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700c [819 posts] 2 years ago
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Ok I will then..

I think the points you made are reasonable, as a resident of the area suffering a particular inconvenience at the time of the event, I do understand your position

As others have pointed out on the original news item, it would be a good idea to vary the route so that the same people are not constantly inconvenienced.

I have no idea why you posted a link to the governments guidelines for cyclists' use of the road, however. (note that much of this is guidance and not rules of the road as denoted by 'you must' in the highway code).

Most of us on here are also car drivers, and as such, have a good appreciation of the needs of all road users, and how to drive and cycle with respect for each other

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Gkam84 [9068 posts] 2 years ago
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That story kind of had its time, but quite happy to talk about it on here.

I'll quote you some things from the petition I have started, but yet to really announce.

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Keiron James BYFLEET, UNITED KINGDOM 6 days ago

This is a great event that raises masses of money for charity. It was well advertised and a great day for local communities and definitely not changed. It is one day in a year, you would of thought the world was going to end. Sad that people a so ignorant to the big picture

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Ashley Warner BYFLEET, UNITED KINGDOM 6 days ago

It's only once a year and its great to watch. Its also good for the community and inspires a young generation like the Olympics which was amazing.

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Paul Medcraft WESTCOTT, SURREY, UNITED KINGDOM 7 days ago

It is lovely in Westcott when the roads are closed. Unlike the rest of the year, children can walk around the village without having to be handheld and it is so quiet and peaceful without the noise of cars and motorbikes speeding through.

You'll notice those are just quotes from people who live in the villages you mentioned, read more comments here.

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/surrey-county-council-interact-and...

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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Would love to know whether the residents from Byfleet live on the station side of the route. It does make a massive difference. Carers can get to patients there.

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Leviathan [1784 posts] 2 years ago
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Well only just over a year until the next one so very little time to plan.

I am very interested to see that most bike shops are selling illegal bike pedals with no rear amber reflector. I will write to the makers of Eggbeaters and insist they incorporate them into their design.

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Mart [110 posts] 2 years ago
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I believe that reflectors on pedals are only a mandatory requirement if they are sold fitted to or with a new bike. This goes for the wheel reflectors and the bell too. Its why most road bikes are sold without pedals (or the cage type with reflectors). The rules for reflectors only apply to a bike while it is being ridden at night.
But I'm sure someone will correct me.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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I don't understand? The story has 104 replies? More than I can be bothered to read  37

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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bikeboy

It may well be a year to the next event. We shall probably not be advised of road closure times until about 2 to 3 weeks beforehand. If this year is anything to go by.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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How much will this event inconvenience you personally? (I am not being sarcastic, serious question)

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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Depending on my shift I may not be able to get to work without a 20 mile detour, or if I am on the night shift as I catch the train then I may not be able to get home to go to bed as I have to work the Sunday night. Before anyone suggests I take holiday why should I for an event that holds no interest for me.

As stated in my other post my mother in laws carers were unable to get to her, that was admittedly more than likely a 'Tin Hitler' ,sorry steward problem than the event itself.

I can see no need for the roads to be closed for 14 hours, the event did not start in London until approx 9:30 the first participants will not be in my area until about 11.

I have noticed in the petitions that those most vociferous in their support for the event are those who do not live in the area.

I have already stated I was massively in favour of the event for Olympics, however at no point was it mentioned that this would be every year.

An objective of thge annual event is including other communities. Ok how about Ride London-Kent, followed by Ride London-Essex, Ride London-Hertfordshire and so on until you get round to Surrey again. Every 5 years or so seems fair and everyone in the Home Counties gets a share.

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Leviathan [1784 posts] 2 years ago
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@Freespirit
A few clarifications:
1. The event atarted at 6am. I was already across London and into Richmond Park before 7am.
2. Roads are closed from early hours. Can you imaging trying to get a bypasses or A-roads cleared of traffic with 15,000 cyclists bearing down on you too.
3. Kent might not have the challenging required for the event. It is not just the public sportive but also the professional road race afterwards that uses a similar course, the course was similar to the Olympics for good reason, and to use the same organisation process.

Next years event is already over-subscribed, You really shouldn't expect it to be different. You don't say how the event stopped the trains, unless you are driving to the train station.
I don't quite understand what you want to achieve by posting here. I am sorry you were inconvenienced, but one only has to look at all the people participating and spectating to see that it was a massively successful and popular event. This is democracy in action, directives come from the top, you might not like them but they appeal to the masses, you might not be consulted. I suggest you write to Mr. B Johnson or your local county council, or buy a bike, they are great.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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I am trying to point out that many people are inconvenienced by this event, and was hoping that I could in some small way hope that many of you can see the other side of the argument.

For you to suggest I write to Boris, what good will that do? He is Mayor of London and does not give a flying about us!!

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Leviathan [1784 posts] 2 years ago
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freespirit1 wrote:

For you to suggest I write to Boris, what good will that do? He is Mayor of London and does not give a flying about us!!

'or your local county council'... I DO understand some people were inconvenienced. And I DO understand you do not feel represented or consulted. But what you actually want is NO event or to send it elsewhere (NIMBY.)

If you CANNOT acknowledge the success of this event then you are wasting your breathe here, and are preaching to the wrong demographic; hence my suggestion you write to your local government. If you think they won't care, you are right, because they recognize the success of the event. The event will be back next year for ONE day.

If you think there is a lack of sympathy for you it is inversely proportional to the overinflated sense of injustice you and the other petitioners have when 'your' road is closed for other people to use.

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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Nowhere did I say I want no event. To resort to name calling really is the last refuge of the loser of the argument.

If on that one day I cannot get home from my night shift what do you suggest I do?

You seem to think you have all the answers.

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Leviathan [1784 posts] 2 years ago
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You really think 'NIMBY' is name calling? You obviously haven't been on many internet forums or been called many names. If you don't mind the event as long as it is someone else's problem then that is NIMBY.
You really think I have lost the argument; are we even having an argument? My point is that this is not the right place to expect a solution to your problem. I don't know how you will get back from work, but you have 350+ days to work it out.

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700c [819 posts] 2 years ago
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I think Kent would be a great location for next years event, it has three times hosted a TDF stage (I think) and the public would back it I reckon, as they have before

Surrey has had its fair share of cyclists in recent times, both undertaking events and practising for them

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arfa [696 posts] 2 years ago
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personally I would be quite happy to see the route rotated just so long as there is a finish along the Mall - I am sure Her Majesty would be happy to oblige with another annual event in her calendar  3

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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You sound like you are saying you might be inconvenienced not will?
I had a road closed near me, (subsidence, which I realise is a lot different) I was awkward especially as it was closed for weeks but meant I had to walk a bit. It was not the end of the world.
Working nights is s**t; I know because I work them, even a minor irritation becomes a major one, but this event has raised thousands for charity and could go on to raise thousands more. I suspect a lot of local businesses are rubbing their hands with expectation
Do people complain about the London Marathon? Or is this just an anti-cyclist thing?

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dave atkinson [6145 posts] 2 years ago
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people in bath moan about the half marathon *every* year. you've never heard such whining because you can't drive to sainsburys for six hours of one day every year.

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arfa [696 posts] 2 years ago
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I am inconvenienced for two weeks a year with tennis at Wimbledon and the resultant traffic (the Olympics were even worse with road blocks). Hundreds participate, thousands come and millions enjoy watching it. Sometimes you just have to plan and compromise for the greater good. I know when the tournament will be and adjust accordingly.

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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 4 I am quite sure people do complain about the Marathon I am not as it does not affect me. It is a bit of a cheap shot to imply that I may be anti-cyclist.

All I have said is that ALL road users if they obeyed the simple instructions in existence, may find that we can all use the roads in harmony.

With all the hills around Bath anyone who does a half marathon around there should be sectioned afterwards!  4

Wimbledon does tend to snarl up a relatively small area, it will be a pain in the arse I agree but maybe only a mile extra pain iin the arse. Not a 20 mile detour pain the arse.

As for walking a bit I would but pushing a motorcycle that weighs the best part of 400 pounds is not that easy after a while!!!

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crazy-legs [704 posts] 2 years ago
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To pick up on this point you made in the previous thread (freespirit1):

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2. Like most Surrey residents I was extremely pleased about the route being used for the Olympics as a one off and for a rehearsal. At no point were residents consulted about an annual event.

The council (belive it or not) is actually under no obligation to consult it's residents whatsoever - they can shut roads for any reason (well, anything they deem "necessary") without any prior notice at all - it'll be in your council tax info (hiding somewhere in very tiny print!).

As a general rule though, they will notify residents - exceptions obviously include things like major incidents (burst water main, fire, bomb threat etc) but for things like marathons, cycling events, it's usually regarded as polite to let people know - there are however not obliged to ask your opinion at all!

As I posted in that previous thread, I'm genuinely curious as to how many people were actually affected - people who simply had no other option at all? As I mentioned, my Dad lives right on the route of the London Marathon and for one weekend a year, he can't access his car, can't walk to the shops - so he plans ahead and makes alternative arrangements (or buys in his supplies in advance).

Once a year, there's a funfair held on the park opposite my house which causes a lot of noise, a lot of traffic congestion etc. Personally I hate it but I can see the good it does for the area, can see how many people enjoy it so again, I make alternative plans that weekend.

I'm not saying that's an option for everyone - obviously there will be people who can't just jump in a car and go away for a weekend, just curious as to what options there were in place to cater for that?

Not having a go, genuine question - something you might want to feed back to the organisers?

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Leviathan [1784 posts] 2 years ago
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freespirit1 wrote:

All I have said is that ALL road users if they obeyed the simple instructions in existence, may find that we can all use the roads in harmony.

Well yes, on a normal day. But road closures are necessary for this event. You cannot have up to 20,000 cyclists mixing with normal road traffic, even on a Sunday morning. Then there is the professional Classic race. What would happen at the hundreds of traffic light junctions? There will be road closures for this event next year, to suggest otherwise implies you aren't really aware of what is happening during the event.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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You still sound a lot like a nimby  39 I think you sum up your attitude when you say about the marathon, "It does not affect me so who cares?" I live in Devon so why should I care?
Anyone know how much this event raised for charity this year?

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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Sideburn

Sticks and stones and all that. I find it quite amusing that people when confronted with a view that they do not like always resort to smears and name calling.

I perhaps also should have pointed out that I can do nothing about the Marathon as I am not a London resident and voter.

The bottom line is a lot of people are inconvenienced by the event and all the other non-regulated ones that spring up in Surrey.

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SideBurn [890 posts] 2 years ago
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I try not to watch too much television, but when I do there seem to be a lot of programs dedicated to obesity, lack of exercise along with their health related problems of heart disease, diabetes. Then of course over-reliance on motor vehicles, people killed by motor vehicles etc. Even Jeremy Clarkson is saying that the country would be better if more people rode bikes.
The people in government put on an event that attracts and hopefully inspires 10's of thousands of people...
and a few hundred whinge that they -might- be inconvenienced?
I may live in Devon but I used to live near to part of the route; your 20 mile diversion statement does not add up to me. Or are you saying you would have to push your motorbike 20 miles?

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crazy-legs [704 posts] 2 years ago
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freespirit1:
I presume you're aware of the Tour of Britain having a stage in Surrey this year as well? Saturday 21st September.

http://www.tourofbritain.co.uk/stages/stage7/index.php#.Uh8UbT9el3s

Just posting this as a warning that once again there will be significant road closures on that day from very early in the morning until about 7.30pm.

Just telling you this so that you might be able to make alternative plans should your home be on the route again.

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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My home is on the route, but as they are doing rolling road closures for this we should be ok.

Time will tell.

Also we have had a bit more than a 3 weeks notice this time of the potential closures. Perhaps SCC left it so late to avoid people complaining before. Who knows?

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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Finally Sideburn and Bikeboy do not live in Surrey, therefore they have as much right to tell me how to live and run my life in Surrey, as I do to tell them how to live theirs in Manchester and Devon.

You come here for a visit and a days enjoyment those of us that HAVE to go to work still need to do so.

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musicalmarc [97 posts] 2 years ago
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genuine question, have you considered riding a bike to work for that day. You can wheel it along pavements to get around closed roads and then cycle the rest of the way. As a Londoner I have to put up with blocked up/ closed roads for much of the year. A crash on the trunk roads causes all other roads to get blocked. I'm only late for work on a bike if it's sunny.

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freespirit1 [222 posts] 2 years ago
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I am not prepared to cycle 35 miles do a 12 hour shift and then cycle 35 miles, to get home again. If the trains ran at the times I need at the weekend I would use them.

Living in Byfleet I will have to go to the M25 at Chertsey, go within half a mile of where I started to join the A3 and then head to London. When I could just turn left at the roundabout and head to the A3 and be at the A3 in less than 10 minutes. If the roads were closed at 6 will not be a problem, 5 is too early.

That journey extension is 10 miles hence my 20 mile detour statement.

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