Video: [Updated] Police appeal for attacked rider to come forward after London confrontation turns violent

Let's be careful out there

by John Stevenson   January 24, 2014  

Farringdon altercation 1

We’ve all been tempted to give an earful to a driver who does something stupid, but as this helmet cam video shows, drivers who don’t care about the road rules sometimes carry passengers who have short tempers and poor impulse control.

[Update January 27] Police have appealed for the rider involved to come forward so that they can investigate the incident in which the rider remonstrates with a driver and is subsequently punched and knocked to the ground. According to the Evening Standard, a police spokesman said they were keen to speak to the cycle rage victim should he want to report the incident which happened at around 9.15am on Thursday in Farringdon Road, London.

In the comments on the video, the helmet cam rider George 'Jude' Hill says: “I have reported this to the police, I am trying to find the cyclist as I tried to tell him I had it on video, but he looked pretty dazed. Need him to report the incident in order to get prosecutions. Could you all share this as widely as possible to try and find him?”

In the video you see a white Audi stopped just outside the advanced stop box of a junction in Farringdon. George stops just behind the box, next to the car, and two other cyclists ride past him into the box.

The driver of the Audi then drives into the box. A rider in a black beanie pulls back from the stop line and shouts at the driver that this is a cycle area. When the lights change, the driver accelerates quickly away.

The rider in the beanie comes past George Hill and follows the white Audi. He is seen shouting at the driver at the next lights, calling him a “F*cking prick” and saying something that sounds like: “You ran over my f*cking foot mate.” (It's unclear from the video whether that is what happened.)

Hill rides past the altercation and by the time he turns round a man in a white shirt is standing next to the car, in front of the angry cyclist. You see him apparently attempt to punch the rider and then shove him, pushing him off his bike.

There’s more angry shouting as the rider picks himself up and gets back on his bike. The man in the white shirt then gets into the back of the Audi.

George attempts to get the rider’s attention but he rides away, back in the direction he’d come from.

As George implies, without a complaint from the rider who was hit the police are very unlikely to take action, despite the video.

In May last year the Mayor of London's cycling commissioner Andrew Gilligan pledged to start enforcing advanced stop lines, using CCTV cameras to catch infringers. He reiterated the point in August and during last year's Operation Safeway road safety crackdown, over 1,000 fixed penalty notices were issued to drivers for contravening traffic signals.

But we’ll leave the last word to YouTube commenter Jon: “Be safe out there, cyclists! Remember that you're dealing with angry idiots in 2 ton metal death machines.”

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That's like bad drivers saying all cyclist are unsafe. It's bad drivers not the car brand. Careful Cyclist, careful audi driver

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posted by dughs [13 posts]
25th January 2014 - 9:39

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The Audi driver was plainly wrong, the cyclists behaviour was stupid and seemingly as a result of an adrenaline dump and the passenger is by far the worst of the three. There is a case for the police to intervene here.

Regardless I'm disappointed to see the confrontational remarks on here though it is somewhat understandable. Cyclists have very little recourse and the police seemingly treat us as second class citizens. This really feeds into the us and them mentality.

However I think that almost all media fuels this - the BBC made an awful contribution with the pseudo documentary "The War on Britains Roads", which practically invited viewers to choose sides - but should this be so widely reportedly the cycling press?

I always question why Road.cc makes these type of videos headlines on their site - the number of comments shows that it's clearly a popular piece but does it further the cause of cycling? I see far fewer articles about how to ride safely in traffic.

Perhaps it is valid to report on this but how often do you see a low level assault reported elsewhere without a bicycle involved? Clearly there are riders on here who have an ingrained hatred of cars, which is as dumb as a blanket hatred of cyclists - I suspect that the prominent reporting of these types of incident will only fuel that and maybe convert others as well.

I really wonder how much this divisive reporting plays into this type of incident.

JaseCD

posted by jasecd [246 posts]
25th January 2014 - 10:12

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*** Another bullshit topic for Jeremy Vine ***

If this video was posted on a non-cycling based website, I think 95% of the 'general public' would say the cyclist was to blame, daily mail readers might nudge that percentage up further

I wonder if the cyclist would have acted the same way if someone had accidentally spilt his pint in a pub......

The cyclist was actively aggressive, the car occupant passively aggressive. Either way, if the cyclist hadn't been so vocal none of this would have happened. Make your own mind up......

posted by caaad10 [155 posts]
25th January 2014 - 10:46

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It strikes me as completely hypocritical by the powers that be and the mass media, that there is a complete uproar when some one calls someone a name on social media or cyber bullying. IMO what is this sort of action whereby vehicle drivers deliberately intimidate other vulnerable road users if it is not bullying.
It is time the Government, councils, court and the Police pull their fingers from out of their arses and start doing what we all pay them to do and that is to enforce the law and start banning these dangerous inconsiderate morons from the roads. I don't give a flying fig about whether you need your car to take your grandmother somewhere. Tough shit! A driving licence is privilege and not a right.
If I can be bothered to slow down and give pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists room and space on the road when I am driving then so can every other person out there driving a vehicle. As I have pointed out to people before it does not matter how much money you have, what car you drive you have no more rights than any other road user on the roads (Unless you have flashing blue lights going

posted by martib [55 posts]
25th January 2014 - 11:57

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I see the incidents reported on this site and have come up with the equation
London + car + angry cyclist - common sense = Disaster
Thank goodness I don't live or cycle in our nations capital!!

Chadders x

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posted by chadders [79 posts]
25th January 2014 - 16:34

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This appalling incident, and its likely contribution to increasing already polarised opinions has got me thinking.

I'm a realist, and so I'm not expecting much, but if, as cyclists, we stood together and conceded that riders who use the ASL as an opportunity to jocky for position to go straight on, and place themselves directly in front of vehicles that are also going straight on, are irresponsible tw@ts, then we might see some progress towards cycle acceptance.

I've argued for a line to be painted in ASL boxes, such that riders heading straight on do not place themselves in front of vehicles also heading straight on, leaving clear space for riders turning right, as originally intended, and, at least on this forum, almost all contributers appeared to want to continue with the current "massed start" comedy at every light, so admirably demonstrated in the video above.

If you're reading this, and you're a rider that sytematically places yourself in front of other vehicles, even though you're not turning right, you've got to understand that you are contributing to this dangerous situation, and dangerous drivers are going to take their frustrations out on the rest of us.

"Hey..... Let's be visible out there."

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posted by Neil753 [451 posts]
25th January 2014 - 16:36

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caaad10 wrote:

I wonder if the cyclist would have acted the same way if someone had accidentally spilt his pint in a pub......

Interesting analogy with the pub, what do you reckon the Audi drivers chances of getting away without getting a severe shoeing if he'd decided to drive his car into a pub for the sole reason of saving a few seconds on his journey?

posted by farrell [1876 posts]
25th January 2014 - 16:57

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Rather than stick up for cyclists rights, all that diddy did was put every cyclist in that box in danger.

All Campag

posted by Flying Scot [846 posts]
25th January 2014 - 17:32

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I think I might have lost it in those circumstances and completely totalled his car. Deserved it.
Yes I know it wouldn't help the case but!

We're all entitled to a reasonable opinion!

posted by Guyz2010 [298 posts]
26th January 2014 - 11:20

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Flying Scot wrote:
Rather than stick up for cyclists rights, all that diddy did was put every cyclist in that box in danger.

"Rather than stick up for cyclists rights,"

Why was he attacked then?

Victim blaming.

posted by kie7077 [711 posts]
26th January 2014 - 15:40

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The only thing the guy on the bike did wrong was shout at the driver - understandable but it doesn't get you anywhere. The ASL boxes are there to be used and motorists need to understand that they have no right to an unobstructed race across the junction but to let all cyclists set the pace safely.

If you want to make an impact use the law, be persistent and don't be put off by failure.

posted by Crankpoet [10 posts]
26th January 2014 - 15:41

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kie7077 wrote:
Flying Scot wrote:
Rather than stick up for cyclists rights, all that diddy did was put every cyclist in that box in danger.

"Rather than stick up for cyclists rights,"

Why was he attacked then?

Victim blaming.

Why do you feel you have to defend the cyclist?
He was attacked by a idiot who didn't appreciate his idiot mate being given verbal abuse by a idiot cyclist. It's not victim blaming when they are all at fault. The driver is an arse with a car, the cyclist an arse on a bike, the passenger an aggressive arse, they all did things wrong which inflamed the situation further. Why does anybody feel they have to stick up for any parties. The same as why do some cyclists feel they can teach and lecture complete fuk tards in vehicles the rules of the road we all know they don't care so why try? you are more likely to get punched/ pushed/ run over by the big ass metal box they hide in, we then act surprised when this happens. What do people think is going to be the likely outcome?

posted by cavmem1 [46 posts]
26th January 2014 - 18:40

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philtregear wrote:
I am so glad I dont live in London. Hats off to you who cycle there, but the guy in the audi is the absolute cliche of the young, rich, selfish, pricks that I completely loathe. London seems awash with them, so I leave that shithole to such turds.

i wouldnt mind so much but they tend to leave the capital at weekends and spread their filth in the fairer parts of the country where the likes of me live.

London's a great place to cycle, I have more trouble as a cyclist in the rural climes of Hertfordshire or Essex than I ever have in London. One video isn't representative of the reality, is it. As for the "rich, selfless" driver, you can probably assume that an Audi A5 Sportback, in no cost colour option Arctic White, driven during rush hour in the capital by a guy in a shirt and trousers all but equals Company Car.

posted by Nick T [900 posts]
26th January 2014 - 20:01

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Ultimately the original "this is a bike zone" comment is where it should of stopped. But cyclist chased, which means planned, so he drew first blood. Cyclist fault, IHO. However no one deserves to be attacked.
But I will say that there is a perception by many non cyclists (it was blatantly obvious the passenger wasn't an exerciser, but he did obviously have a penchant for eating) that most if not all cyclists are puny little mountain goats, and for that reason they are easy targets. The funny thing is, is that I am a former competitive bodybuilder of 9yrs, my in season weight was 14st and 8-4% body fat off season 16st at 5'8". Now a few years later I am 12.6st. 8-10% body fat for most of the year, 6-7 during the sportive season, my point is, I am still a lump muscular wise I have retained my shape just smaller and in cycling kit I look twice the size, I have a military tattoo on my arm 2ft long of a dagger a ancient warriors helmet on my right calve plus a full arm sleeve on my right arm of a warrior theme and my units cap badge on my other calve, funny thing is no CAR driver has ever gobbed off at
me in 20yrs of riding, ohh one did a few years ago but then jumped back in his car when he saw I wasn't a Quintana. Funny isn't, choosy bunch some men aren't they, oops sorry ment cowardly when they can see you can bite back. Angry

posted by Cyclist [307 posts]
26th January 2014 - 20:06

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There is no excuse for a physical assault. None.

posted by paulfg42 [392 posts]
26th January 2014 - 20:27

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Neil753 wrote:
This appalling incident, and its likely contribution to increasing already polarised opinions has got me thinking.

I'm a realist, and so I'm not expecting much, but if, as cyclists, we stood together and conceded that riders who use the ASL as an opportunity to jocky for position to go straight on, and place themselves directly in front of vehicles that are also going straight on, are irresponsible tw@ts, then we might see some progress towards cycle acceptance.

I've argued for a line to be painted in ASL boxes, such that riders heading straight on do not place themselves in front of vehicles also heading straight on, leaving clear space for riders turning right, as originally intended, and, at least on this forum, almost all contributers appeared to want to continue with the current "massed start" comedy at every light, so admirably demonstrated in the video above.

If you're reading this, and you're a rider that sytematically places yourself in front of other vehicles, even though you're not turning right, you've got to understand that you are contributing to this dangerous situation, and dangerous drivers are going to take their frustrations out on the rest of us.

Wait, what?!

ASLs are there to let you get away from the lights safely in front of motor traffic.

Putting yourself in the gutter just means Mr Audi is going to be alongside you while you are getting up to speed and dancing over potholes or clipping in.

The ASL is there PRECISELY to put cyclists ahead of motor traffic for the very reason on getting away from the lights first - whether or not you are going straight or turning off.

Scenario: No ASL at a junction. Red light. Do you go in the gutter, or do you take a primary position in the traffic queue? You take the primary position. What is so galling about doing it in the legally protected (!?) zone in front of traffic?

Jumped-up, impatient, frustrated drivers need to learn to share the road. Particularly in urban areas where it is just a race to the next red light anyway.

Also, if your divided ASL is full, cyclists end up.... in the filter lane on the inside. Quite possibly on the inside of vehicles turning left. D'oh.

Asolare

posted by Goldfever4 [192 posts]
27th January 2014 - 11:17

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Why can't they investigate by locating the vehicle and where it is registered too and putting pressure on the driver to name the passenger? or do they want to prosecute the rider only?

posted by northstar [1113 posts]
27th January 2014 - 13:17

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Seriously, what we have here is knob-end aggressively confronts knob-ends and gets twatted for it.

Totally agree with the above. BUT we have all faced many motorist who act dangerously and this time illegal as well.
He should be fined for driving into the cycle box and as an assault is also illegal whatever the provocation this must be acted upon.
Come on the Police - and take action - now! Applause

Hardyt

posted by hardyt [22 posts]
27th January 2014 - 14:33

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Cyclist wrote:
Ultimately the original "this is a bike zone" comment is where it should of stopped. But cyclist chased, which means planned, so he drew first blood. Cyclist fault, IHO. However no one deserves to be attacked.
But I will say that there is a perception by many non cyclists (it was blatantly obvious the passenger wasn't an exerciser, but he did obviously have a penchant for eating) that most if not all cyclists are puny little mountain goats, and for that reason they are easy targets. The funny thing is, is that I am a former competitive bodybuilder of 9yrs, my in season weight was 14st and 8-4% body fat off season 16st at 5'8". Now a few years later I am 12.6st. 8-10% body fat for most of the year, 6-7 during the sportive season, my point is, I am still a lump muscular wise I have retained my shape just smaller and in cycling kit I look twice the size, I have a military tattoo on my arm 2ft long of a dagger a ancient warriors helmet on my right calve plus a full arm sleeve on my right arm of a warrior theme and my units cap badge on my other calve, funny thing is no CAR driver has ever gobbed off at
me in 20yrs of riding, ohh one did a few years ago but then jumped back in his car when he saw I wasn't a Quintana. Funny isn't, choosy bunch some men aren't they, oops sorry ment cowardly when they can see you can bite back. Angry

I think there is something to this, 'the skinny dude in lycra' looks like an easy target if you're running a bit hot on the testosterone. Someone got out of the car to have a go at me until I picked up the bike by the stem and he was suddenly confronted with my front wheel.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice...

posted by notfastenough [3690 posts]
27th January 2014 - 14:57

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Agree with most of the posters on here who see this as two aggressive individuals..

If you shout and swear aggressively at someone you are likely to end up in physical conflict and you should be prepared for it.

That said, if he really did run over his foot then yes you'd be forgiven for getting angry. But I don't think that actually happened especially as he got up and cycled away

posted by 700c [686 posts]
27th January 2014 - 17:02

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notfastenough wrote:
Someone got out of the car to have a go at me until I picked up the bike by the stem and he was suddenly confronted with my front wheel.

Balls to that, get it up by the headtube and seat post and swing the bike crankwards at them. Taking a 53T to the head or face a couple of times is going to make most people have a rethink.

posted by farrell [1876 posts]
27th January 2014 - 17:15

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Complete apathy from everyone around !
Majority of people just looking & putting hands over their mouths, "oh my god" jokers.

If you see something wrong Go & do something!

The guy in the beanie was looking for a reaction by the way he reversed his bike up to the guys window in the 1st place. He could've quite easily have placed his bike on the floor in front of the audi to stop him from riding off & called the police.
Likewise all the other 5 or 6 cyclists could've also helped.

where's this "cycle community" I keep hearing of?

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posted by Noelieboy [95 posts]
27th January 2014 - 17:25

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[quote=caaad10}

The cyclist was actively aggressive, the car occupant passively aggressive. Either way, if the cyclist hadn't been so vocal none of this would have happened. Make your own mind up......

Sorry i have to take exception to this - getting ou of the car and punching someone is never going to be 'passively aggressive'. That is just not passive in any way shape or form. He actively got out of the car, he actively went up to the cyclist and actively punched him in the head. Regardless of the behaviour that lead to it, it is not passively aggressive. To counter your argument, the cyclist (claims*) foot was run over, i'd be pretty vocal to a drive in that instance. Probably have more sense than to chase them up the road and scream at them from 2 inches away, but i'd still be livid.
*his opening shout is along the lines of 'you f'ing prick you ran over my foot'

posted by md6 [176 posts]
27th January 2014 - 17:48

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And you don't think if he'd been that stupid to put his bike on the ground the driver wouldn't have simply ridden over part or all of it...

posted by northstar [1113 posts]
27th January 2014 - 17:52

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Common sense. Telling the car driver that he was in the box would never result in the car backing up... it would only ever end in tears. That's the reality.

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posted by Large_Pista [51 posts]
27th January 2014 - 18:32

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Large_Pista wrote:
Common sense. Telling the car driver that he was in the box would never result in the car backing up... it would only ever end in tears. That's the reality.

I've made a driver back out of a asl once, told him they were in it and what they were going to do about it? and he backed out of it, took a lot of staring / mexican stand off too.

I wouldn't go around making a habit of it but it can be done if you want too "make a stand".

posted by northstar [1113 posts]
28th January 2014 - 9:18

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Audi drivers... The shiny chrome gear sticks make them behave as they do. Brrrrrmmm! Brummmmmm!

Before the Audi drivers start.. I would have to say that over 50% of dangerous motorists I've encountered over the past 8 years have been driving Audi's. It's all to do with the interior styling. Psychologically all models are very boy/girl racer. And some Audi drivers are prats of course. Some drivers of other makes of cars are also prats. Audi's to seem to pop up pretty frequently though. Interesting.

Silly me. You're probably right....

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posted by MercuryOne [1163 posts]
28th January 2014 - 9:18

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'Taking a 53T to the head or face a couple of times is going to make most people have a rethink.'

Oh dear.

posted by andyp [1368 posts]
28th January 2014 - 10:40

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andyp wrote:
'Taking a 53T to the head or face a couple of times is going to make most people have a rethink.'

Oh dear.

Sorry, do you ride with a 51T or something?

posted by farrell [1876 posts]
28th January 2014 - 11:44

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Depends which bike, to be honest. Whichever one I'm on, I'm unlikely to try to deliberately maim someone though.

posted by andyp [1368 posts]
28th January 2014 - 13:03

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