2014 world tour teams

by stevemarks   September 30, 2013  

Just thinking ahead, We are losing two teams next year Euskatel and Vacansoliel, but started this year with 19, so who is prepared to step up a level? I noticed IAM making some big signings, particularly Chavanel, anyone else heard what might be happening?

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I thought Euskaltel had been saved or are they dropping to Conti level ?

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posted by stumps [2810 posts]
30th September 2013 - 19:04

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Euskatel and Vaconsoleil are both shutting down I think. Vaconsoleil couldn't get a sponsor and the deal between Euskatel and Fernando Alonso fell through apparently because who ever was selling the Euskatel license wanted Alonso to take on all the staff contracts and he refused.

Saur-Sojasun are also going at the end of the year (unable to get a sponsor).

I think IAM will stay at Pro-Conti level for another year then look to move up unless the UCI throw some money their way but if IAM can get a Tour invite (which they should with Chavanel) I don't think they'd want the extra cost of having to field a team in all the crappy World Tour races. I mean, what's the benefit to IAM or racing in Qatar, Beijing, Australia, Poland etc etc, all they want is the TdF invite.

Europcar are nailed on for a Tour invite and that's all they care about so I doubt they'll move up which basically leaves a free spot in the World Tour next year making a mockery of the whole system.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
30th September 2013 - 19:14

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Don't forget that Saxo have split from Tinkoff and are looking for another sponsor and with only a handful of points here and there might have trouble.

So with Euskaltel and Vaconsoliel gone Saxo and Katusha on dodgy ground

Trek are taking on Radioshack but their license runs out this season I believe, along with FDJ and Lotto

It currently it looks like this

License for 2014
Orica-GreenEDGE
Argos-Shimano
Belkin
Garmin
Saxo

License beyond 2014
Cannondale
AG2R
Sky
BMC
Movistar
Astana

So it leaves 11 who are there for sure. I think its going to be a struggle to get 18 teams. It may be cut to 16

The only team I can see who are fit to move up right now are IAM Cycling.

Europcar have ruled it out, Cofidis? Net-App? or Sojasun (who are also in financial trouble)

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posted by Gkam84 [8953 posts]
30th September 2013 - 19:40

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Here you are, go work out who has enough points and who doesn't...... http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=&ObjTypeCode=FILE...

ALSO, remember that WT races are supposed to be featuring teams of 6 next year, instead of the normal 8 riders.

So that will leave more room for invites

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posted by Gkam84 [8953 posts]
30th September 2013 - 19:44

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Also, from my other thread, discussing teams disappearing

Champion Systems
Crelan-Euphony

They are also gone

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posted by Gkam84 [8953 posts]
30th September 2013 - 19:47

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drheaton wrote:
Euskatel and Vaconsoleil are both shutting down I think. Vaconsoleil couldn't get a sponsor and the deal between Euskatel and Fernando Alonso fell through apparently because who ever was selling the Euskatel license wanted Alonso to take on all the staff contracts and he refused.

Saur-Sojasun are also going at the end of the year (unable to get a sponsor).

I think IAM will stay at Pro-Conti level for another year then look to move up unless the UCI throw some money their way but if IAM can get a Tour invite (which they should with Chavanel) I don't think they'd want the extra cost of having to field a team in all the crappy World Tour races. I mean, what's the benefit to IAM or racing in Qatar, Beijing, Australia, Poland etc etc, all they want is the TdF invite.

Europcar are nailed on for a Tour invite and that's all they care about so I doubt they'll move up which basically leaves a free spot in the World Tour next year making a mockery of the whole system.

That's what I was thinking, and if Saxo cannot find a co sponsor it could be even worse!

posted by stevemarks [424 posts]
30th September 2013 - 19:51

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Gkam84 wrote:
Don't forget that Saxo have split from Tinkoff and are looking for another sponsor and with only a handful of points here and there might have trouble.

So with Euskaltel and Vaconsoliel gone Saxo and Katusha on dodgy ground

Trek are taking on Radioshack but their license runs out this season I believe, along with FDJ and Lotto

It currently it looks like this

License for 2014
Orica-GreenEDGE
Argos-Shimano
Belkin
Garmin
Saxo

License beyond 2014
Cannondale
AG2R
Sky
BMC
Movistar
Astana

So it leaves 11 who are there for sure. I think its going to be a struggle to get 18 teams. It may be cut to 16

The only team I can see who are fit to move up right now are IAM Cycling.

Europcar have ruled it out, Cofidis? Net-App? or Sojasun (who are also in financial trouble)

Cyclingnews are reporting that Sojasun are officially done.

If you can't even give away the licenses to enter into the top level of the sport you know something is seriously wrong with the system. The problem is the current system is all that keeps some races afloat. Would the likes of San Sebastian survive if they didn't haven all of the top teams guaranteed to attend?

Personally, I think perhaps the World Tour calendar needs to be either trimmed down to cut out some of the crap or needs breaking up into two levels, the top including the grand tours and monuments that ALL of the top team's have to attend and then a lower tier which includes races where they are guaranteed a certain number of top teams but where all the top teams don't have to attend giving some flexibility and slightly less intensive calendars.

Whatever happens, something needs to change.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
30th September 2013 - 20:10

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I am seeing comments/speculation that Europcar are going for a worldtour licence.

posted by stevemarks [424 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 19:02

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The problem is, if Europcar don't get a WT spot, they are going to cut some riders. I think IAM have more chance though

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posted by Gkam84 [8953 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 19:08

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Not sure Europcar will have to drop riders, they're built for one grand tour a season so I can't see them being hugely over budget, they've already dropped a few riders this year.

Whichever of Europcar/IAM get the license (and I think if they're going to get an 18th WT team it'll be one of these two) the other must be nailed on for a TdF invite so I don't think it really matters. I agree with gkam though that maybe IAM are better placed to cover the whole seasons worth of races from classic to grand tours.

Nice to see Vaconsoleil have kind of gotten a reprieve by dropping down to Pro-Conti and merging with Accent Jobs-Wanty.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 20:13

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Inrng has it that Europcar have officially applied for the license but they don't have enough riders, need to recruit some more after losing the likes of Turgot and Gaudin. Had to lose them though to release funds for Voeckler/Rolland/Coquard contracts.

Will be interesting to see who they pick up from the folding teams now. De Gendt still free as well as some Euskie riders, Izagirre brothers maybe? Plus, Euskie riders contracts still covered for next year if they had a contract already.

Horner's still free of course...

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 20:46

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Europcar have said, they have at least 22 riders for next season, which is too many for a Conti team in their eyes, they may be forced to cut a few.

Vacansoleil aren't saving anything, their DS has gone to Wanty and is taking a few riders, along with finding a new title sponsor.

Leaving riders like De Gendt and Hoogerland to find contracts for themselves

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posted by Gkam84 [8953 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 20:49

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Gkam84 wrote:
Europcar have said, they have at least 22 riders for next season, which is too many for a Conti team in their eyes, they may be forced to cut a few.

Vacansoleil aren't saving anything, their DS has gone to Wanty and is taking a few riders, along with finding a new title sponsor.

Leaving riders like De Gendt and Hoogerland to find contracts for themselves

Europcar are stuck in no man's land. Too many riders to race Pro Conti but under the minimum of 23 needed to apply for a WT license. They need some quality though, not just numbers, they need some decent support stage winners if they want to compete all year round at WT level, especially after losing Turgot/Gaudin, their go to paid for the cobbled classics.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 20:52

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Gkam84 wrote:
Don't forget that Saxo have split from Tinkoff and are looking for another sponsor and with only a handful of points here and there might have trouble.

So with Euskaltel and Vaconsoliel gone Saxo and Katusha on dodgy ground

Trek are taking on Radioshack but their license runs out this season I believe, along with FDJ and Lotto

It currently it looks like this

License for 2014
Orica-GreenEDGE
Argos-Shimano
Belkin
Garmin
Saxo

License beyond 2014
Cannondale
AG2R
Sky
BMC
Movistar
Astana

So it leaves 11 who are there for sure. I think its going to be a struggle to get 18 teams. It may be cut to 16

The only team I can see who are fit to move up right now are IAM Cycling.

Europcar have ruled it out, Cofidis? Net-App? or Sojasun (who are also in financial trouble)

OPQS? Lotto? Lampre? They aren't going anywhere soon.

posted by ajmarshal1 [332 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 21:33

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No they aren't, but their current license runs out at the end of the season

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posted by Gkam84 [8953 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 21:40

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I agree absolutely that IAM look a quality set-up, some promising riders bringing good performances in pretty much every race in which they've taken part. Would be a hell of a rapid rise of they were to get WT status so quickly, though.

I can understand all the talk about Europcar, but don't they essentially exist for the Tour? Saying that, they are a continental brand (unlike, say, Cofidis), and while I do love IAM and their unwitting Kraftwerk-ness, part of me does instinctively find the 'rich man's plaything' element a little... unheimlich

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posted by Ghedebrav [1102 posts]
2nd October 2013 - 21:58

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Sad times for a lot of teams.

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posted by jimmythecuckoo [1279 posts]
3rd October 2013 - 14:09

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Its not really the teams I feel sad for, teams come and go.

Its the amount of decent riders we are going to lose from the racing next season

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posted by Gkam84 [8953 posts]
3rd October 2013 - 17:18

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If you go onto cycling fever there 859 records of transfers, rumours etc which is a hell of a lot. Some will be contract extensions but it still leaves many riders looking for a new team and with less teams its not looking good.

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posted by stumps [2810 posts]
3rd October 2013 - 17:32

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Despite Wanty coming in to save Vacansoleil there will still be issues and fall out...

Have blogged about it here http://road.cc/content/blog/95693-save-tommy

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posted by jimmythecuckoo [1279 posts]
4th October 2013 - 9:34

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stumps wrote:
If you go onto cycling fever there 859 records of transfers, rumours etc which is a hell of a lot. Some will be contract extensions but it still leaves many riders looking for a new team and with less teams its not looking good.

Over 300 of them are signed though, with another 50 being retiring riders.

You have to remember that covers ALL levels of cycling, WT, Conti, Regional, Womans...etc

I can't find last year's, but there was nearly 2000

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posted by Gkam84 [8953 posts]
4th October 2013 - 10:44

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Nearly 2000 ? bloody hell didn't realise there was that many.

Still with less teams and if we hit 2k again it leaves a lot of riders without a seat.

There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

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posted by stumps [2810 posts]
5th October 2013 - 16:26

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