poor and does have a phone box in the middle. However cyclists do tend to stray all over the pavement and more than once I have been covered with wheel spray thanks to inconsiderate cyclists that swerve around you and cover you with road muck. When you are trying to make a meeting in your suit or work clothes it is quite irritating. The offenders are usually the supermaket/Halfords hybrid riding crowd.

Saying that, this particular fellow seems to have adhered to the path till the very end when he seems to be trying to overtake the slower cycle in from of him.

That bit of road I hate as it terminates with you being flung into the road with no safety measures of any kind. it is better to cycle on the bus lane in the main road.

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darrenleroy [212 posts] 2 years ago
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There should be an intelligence, fitness and language test, although I have a suspicion this might interfere with the Met's obsession with creating a happy, smiley-multi-national police service that reflects the 'wonderful diversity' of the nation's capital. I'd rather just have decent PCSOs who aren't like the moron in this video.

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Khas01 [4 posts] 2 years ago
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Oh I only wish plod applied same due diligence against law breakers In motorised vehicles on the roads.

Surely to park 2 officers to collect against this serious antisocial crime is not in the public interest when so many real crimes are left unpunished.

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benclark88 [12 posts] 2 years ago
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I've always just ridden in the bus lane on this road - not perfect, but I would rather be in a fairly empty bus lane than in a tiny bike lane, 20ft from the road, up against a wall.

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Beaufort [270 posts] 2 years ago
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Naughty person on bike should know better than to be naughty.

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georgee [162 posts] 2 years ago
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darrenleroy wrote:

While I agree with your sentiments I don't agree with your choice of negative descriptive terms. How do you know the motorist was a gypsy? Was he in a waistcoat and colourful neckerchief, driving a painted wagon

Rusty transit, double axel caravan behind it with all the seats covered in clear polythene and a load of lead from a church roof on his passenger seat.

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hampstead_bandit [614 posts] 2 years ago
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I've noticed a heavy police prescence on London streets the past few weeks during my morning and evening commutes. Typically this is 3-4 officers standing at junctions.

Been totally unimpressed by their lack of action during numerous instances of motorists, buses and motorbikes jumping red lights and parking in the ASL next to cyclists!

The police seem more interested in talking to each other than doing anything... An empty exercise and waste of tax payer money.

The frustrating thing for cyclists suffering the total disregard other road users have for the ASL is that its a criminal offence but can only be brought against road users when directly witnessed by police.

The quicker TFL get this decriminalised and turned into an automatic camera penalty perhaps the ASL might eventually be fit for purpose as its a f*cking joke in London at the moment!

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Paul J [884 posts] 2 years ago
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Wow, road.cc: This article needs a "Dislike: Author is having a bout judgemental, intolerant cock moment" button added to the comments (georgee to a certain extent, then darrenleroy's comment which is pretty much "WTF?!" level racist).

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Critchio [176 posts] 2 years ago
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Things like this really annoy me like you wouldn't believe. That PCSO is a complete and utter twat for issuing a ticket in those circumstances. I would like to think this vid is pointed out to him by his colleagues and maybe even his bosses that I hoped squirmed like hell when they saw it and told him themselves he was a twat.

PCSO's are a complete waste of taxpayers money and they should not be allowed to issue tickets period. Hopefully their numbers will continue to dwindle till there's none left. People like this idiot do not help with the public's confidence in the Police Service.

I hope the guy who got the ticket challenges it and shows the video in court. Where are all the foot pedestrians that were put at unecessary risk? Feckin idiots

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Chris [157 posts] 2 years ago
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I like the way the PCSO makes the cyclist stand with him in the cycle path, forcing the next riders that come past out onto the footpath. Good thinking.

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Stubuoy [1 post] 2 years ago
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he was in a pedestrian zone, he got a fine, good, get over it. If you don't like the cycle path man up and get on the road where we should be.
if we are bullied my motorist this is what we turn into, we bully, pedestrians, dog walkers, even pcsos, that makes us just as bad and un educated as the next fat taxi driver.
join me, guys, all need to:
get back on the road
Get in lane
get insurance
get a helmet
get bright, get lights
get signalling
get off the cycle path, out of the gutter
get back britains roads from the motorists

you know it makes sense, we will live longer after all

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A V Lowe [575 posts] 2 years ago
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The PCSO's are standing on a section of shared footway, as indicated by the sign on the reverse of the no cycling sign - on the pole behind them, and just before the traffic signals is a banner sign indicating that the cycle route returns to the carriageway across the space in which the PCSO's are standing (in the way of cyclists using the cycle route).

It does indicate the imbecilic design where a telephone box sits in the line of the cycle path which simply stops either side of it - with no warning of an obstruction that could easily be ridden into (waiting for a claim?). Then where the path ends the banner sign indicates 2 90 degree turns - clueless that bikes do not make 90 degree turns on the spot.

10 other cyclists appear to make exactly the same move with no reaction from either officer, and an eleventh one carries on past the no cycling sign - again with no reaction. from the officers.

This seems a particularly selective piece of policing, and certainly does the reputation of PCSO's no good at all.

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Some Fella [890 posts] 2 years ago
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It may just be me being a bit of a belligerent tw@ but if a PCSO, who have limited powers of arrest, were to stop me in this situation i would tell them to kindly do one and ride off at great speed giggling with a cry of 'You'll never take me alive copper!"
What is Chief Wiggum going to do? Chase you? This fella certainly isnt up to the job to a high speed chase on foot.
Silly twerps - what a fucking waste of time and resources.
Pathetic, and they should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

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racyrich [254 posts] 2 years ago
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As I understand it you don't have to accept a fixed penalty notice. That's an admission of guilt. I'd have said 'see you in court'. I'll take the chance it costs me 2 days' pay - fine and lost earnings.

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Beatnik69 [320 posts] 2 years ago
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There was a post on Youtube recently where a guy refused to take a fixed penalty from a peeler and ran rings round him with legalese (though I think he had actually been in the wrong). If I can find the link I'll post it.

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Beatnik69 [320 posts] 2 years ago
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Dunks517 [44 posts] 2 years ago
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That slovenly excuse for a PCSO shuffling with his hands in his pockets would have been politely told to fuck off by myself.

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Cyclist [295 posts] 2 years ago
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I would of just ridden off.

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keith_newnham [73 posts] 2 years ago
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This is just moronic!! Maybe they should fine pedestrians who stray (Walk the entire length) in cycle lanes. The guy was just trying to overtake a slower cyclist (who was riding in the wrong lane of the cycle path), and also why did they do nothing about the (at least) 2 others that did exactly the same thing, and 1 that continued past the No Cycling sign?!! Complete muppets!!

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Yorkshie Whippet [530 posts] 2 years ago
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Lights blue touch paper and wait to be flamed!

The Plod is correct, the footage clearly shows a departure from the lane to avoid the slower cyclist, this was maintained by going to the right of the signpost and the double sign. Before taking the line of desire to the crossing point. And that's after the phone box.

There also seems to be cyclist moving quickly on the road.

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spen [127 posts] 2 years ago
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That has to be jut a bout the worst cycle path in the coutry. Who on earth thought it was a good idea to put a lane hard up against a brick wall?

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toothache90 [39 posts] 2 years ago
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PCSO are just glorified traffic wardens. Agree just refuse to accept or give any of your details. They can only detain you for 30 mins from the time they have called a real constable to arrive. After 30 mins had expired if constable has not arrived you're Free to go about your business.

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