When tradition looks CRAP

by Gkam84   June 28, 2013  

I am known around these parts for my "love" of Mark Cavendish... Devil

I have also made comments on the national champs jersey before, even though I know the stripes are traditional.

Something needs to be done here, because it looks CRAP

https://twitter.com/bradsohner/status/350634874333446144/photo/1/large

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Gkam84 wrote:
Yeah it could be any one of those, at least previous incarnations of the champs jersey had a union jack or something to help people out.

really?

the rapha is only one i can remember that had a union jack on. which others?

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7234 posts]
28th June 2013 - 18:49

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The BC guidelines say its white with Red, white, Blue bands, as far as I'm aware it's never been anything else, at least not recently

posted by pdows47 [103 posts]
28th June 2013 - 19:05

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As I see it, the issue is that if I were to see the red, white and blue bands anywhere else I would think of The Netherlands. Whilst it is probably at the bottom of the list of BCs priorities, I do wish that they would change it to something else. Maybe try a Blue Peter contest where kids send in their designs, do they still do those?

posted by djb123 [84 posts]
28th June 2013 - 19:24

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Ok, Dowsett didn't have one. But House and the sky lads had them (Sky beside their names)

Yes its the tradition to have those bands, but I really think its time British Cycling got someone to design something new. It has never looked right

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posted by Gkam84 [8645 posts]
28th June 2013 - 19:38

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I'd say leave well alone,do you remember when BC had those acid green colours to 'stand out'.

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posted by TheHatter [810 posts]
28th June 2013 - 19:52

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Even if they just took the stripes and turned them into a cross. So one set from top left to bottom right and then same going bottom left to top right

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posted by Gkam84 [8645 posts]
28th June 2013 - 20:17

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I know its team kit so a bit different but some inspiration (and warnings) to be had here http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/536646/great-britain-s-team-k...

toned down version of this would be okay

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posted by TheHatter [810 posts]
28th June 2013 - 20:44

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That was bad in those days.
why NL? Its also the UK colours? Flag design has nothing to do with it.
I have yet to see a decent UK jersey although the super bright track one is OK. Just be thankful it wasn't that abortion they wore at the Olympics. The cretin who designed it and those who approve it should hang their heads in shame.

posted by mattsccm [240 posts]
28th June 2013 - 20:48

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I think a Union Flag design similar to the Norwegian jersey would look good, no denying what country the wearer is from then

posted by pdows47 [103 posts]
28th June 2013 - 20:51

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Sorry fella I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. The whole point of the jersey is to display your national colours and for Britain it is the Hoops. I’m not bothered about BC directives however I do believe in Heritage and ours is in those Hoops! I have never understood this idea of ‘Tweaking historical things to make them look better’ because it does not work. For instance shall we paint the Forth Rail Bridge a greyish blue because after all that is the colour of lead? Err no that would be stupid! Leave things as they are and don’t worry about the face in the jersey as that will change; after all I don’t remember you being this vociferous when Stannard got the Hoops. Thinking

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posted by cidermart [454 posts]
28th June 2013 - 22:53

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Stannard had a union flag though Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [8645 posts]
28th June 2013 - 23:04

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Gkam84 wrote:
Stannard had a union flag though Wink

A small one on the sleeve cuff, which he'll keep (like GT and BW) now he's no longer champ... the main design was the hoops though Wink

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posted by Simon_MacMichael [7849 posts]
28th June 2013 - 23:36

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Bike or Bus as I don't remember it on the jersey unless it was a Sky thing? Other than the shirt sleave bit which, granted, looks cool but that is to show a previous winner.

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posted by cidermart [454 posts]
28th June 2013 - 23:54

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cidermart wrote:
Sorry fella I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. The whole point of the jersey is to display your national colours and for Britain it is the Hoops. I’m not bothered about BC directives however I do believe in Heritage and ours is in those Hoops! I have never understood this idea of ‘Tweaking historical things to make them look better’ because it does not work. For instance shall we paint the Forth Rail Bridge a greyish blue because after all that is the colour of lead? Err no that would be stupid! Leave things as they are and don’t worry about the face in the jersey as that will change; after all I don’t remember you being this vociferous when Stannard got the Hoops. Thinking

Are you sure about that?

http://www.thebicyclestory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Tom-Simpson-30...

http://spinwell.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/afp-13-07-67-e1286877670818....

posted by farrell [1247 posts]
28th June 2013 - 23:58

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Simpson never won a British title. The jersey is going back to when the TdF was a nations race rather than trade teams??

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posted by Gkam84 [8645 posts]
29th June 2013 - 0:34

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Either way a fecking cool jersey worn by a legend but not what we are discussing. British champ in hoops you know it make sense!!!

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posted by cidermart [454 posts]
29th June 2013 - 0:41

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I always thought he had, but if it was a national team why does it have Peugeot and BP on it? I thought nationals were unsponsored?

posted by farrell [1247 posts]
29th June 2013 - 0:51

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I think that photo/s were of Tom advertising his nationality in the TDF rather than a team or nationals thing. Like I said good photos though and yes I have nicked them for screensavers so thank you Big Grin

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posted by cidermart [454 posts]
29th June 2013 - 1:03

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Why hasn't the jersey got the Manx flag or Welsh flag on it (not that I can remember a Welsh British Champion). And on a pedantic note:

Gkam84, it is a Union Flag, it is only an Union Jack when flown on a ship.
Cidermart, the word you are looking for is moot (adjective
meaning subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty) not mute (adjective meaning refraining from speech or temporarily speechless).

posted by Welsh boy [102 posts]
29th June 2013 - 6:58

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if you're going to be a flag pedant, at least make sure you're correct. 'Union Jack' has been the official name of the flag since 1908.

http://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/british-flags/the-union-jack-or-the-unio...

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7234 posts]
29th June 2013 - 7:41

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farrell wrote:
cidermart wrote:
Sorry fella I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one. The whole point of the jersey is to display your national colours and for Britain it is the Hoops. I’m not bothered about BC directives however I do believe in Heritage and ours is in those Hoops! I have never understood this idea of ‘Tweaking historical things to make them look better’ because it does not work. For instance shall we paint the Forth Rail Bridge a greyish blue because after all that is the colour of lead? Err no that would be stupid! Leave things as they are and don’t worry about the face in the jersey as that will change; after all I don’t remember you being this vociferous when Stannard got the Hoops. Thinking

Are you sure about that?

http://www.thebicyclestory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Tom-Simpson-30...

http://spinwell.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/afp-13-07-67-e1286877670818.jpg?w=450&h=587

He certainly won the Worlds but did he win the British roads jersey? In which case a moot (edited check out the English lesson further down Wink ) point.

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posted by cidermart [454 posts]
29th June 2013 - 13:00

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And it is British as opposed to English, Scottish, Northern Irish, Manx, Channel Islands or Welsh.

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posted by cidermart [454 posts]
29th June 2013 - 13:06

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Just seen the flag on this picture, but I doubt they are his racing shorts.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q77/1043944_54233...

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posted by Gkam84 [8645 posts]
29th June 2013 - 13:25

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they are his racing shorts, looks like

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7234 posts]
29th June 2013 - 13:37

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Welsh boy wrote:
not that I can remember a Welsh British Champion

Geraint Thomas?

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7234 posts]
29th June 2013 - 13:42

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I'm not sure he has the flag on the one's he's racing in.

Yup GT for a welsh champ, but Nicole Cook for a Welsh and World champ at the same time Wink

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posted by Gkam84 [8645 posts]
29th June 2013 - 14:40

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Gkam84 wrote:
I'm not sure he has the flag on the one's he's racing in

yeah he does, seen it in the coverage

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7234 posts]
29th June 2013 - 14:41

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Well I suppose I'll have to let him off for the shit jersey then. It really does look awful not I've seen him racing in it

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posted by Gkam84 [8645 posts]
29th June 2013 - 15:01

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Oops, should have remembered Geraint, thanks

posted by Welsh boy [102 posts]
29th June 2013 - 21:15

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But according to the official site of the British Monarchy,

"...a proclamation by Charles II that the Union Flag should be flown only by ships of the Royal Navy as a jack..."

Anyway, the jersey still looks dated but what a privilege it must be to be able to wear it, i wouldn't mind looking dated in it!

posted by Welsh boy [102 posts]
29th June 2013 - 21:24

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