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How is chris horner doing so well in the vuelta.the guy is a fantastic domestique and has long successful career but never been a GC contender in the grand tours.

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 2 years ago
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Its simple, He's finally got a chance to do something in a grand tour. He is the team leader, he doesn't have to worry about pulling Schleck's nappy up or making sure he's fed and watered.

He can finally able to do his own thing, I think he's always had it in him, just been held back by others

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bashthebox [751 posts] 2 years ago
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If he can do this at 42... why wasn't he ever a leader 15 years ago when he'd have been in his prime?

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 2 years ago
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His first GT was only 7 years ago, since then, he's always been a DS to some other rider. Take out the GT's and his record is America is mental, he's won everything

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sm [368 posts] 2 years ago
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Horlicks isn't on the banned substance list... yet.

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Shanefutcher [98 posts] 2 years ago
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If he's in this good shape why wasnt he team leader before?with all the data analysis etc surely the DS from the team would identify horner to be the best cyclist to lead

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fbhidy [41 posts] 2 years ago
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Maybe he was the best clean DS you could expect on a team of major dopers. Tough to compete against the likes of those he rode for, clean or otherwise.

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Some Fella [890 posts] 2 years ago
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Because he is doping.

(sue me)

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TheHatter [770 posts] 2 years ago
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Jonathan Vaughters (twitter): Are you guys discussing the same Chris Horner that chased down Hincapie in final tdf for talking?

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tomisitt [53 posts] 2 years ago
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Hmmm...pretty much the only American of "that" generation that hasn't fessed up to doping, friend of (and apologist for) Armstrong, 41 years old, putting out 6.3kW/kg on a climb that destroyed a peloton half his age, climbing out of the saddle for 7km with little sign of physical effort, dropping GC contenders such as Nibali, Valverde, Rodriguez, Basso, etc, like they were 41 year old has-beens.

Yep, it's definitely because he's finally been allowed off the leash. By a team that, until recently, was run by Johann Bruyneel.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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dave atkinson [6142 posts] 2 years ago
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Shanefutcher wrote:

If he's in this good shape why wasnt he team leader before?with all the data analysis etc surely the DS from the team would identify horner to be the best cyclist to lead

depends to an extent who else is on your team:

2006: cadel evans
2007: cadel evans
2008: alberto contador
2009: alberto contador *and* lance armstrong
2010: lance armstrong
2011: won the tour of california as team leader
2012: andy schleck

so he's had some fairly talented company along the way.

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dave atkinson [6142 posts] 2 years ago
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obviously how much of certain of those names' palmares is down to pure talent is a matter of some debate  39

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Colin Peyresourde [1636 posts] 2 years ago
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Dave Atkinson wrote:
Shanefutcher wrote:

If he's in this good shape why wasnt he team leader before?with all the data analysis etc surely the DS from the team would identify horner to be the best cyclist to lead

depends to an extent who else is on your team:

2006: cadel evans
2007: cadel evans
2008: alberto contador
2009: alberto contador *and* lance armstrong
2010: lance armstrong
2011: won the tour of california as team leader
2012: andy schleck

so he's had some fairly talented company along the way.

That's a strange definition for talent you have there....how many dopers? There's even a hint/whiff of those that weren't.

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dave atkinson [6142 posts] 2 years ago
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you might have missed my follow up there

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dave atkinson [6142 posts] 2 years ago
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my veiled point being that if lance was doping and chris was doping, doping lance would be your team leader over doping chris

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Colin Peyresourde [1636 posts] 2 years ago
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Dave Atkinson wrote:

my veiled point being that if lance was doping and chris was doping, doping lance would be your team leader over doping chris

Yup - you pulled the blackout curtains down on that one (from my perspective at least anyway....)

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Ghedebrav [1098 posts] 2 years ago
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sm wrote:

Horlicks isn't on the banned substance list... yet.

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Clearly he's being spurred on by his memories of the Spanish-American war.

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Mostyn [396 posts] 2 years ago
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sm wrote:

Horlicks isn't on the banned substance list... yet.

Just sent the wife out to buy a big jar of Horlicks. Well, if it make Chris Honer a GC contender at 42, years of age? It's bound to do something for me at 65, years of age?

Or is it just a load of Ball-ox?? Someone somewhere has discovered an undetectable ELIXIR??

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Meaulnes [64 posts] 2 years ago
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Did Horner do a rest-day press conference? I haven't read anything, if one did take place.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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His performance could be explained by saying he is not now racing against dopers?
Just because he is American and linked to Bruyneel doesn't make him a doper.
Like Lance said we have to just, 'have faith'

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Super Domestique [1596 posts] 2 years ago
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Meaulnes wrote:

Did Horner do a rest-day press conference? I haven't read anything, if one did take place.

There probably was no need, he isn't wearing a Sky jersey.

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daddyELVIS [654 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Its simple, He's finally got a chance to do something in a grand tour. He is the team leader, he doesn't have to worry about pulling Schleck's nappy up or making sure he's fed and watered.

He can finally able to do his own thing, I think he's always had it in him, just been held back by others

You're right about it being 'simple', but you then you ventured into fantasy land!

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 2 years ago
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daddyELIVS, do us all a favour....go find some proof, or stop spouting trash.

Reading your comments from many threads, you see to think that every single rider is doping, you must love the sport  24

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daddyELVIS [654 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

daddyELIVS, do us all a favour....go find some proof, or stop spouting trash.

Reading your comments from many threads, you see to think that every single rider is doping, you must love the sport  24

I do love the sport, but I'm not daft enough to think that the majority (including some of my favourite riders) are clean all the time. I'm certain many riders either lose weight using banned substances, train using band substances, or race using band substances, or do a combination of these, perhaps all 3. My belief is that doping in sport needs real debate because it's a very complicated area, not as simple as doping bad, clean good. But spouting that riders are clean when they obviously are not adds nothing to the debate.

BTW, would you have said the same thing to anyone who called LA out, back in the day?

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 2 years ago
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So Horner is obviously doping in your eyes, but to me, he's just having a good tour.

Lance's first couple of tours, yes, I would have defended him, but it became clearer as his career went on.

Where are Horner, has always been around, doing the same job as Ritchie Porte has been doing for Wiggo and Froome.

No he's got no-one to work for, he's having his chance and taking it with both hands.

So if Porte goes and shows like this next year when Wiggo won't be taking on a grand tour. Does that make him an obvious doper?

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daddyELVIS [654 posts] 2 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

So if Porte goes and shows like this next year when Wiggo won't be taking on a grand tour. Does that make him an obvious doper?

Hilarious  24

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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Lots of people called LA out; it cost them money and or their careers...
The problem was, as LA and others said, hundreds of negative tests for LA along with some discredited positives. This is hard (if wrong) evidence of clean riding. All other evidence was, as LA said verbal evidence from discredited sources.
Chris Horner would have also been tested, maybe not as much as Lance; but why have his negative tests not now been re-tested as positives? Because he is/was clean?

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daddyELVIS [654 posts] 2 years ago
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SideBurn wrote:

Chris Horner would have also been tested, maybe not as much as Lance; but why have his negative tests not now been re-tested as positives? Because he is/was clean?

erm, because they've not been re-tested as far as I'm aware.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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daddyELVIS wrote:
SideBurn wrote:

Chris Horner would have also been tested, maybe not as much as Lance; but why have his negative tests not now been re-tested as positives? Because he is/was clean?

erm, because they've not been re-tested as far as I'm aware.

I thought they were all re-tested; that is why the s**t hit the fan? Anyone know? Surely to test some but not others would be a bit fishy?
The whole thing stinks enough without selective re-testing...

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daddyELVIS [654 posts] 2 years ago
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SideBurn wrote:
daddyELVIS wrote:
SideBurn wrote:

Chris Horner would have also been tested, maybe not as much as Lance; but why have his negative tests not now been re-tested as positives? Because he is/was clean?

erm, because they've not been re-tested as far as I'm aware.

I thought they were all re-tested; that is why the s**t hit the fan? Anyone know? Surely to test some but not others would be a bit fishy?
The whole thing stinks enough without selective re-testing...

If you're talking about the 'reasoned decision', it was a case based on witness statements.

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bashthebox [751 posts] 2 years ago
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There's a statute of limitations on retests - 8 years I think? Armstrong's samples from '99 tested positive after the limitations were exceeded.

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