Been involved in a road crash in Manchester? Your police commissioner wants to know what you think of his force

How did GMP handle the aftermath of your crash?

by John Stevenson   April 9, 2014  

Operation Grimaldi (picture Greater Manchester Police)

Greater Manchester police and crime commissioner Tony Lloyd wants to know what cyclists who’ve been involved in a crash think of his force’s performance.

The commissioner has set up an online survey to collect opinions and experiences of cyclists. However, it’s tightly focused on police response to road traffic collisions, and not looking for more general comments on the policing of cycling in Greater Manchester.

The survey even provides a police definition of a collision:

A road traffic collision (RTC) is when a motor vehicle is involved in a collision on a road or in a car park open to the public, where someone else's property or vehicle is damaged, or any person or animal is injured.

User Alfred Chow suggested the survey should have broader scope. He wrote: “There is far too much ‘acceptance’ by the public and the police of poor driving that puts other road users at risks. This needs to be recorded and responded to to raise the overall standard of driving by all motor vehicle users.”

Introducing the survey, Tony Lloyd said: “By listening to the views of people and organisations, I want to know more about your experiences as a cyclist and get a snapshot of the service provided to cyclists by Greater Manchester Police when a collision occurs.”

Greater Manchester’s policing of cycling road safety has come in for criticism recently as its Operation Grimaldi initiative was seen as unfairly targeting cyclists.

Operation Grimaldi — tellingly named for a famous clown — was initially aimed only at cyclists. Police issued 415 fixed penalty notices to riders over 10 days of action spread across five months (February to June 2013) for offences such as running red lights, not having lights fitted, cycling on footpaths and using mobile phones while cycling.

The initiative also tackled driver misbehaviour when it returned later in the year. Over three days in November, police issued 147 fixed penalty notices, 125 to cyclists.

London also saw a road safety initiative in 2013. Operation Safeway flooded the capital’s streets with police in the aftermath of six cyclists being killed in collisions with motor vehicles in less than two weeks in November. Police issued almost 14,000 fixed penalty notices or reports for summons. Motorists copped 9,733 of those, and cyclists 4,085.

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Complete waste of time, and thats just the Police commissioner.

In all honesty the public will put down what they feel and the commissioner will inevitably task a few cops to look into their comments and it will then fall away.

So more cops spending less time doing what they are supposed to do so that the commissioner looks good.

‘It is useless to meet revenge with revenge: it will heal nothing.’

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posted by stumps [2747 posts]
9th April 2014 - 10:24

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They could skip the survey and simply send out more patrol cars, pulling road users over for bad driving/cycling/whatever and fining them.

Then publicise what was done, why, and how to behave better to avoid getting fined or banned.

That'd actually make the roads safer.

posted by jacknorell [377 posts]
9th April 2014 - 10:50

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How did GMP handle the aftermath of my incident?

By hiding round a corner so I couldn't hear his radio conversation.
By not apologising.
By aggressively demanding *my* details.
By having a PCSO poke and squeeze my arm and leg*.
By handing me a scrap of paper with his surname and number scrawled in illegible handwriting and driving off.

*The PCSO did actually seem genuinely concerned for my well being and was probably doing her best.

I've also been punishment passed by a number of police vehicles very near to the junction and constantly watch police vehicles turn at the same junction without indicating putting people at risk.

If GMP can't even sort themselves out, how do they expect anyone to believe that they will deal with other incidents thoroughly or fairly?

posted by farrell [1443 posts]
9th April 2014 - 10:56

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I've only ever spoken to the police about an accident once.

I was hit from behind by a car at a roundabout... I tried on three separate occasions to log the incident but each time was fobbed off. Shocking really... I had video footage of the incident and went to hospital as a precaution but they just didn't want to know. The driver was uninsured (driving her family's car).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krGZJWpY_nQ

posted by dave2041 [22 posts]
9th April 2014 - 11:13

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