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York cycle commuter films red light jumping, pavement riding… jacket changing cyclists

Cyclists’ helmet cam videos of reckless road users behaving badly or breaking the law are a Youtube staple, but here’s one with a difference those caught on camera are cyclists and it ends with a truly spectacular demonstration of how not to take your jacket off while cycling.

York Cyclists Episode 1, shot over a three week period was posted to Youtube on April 1st ago by a long time cycle commuter calling himself CarefulCyclist, but it's no joke.

Red light jumping, pavement cycling, red light jumping, riding no handed, red light jumping, texting while cycling, phoning while cycling and red light jumping (a bit like Groundhog Day) are all here.

It’s a catalogue of the sort of behaviour that irritates and angers other road users and that divides opinion amongst cyclists between those who believe that the rules of the road apply to everyone and those who say they are the product of a car-centric approach to traffic management and that as long as no-one is harmed the independent minded cyclist should be free to ignore them. Watch the video and judge for yourself. 

“Cyclists are taking more risks”, CarefulCyclist told YorkMix explaining his reason for posting his films to Youtube: “I hope the families of those cyclists will see what those cyclists are doing, putting themselves and other road users at risk and prevent them.

“The cyclists involved should stop and think, is this risk I am taking worth it?”
He also explained why he started filming his journeys.

“I have, on a number of occasions nearly been hit by inattentive or poor drivers. if you combine poor driving with reckless cycling more and more people are going to get injured. Some fatally.”

He described those riding badly as “a small proportion of repeat offenders, I see the same faces over and over again.

“Young men seem prepared to take the greatest risks, but all types of road users flout the Highway Code.

“I see cyclists running red lights, weaving in and out of traffic, but even the most minor indiscretions like cycling on the pavement can have potentially severe consequences if the cyclist is in collision with someone elderly or a child.
“Pedestrians have been killed by cyclists.”

While some of the cycling on display is certainly of the eye-brow raising variety some may also raise an eyebrow at the inclusion of a woman using her mobile phone while cycling along a near empty bike path - on the other hand the chap briefly glimpsed riding no handed on the pavement was lucky a hapless pedestrian didn’t step out of a doorway.

The penultimate incident would seem to be an example of both rider and driver inattention although had things played out differently it is certainly the cyclist who would have paid the higher price, and that last crash? Well, according to CarefulCyclist the man got up afterwards apparently unharmed.

While his film highlights some risk taking individual in his conversation with YorkMix CarefulCyclist reserves some of the blame for poor cycling infrastructure too:

“Some of the cycling infrastructure is poorly designed and poorly maintained, cycle lanes are too narrow and sometimes bring road users in to conflict”.

The recklessness of York’s drivers and pedestrians are the subjects of his next two videos.

Plucked from the obscurity of his London commute back in the mid-Nineties to live in Bath and edit bike mags our man made the jump to the interweb back in 2006 as launch editor of a large cycling website somewhat confusingly named after a piece of navigational equipment. He came up with the idea for road.cc mainly to avoid being told what to do… Oh dear, issues there then. Tony tries to ride his bike every day and if he doesn't he gets grumpy, he likes carbon, but owns steel, and wants titanium. When not on his bike or eating cake Tony spends his time looking for new ways to annoy the road.cc team. He's remarkably good at it.

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themartincox [514 posts] 2 years ago
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Worth it just for the last clip!

brilliant

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OldRidgeback [2632 posts] 2 years ago
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The bit of the guy taking off his jacket is rather droll. Bet he won't do that again in a hurry. Red light running isn't wise on a bicycle in busy traffic either. But I have to say, hopping a kerb and using the pavement when there isn't anyone around harms no one. Several of those clips shows show cyclists avoiding having to wait by using the pavement and in several, there are no pedestrians. So exactly who was at risk there? As it happens I recognised the junction from when I last stayed in York too and it is a busy one at peak times. Hopping a kerb there when there are no pedestrians reduces congestion for motorists as well as cutting journey times and also reduces risk, as long as there are no pedestrians around.

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cyclingDMlondon [504 posts] 2 years ago
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OldRidgeback wrote:

The bit of the guy taking off his jacket is rather droll. Bet he won't do that again in a hurry. Red light running isn't wise on a bicycle in busy traffic either. But I have to say, hopping a kerb and using the pavement when there isn't anyone around harms no one. Several of those clips shows show cyclists avoiding having to wait by using the pavement and in several, there are no pedestrians. So exactly who was at risk there? As it happens I recognised the junction from when I last stayed in York too and it is a busy one at peak times. Hopping a kerb there when there are no pedestrians reduces congestion for motorists as well as cutting journey times and also reduces risk, as long as there are no pedestrians around.

Yes, and doing 180 mph in your Porsche on an empty motorway should be allowed, too. After all, who is at risk?

Any law student quickly learns that there are 'conduct offences', and 'result offences'. The former is complete as soon as the action is taken (with the appropriate mens rea if appropriate). Running red lights comes into that category. It doesn't matter who is at risk, or who isn't at risk. It is illegal, end of bloody story.

As I asked a guy a while back, who had gone through a red light on his bicycle (I still caught up with him): 'mate, have you ever wondered why drivers hate us?'

'No..? he replied.

'Because of stupid c***s like you,' I answered.

(not 100% true, as I've posted before, but not acting like prize twats on bicycles, would go some way to repairing the damage)

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sim1515 [141 posts] 2 years ago
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OldRidgeback wrote:

But I have to say, hopping a kerb and using the pavement when there isn't anyone around harms no one. Several of those clips shows show cyclists avoiding having to wait by using the pavement and in several, there are no pedestrians. So exactly who was at risk there? As it happens I recognised the junction from when I last stayed in York too and it is a busy one at peak times. Hopping a kerb there when there are no pedestrians reduces congestion for motorists as well as cutting journey times and also reduces risk, as long as there are no pedestrians around.

Unfortunately it's against the law and annoys onlookers (drivers, other cyclists, pedestrians) which give some idiots ammunition for saying cyclists shouldn't be on the road blah blah blah.
It's quite hard to judge the risk to others, what if someone was near the junction or walking towards it or someone stepped out of a doorway, my view is just to wait, like everyone else, for the light to change, that way there would be no ambiguity. How much time are you really going to save?

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AyBee [85 posts] 2 years ago
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That last clip is hilarious- what did he think was going to happen?

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Jimmy Ray Will [486 posts] 2 years ago
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I disagree... behaving like dutiful little subservients will do absolutely nothing to change the perception car drivers have of cyclists.

Not that I am condoning action shown in this film.

To me, other peoples behaviour on a bike should not bear any relation to how drivers behave towards me when I am on a bike.

Reference the examples shown... there were some out and out shockers in there granted, but equally, a lot were demonstrative of nothing more than potentially irritating behaviour to a minority of already frustrated road users... safety was not an issue.

Picking up on the Porsche analogy.... 180mph will always be unsafe simply because at that speed, you can not possibly react in time to hazards when they come into view.... to make the analogy work in line with many of the examples shown (not including most of the RLJumpers) it would be the same as saying driving at 80mph on an empty motorway is illegal and should never be done end of story...

Yes you're right it is illegal, but I'd love to know the percentage of UK drivers who have never reached this speed... I can not imagine it is very high at all.

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P3t3 [279 posts] 2 years ago
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What is this supposed to help?

All the videos do is confirm the confirmation bias that all cyclists ride on the pavement and jump red lights.

The left turn on red featured many times on the first video is an example of a junction crying out for a left filter for bikes so they can perform the manoeuvre legally. Enough measures like this would encourage more cyclists and do a lot to help York's chronic traffic problems.

The author's assertion that cyclists are taking more risks is also likely to be his confirmation bias....

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cyclingDMlondon [504 posts] 2 years ago
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Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

Picking up on the Porsche analogy.... 180mph will always be unsafe simply because at that speed, you can not possibly react in time to hazards when they come into view....

No, 180 mph is 80 m/s. On a straight, deserted motorway, you still have time to brake and stop.

But that's not the point. It's illegal, just as going through red lights is illegal.

If I criticise car drivers and motorcyclists for going through red lights, then I can't do it. Not without being a hypocritical bas*ard, at any rate.

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bikebot [2015 posts] 2 years ago
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It's terrible that we often find the pain and suffering of others hilarious. I've been watching the last clip (jacket guy) repeatedly for the lat ten minutes to try to understand why this is  24

Try the silly cyclists series on youtube for more of the same thing in London. Ride safe, and try not to be the cycling version of an Audi driver.

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Joelsim [1975 posts] 2 years ago
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Red light jumping really irritates the general public. Do a straw poll of people in your office and see how many times it comes up.

Red light jumping is counter-productive to cycling.

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notfastenough [3709 posts] 2 years ago
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The problem with breaking the law "when there isn't anyone around" is that it's subjective and changeable. There isn't anyone around unless they simply weren't seen or until suddenly, there is.

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HarrogateSpa [382 posts] 2 years ago
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Some of the behaviour in the video is silly.

That said, the person filming doesn't cover themselves in glory by pointing at the other cyclists and yelling 'wrong way' and 'one way street'. He's correct, but it's still sanctimonious and irritating.

This guy is setting himself up as some sort of enforcer of moral standards. Given that, it's morally dubious to add the last clip -of the chap falling off his bike. It's not much more than a Jeremy Beadle moment (albeit a good one), which gives us the opportunity to laugh at the cyclist involved. I doubt the cyclist will repeat the trick, I think he's probably learned his lesson without needing a Youtube video to point it out.

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Mr Agreeable [172 posts] 2 years ago
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Some pretty shocking riding on display there, but...

“Pedestrians have been killed by cyclists.”

Yes... about one a year on average. As Martin Porter QC notes, it's roughly the same number of people killed or injured annually by golf balls, and has the same irresistible novelty factor as far as local media are concerned.

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sim1515 [141 posts] 2 years ago
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Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

I disagree... behaving like dutiful little subservients will do absolutely nothing to change the perception car drivers have of cyclists.

Not that I am condoning action shown in this film.

To me, other peoples behaviour on a bike should not bear any relation to how drivers behave towards me when I am on a bike.

It isn't so much behaving like "dutiful little subservients", it's obeying the highway code and the law. Lots of cyclists love quoting the highway code when it suits them (myself included), riding two abreast, getting overtaken properly etc. I'm not saying we should "get our house in order", but I'm saying that if someone wants to quote the highway code at motorists, they should obey it themselves or should be called a hypocrite.

I don't like the fact other peoples behaviour makes drivers hate me, I think it's ridiculous, but it's a fact none the less, it happens. As so many have said, motorists seeing a minority of cyclists jumping lights gives us all a bad name as some people can't grasp that we can't affect other cyclists' actions.

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md6 [181 posts] 2 years ago
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I can't stop laughing at the last clip. its just brilliant. and reminds me why i always pull over to take a jacket off or put one on...  21

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PedallingTom [7 posts] 2 years ago
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The key problem I have with other cyclists abusing the traffic laws is every time they do it in front of other road users those road users lose a little bit of respect for cyclists. That loss of respect makes them less likely to give cyclists a few more inches of room when they pass us. This is the reason it makes a difference. You might get to your destination quicker but somewhere down the line one of the drivers who saw you go through a red might just knock a cyclist off their bike and into the path of another vehicle.

The vehicles cyclists have the most problems with are the inconsiderate ones; the ones in a hurry and the ones who are oblivious to the other road users. The cyclists other road users have the most problems with are the inconsiderate ones. Don't be part of the problem.

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northstar [1108 posts] 2 years ago
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None of them were "behaving badly", they all found a solution, you just found somebody who seems to be a very angry person at the wrong people.

Have i come across the daily heil here?

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Simmo72 [609 posts] 2 years ago
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Mixed views. I do feel the head cam is generating becoming a bit bike nazi. Every day you see crap drivers, the same applies to bikes, what is different.

I occasionally ride on the pavement at certain pinch points - for safety - Ride safely and with consideration, what is the problem?

Riding non handed - I do it all the time -when safe- as I need to stretch a knackered spine. I am good at riding non handed, those that moan about are usually poor bike handlers.

Jacket man - quality, what a turnip, watch dem sleeves!

Red light jumpers, I would happily batter you to death with my carbon soles. high proportion of skinny jeaned hipster, fixie bunglec**ts seem to be the culprits

Wrong way down the one way - you sir are an arse. I have slapped someone for doing this

How much worse is using a mobile to fiddling with your poxy garmin?

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fancynancy [78 posts] 2 years ago
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I agree with the guy & standards of cycling need to improve. But like there are bad drivers, there are bad cyclists & this video is now on the Daily Mail website for everyone to rant & rave about road tax & "cyclists deserve what they get"... not a smart idea to post this vid...  20

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northstar [1108 posts] 2 years ago
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Oh look here's another brainwashed it seems:

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Wrong way down the one way - you sir are an arse. I have slapped someone for doing this

It's not illegal so step down off your phony perch, would you castigate someone for walking the "wrong way" down the "road"? No? Yes?.

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dafyddp [391 posts] 2 years ago
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Going through red is very black and white. When someone does, it's a very visible transgression, so no wonder it raises the heckles of everyone sitting patiently/legally at the lights. What's not so visible, are the countless cars that might be driving at 35-40 in a 30 zone. Equally illegal, but very difficult for the untrained eye (especially if they're in a moving car themselves) to detect. Most importantly, it's also far more lethal.

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crazy-legs [796 posts] 2 years ago
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The key problem I have with other cyclists abusing the traffic laws is every time they do it in front of other road users those road users lose a little bit of respect for cyclists. That loss of respect makes them less likely to give cyclists a few more inches of room when they pass us. This is the reason it makes a difference.

Sorry but I disagree. I don't "lose respect" for all motorists when I see one on a phone, speeding, RLJing, failing to indicate or any of the other thousands of misdemeanors that motorists commit daily. Do you "lose respect" for all pedestrians if you see one cross the road on a red man when there's nothing around?

If my actions don't impede theirs, don't have an effect on their day then it's no concern of theirs. Most of the pavement riding and RLJing in that video was done safely and with consideration to the prevailing conditions. In fact the reason they are doing it in the first place suggests that the infrastructure/junction design is too shit to properly and safely cater for cyclists.
The reason you can do it on a bike is cos you're effectively an upwardly mobile pedestrian. Cars can't do it (or bloody shouldn't) for the simple reason that they're too big. The fact that I can safely jump a light and get out of the way doesn't make the blindest bit of difference to the driver stuck 5 cars back.

To be honest, him posting that video is yet another step back for the cycling campaign, another excuse for every Daily Mail reading mouth-breather to have a go (while simultaneously ignoring the hundreds of deaths per year caused by drivers or the general atrocious driving standards in this country).

But the jacket guy was very funny.  21

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BetterNever [11 posts] 2 years ago
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Is this really someone complaining about cyclists in York? Honestly, after having moved here from Bristol 6 months ago, cyclists here behave like saints, which says a lot considering how crap most of the infrastructure is.

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willythepimp [88 posts] 2 years ago
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Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

C.S. Lewis

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paulfg42 [392 posts] 2 years ago
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northstar wrote:

None of them were "behaving badly", they all found a solution, you just found somebody who seems to be a very angry person at the wrong people.

Have i come across the daily heil here?

Not even the guy who failed to notice the car indicating left and almost got himself crushed?

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userfriendly [578 posts] 2 years ago
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Simmo72 wrote:

Mixed views. I do feel the head cam is generating becoming a bit bike nazi. Every day you see crap drivers, the same applies to bikes, what is different.

The difference is crap drivers kill people a lot. Crap cyclists get killed and then get the blame for it. I know I'm probably not going to get much agreement, but in my view the responsibility not to kill a cyclist - even a crappy one that allegedly appeared "from nowhere" - still rests with the driver.

Reason: it's convenient to forget this, but there is such a thing as safe stopping distance, which varies depending on your speed. The vast majority of drivers, even those otherwise decent and considerate, simply cannot be bothered to allow for said safe stopping distance between themselves and the rest of the traffic.

Unless the "crap cyclist" literally teleports him- or herself right in front of your car, you are still responsible for not killing them no matter how crappy their riding was.

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Leodis [405 posts] 2 years ago
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I notice this numptie who says anything when right on top of the cyclist giving them no chance to respond, I'd tell the tit to eff off.

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pmanc [203 posts] 2 years ago
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Clearly some people feel quite strongly both ways. For my money, very few people were doing a great deal of harm here. Random thoughts.

- Jacket guy was foolish and learnt his lesson. Ouch.
- 1:49 red light jumper was one of the biggest examples of behaving recklessly. He is an idiot.
- The recently confirmed home office advice makes it clear that pavement cycling shouldn't be considered an offence if no pedestrians are in harm's way and the cyclist is doing it out of fear of busy traffic - I think most examples here could argue that defence, so where's the big deal?
- I can understand why drivers aren't allowed to use mobiles while driving, but pedestrians are absolutely allowed to use them while walking and therefore I really don't think the phone users away from a road are a big issue.
- In many countries cyclists get a free left on a red light (or a right, depending on the country). It's not a big deal.
- No-hands-guy was nowhere near any doorways, and wasn't going that fast. Get over it.
- At 2:29 the DRIVER was turning without checking; yes you should take care but srsly, blaming the cyclist?

CarefulCyclist is a sanctimonious wally. Judging all cyclists on the perceived misbehaviour of a few miscreants is prejudice, and prejudice is ugly, but CarefulCyclist, road.cc, and some commenters here fuel that prejudice and are complicit. The day I consider that the legislation and the infrastructure affords cyclists the respect and protection they deserve, I will have a lot more respect for the letter of the law.

I'm also surprised, and less than impressed that road.cc considers this news.

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P3t3 [279 posts] 2 years ago
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dafyddp wrote:

Going through red is very black and white.

I think you mean green and red... with a bit of orange in between.

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P3t3 [279 posts] 2 years ago
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dafyddp wrote:

Going through red is very black and white.

I think you mean green and red... with a bit of orange in between.

Black and white is zebra crossings...

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