Giro Prize Suggestion

by enrique   April 29, 2013  

Well, here I go with a crazy idea.

The last week of the Giro seems to be tailor made for Premium members to stack up on transfers and come in with a bunch of sprinters on the last day... And therefore beat the crap out of any Standard player still standing! Smile I guess it would probably take a miracle for anyone playing Standard to win in this scenario.

So, how about this? Smile

Dave, why don't you award ANY Standard player who is in the Top 50 in the Giro standings at that point, say Stage 16, 17 or 18, at your discretion, a 'CARRY OVER ALL YOUR TRANSFERS FOR THE LAST WEEK OF THE GIRO' card as a reward for being in the running at the end of the competition?

I can't imagine there'll be too many Standard players left in the running at that point and it would certainly reward a smart player who's broke! Smile

On the other hand, if not that, why not give the Top Standard player for the Giro a FREE Premium membership as a prize at the end of the competition? Sounds nice to me! Smile

Or maybe you could award a Free Premium membership for next year, to the 4th place, or whatever position that does not get a prize at the end of a competition, whether they are Standrad or Premium? Just for fun! Will you think about it? Thanks! Smile

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I thought we'd had a few weeks without this raising it's head again.

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posted by obutterwick [528 posts]
2nd May 2013 - 23:01

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enrique wrote:
...I guess it would probably take a miracle for anyone playing Standard to win in this scenario....

I stand corrected. 11 Stages in and these are the highest ranking Standard Players in the Giro overall competition...

3 petiagos petiagos 1155
4 Pharmacie Roulant Jonas Lorenzen 1144 2
5 Eyeballs Out richardk9 1135
6 Mountain Renegade tony kappler 1127 2
7 Gilbert and Sullivan Gilbert and Sullivan 1124
8 karlake2 karlake2 1122 3
9 ZACATON anita 1115
10 Indurains lungs Samacollins 1105 7
11 rock n rouleurs matanhale 1099 8
12 Team Velosive Sebbe87 1094 4
12= Rangaedge Rangaedge 1094 11
14 Team Sky Blue NeilG83 1092 8
15 mischelka mischelka 1086 5
15= Hinaults Uno Hinaults Uno 1086 3
17 Eds Ripley Riders Eds Ripley Riders 1084 11
18 Guybrush Threepwood 2MeterPeter 1083
19 ProVelo ricycle 1080 4
20 pclark007 pclark007 1076 12
21 Got Milk TheDoctor 1074 5
21= CPT RACERS KIEF77 1074 7
23 Lampre-LSD ewen 1073 4
24 Polski Grifter Club PolishDave 1072 9
25 Klefbet.com kleff 1071 1

Pretty impressive! Smile

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
15th May 2013 - 23:25

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4th place Jonas Lorenzen is a premium player?

posted by ray silvester [1808 posts]
17th May 2013 - 11:47

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enrique wrote:
... The last week of the Giro seems to be tailor made for Premium members to stack up on transfers and come in with a bunch of sprinters on the last day... And therefore beat the crap out of any Standard player still standing! I guess it would probably take a miracle for anyone playing Standard to win in this scenario...

Ok, so the last week is here... And these are the Standard Players left standing in the Top 25:

Overall Ranking Team Team Owner
2 Mountain Renegade tony kappler
4 rock n rouleurs matanhale
7 petiagos petiagos
8 Polski Grifter Club PolishDave
11 Guybrush Threepwood 2MeterPeter
13 Eyeballs Out richardk9
14 Chute Collective Chute Collective
15 Indurains lungs Samacollins
17 Rangaedge Rangaedge
20 BaggyBoy999 BaggyBoy999
23 Leipheimer not weeks memories of meseeuw

I have to admit there are way (!) more Standard Players up there in the Top 25 than I expected! (11/25) Smile So maybe, banking transfers is realy not that (!) much of an advantage! Surprise

Now, it would be cool to know how may people will start banking transfers, how many will use all 4 rest day transfers, how many will bank 2 for Wednesday and how many people will be able to bank any more than 4 for the last stage... But, of course that would be giving away your strategy Smile

So, if you're up to it, I would love to hear how many transfers you end up saving for Sunday! Thanks! Smile

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
20th May 2013 - 7:00

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I have banked 90 transfers and intend to make 12 every day for the rest of the race.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
20th May 2013 - 7:14

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Maybe it's just me but I'm not sure I have managed to bank and use more than 2 transfers yet all season! It's a nice thought but I usually seem to find a transfer or two I want to make each day. Sad

posted by stevemarks [409 posts]
20th May 2013 - 8:32

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enrique wrote:
... I can't imagine there'll be too many Standard players left in the running at that point [this week}...

I could never have imagined how wrong I was going to be (!). The top spot and the No. 3 spot are being held by Standard players right now! Wow!...

enrique wrote:
... Stage 16 is, if you ask me, a transitional stage... You could technically keep your team from Stage 15, which is right before the rest day, and score enough points to keep in the running. You could techinically bank your 4 transfers from the rest day that day. And if you had a nice team for Stage 14, you might be able to bank those and bank 6 after the rest day. You know that sometimes... keeping the GC guys on your team turns out quite nicely...

On the other hand, keeping their team from Stage 15 and banking transfers turned out pretty nicely for STEVESPRO and drheaton! Smile

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
22nd May 2013 - 4:54

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Enrique, i still cant get over the fact you have so much interest and passion for the game but cant find a tenner to play premium, the mind boggles, it really does mate. Thinking

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posted by stumps [2709 posts]
22nd May 2013 - 17:19

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I can't get over how much he requotes himself.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
22nd May 2013 - 17:41

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drheaton wrote:
I can't get over how much he requotes himself.

I know, tell me about it!

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
22nd May 2013 - 17:41

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drheaton wrote:
I can't get over how much he requotes himself.

drheaton wrote:
I know, tell me about it!

Laughing Ha ha ha ha ha! Good one! Smile

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
22nd May 2013 - 17:55

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TheBigMong wrote:
...so yeah, sometimes you just gotta do... nothing. Big Grin ...

Gkam84 wrote:
...took in Cav, Mezgec and Nizzolo for Uran, Nibali and Rollin today. Didn't lose to much, but... Angry

Heh heh! Smile

enrique wrote:
Well, tactically speaking, I beg to differ...

Stage 16 is, if you ask me, a transitional stage... You could technically keep your team from Stage 15, which is right before the rest day, and score enough points to keep in the running...

Stage 17 is a flat finish... but, again, you might do quite nicely to just leave the guys high on GC on your team...

Laughing Ha ha ha ha ha! Bow to the wisdom of enrique... Anybody care to argue against the foresight of the strategy I spelled out three weeks ago? Laughing Hah ha ha ha ha!

Bow down, drheaton, bow down STEVESPRO, notwithstanding your recent stage win! Then again, maybe I should shut up, after all, at last call, I was No. 591 in the competition and you were No. 54 and No. 195 overall respectively! Thinking So what? Laughing Ha ha ha ha ha!

Ok, so I'm a little deluded... Changing over to Visconti or Navardauskas, especially (!) Navardauskas, or Mezgec would have definitely done you good yesterday and today(!), but (!) all the same... it wasn't such a bad or bold idea to leave the team unchanged if you were Premium or (!) Standard (!) Smile Just kidding, of course... Blowing off all the frustration of not being able to play Premium... Broken Heart

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
22nd May 2013 - 18:14

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stumps wrote:
Enrique, i still cant get over the fact you have so much interest and passion for the game but cant find a tenner to play premium, the mind boggles, it really does mate. Thinking

I agree, it's laughable, he should put up or shut up.

posted by northstar [1100 posts]
22nd May 2013 - 18:23

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enrique wrote:
I can't imagine there'll be too many Standard players left in the running

ten out of the top 20.

so can we stop going on about it now?

thanks

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posted by Dave Atkinson [7318 posts]
22nd May 2013 - 21:50

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enrique wrote:
...I guess it would probably take a miracle for anyone playing Standard to win in this scenario....

enrique wrote:
I can't imagine there'll be too many Standard players left in the running

Dave Atkinson wrote:
... ten out of the top 20.

so can we stop going on about it now?...

Noted already below and in the Standard Team Giro Updates thread. Maybe! Wink

enrique wrote:
I stand corrected. 11 Stages in and these are the highest ranking Standard Players in the Giro overall competition...

3 petiagos petiagos 1155
4 Pharmacie Roulant Jonas Lorenzen 1144 2
5 Eyeballs Out richardk9 1135
6 Mountain Renegade tony kappler 1127 2
7 Gilbert and Sullivan Gilbert and Sullivan 1124
8 karlake2 karlake2 1122 3
9 ZACATON anita 1115
10 Indurains lungs Samacollins 1105 7
11 rock n rouleurs matanhale 1099 8
12 Team Velosive Sebbe87 1094 4
12= Rangaedge Rangaedge 1094 11
14 Team Sky Blue NeilG83 1092 8
15 mischelka mischelka 1086 5
15= Hinaults Uno Hinaults Uno 1086 3
17 Eds Ripley Riders Eds Ripley Riders 1084 11
18 Guybrush Threepwood 2MeterPeter 1083
19 ProVelo ricycle 1080 4
20 pclark007 pclark007 1076 12
21 Got Milk TheDoctor 1074 5
21= CPT RACERS KIEF77 1074 7
23 Lampre-LSD ewen 1073 4
24 Polski Grifter Club PolishDave 1072 9
25 Klefbet.com kleff 1071 1

Pretty impressive! Smile

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 1:53

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Ok, I admit defeat in my logic that having unlimited banking of transfers is an insurmountable advantage for Premium Players. So far, the numbers prove me wrong.... Big Grin

My only consolation? That the strategy of doing nothing this week to save transfers was a viable one... Wink

But, me being me, I want to wait till the end before I have my final word on it! Big Grin

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 1:57

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And kind of demolishes any of your excuses?

posted by ray silvester [1808 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 8:54

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Yes, I think we can safely put to bed any concerns that being able to bank transfers gives premium members an unfair advantage.

It all comes down to how good your picks are.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 9:04

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Exactly, yes banked transfers can help in certain situations, but they didn't help me move from 69th to 39th in the past two stages, that was down to me taking a punt on Navardauskas, using just one transfer, but getting it right.

Your almost tempted to change thins with too many transfers, when actually no changes, or maybe 1 change is all that is required.

posted by TERatcliffe26 [3890 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 9:29

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Agreed, I shouldn't have changed my team yesterday but having 8 transfers I felt I needed to. That lost me about 50 points and dropped me down the table again and pretty much killed any hopes I had of a top 20 finish.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 9:43

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It will only really(although i do mean r-e-a-l-l-y) help now in Brescia.

posted by ray silvester [1808 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 10:23

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Hi guys; I'm coming 2nd in Giro (standard player).
Question; do excess transfers carry across to next race? I presumed they do.
My opinion for what it is worth, is that carrying over excess transfers for a 3 week race is worth 40 points (for that race) if they are kept within the one race, and 100 points if they can be carried across to the next race.
My reason for not going Premium is lack of computer access at certain times (camping in the bush).
And yes, I'd love a complimentary upgrade for the rest of the year.
And finally, thank you for such a great fantasy site; slick and sophisticated and a complex enough scoring system to keep one interested.
Cheers

posted by tony kappler [31 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 12:21

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tony kappler wrote:
Hi guys; I'm coming 2nd in Giro (standard player).
Question; do excess transfers carry across to next race? I presumed they do.
My opinion for what it is worth, is that carrying over excess transfers for a 3 week race is worth 40 points (for that race) if they are kept within the one race, and 100 points if they can be carried across to the next race.
My reason for not going Premium is lack of computer access at certain times (camping in the bush).
And yes, I'd love a complimentary upgrade for the rest of the year.
And finally, thank you for such a great fantasy site; slick and sophisticated and a complex enough scoring system to keep one interested.
Cheers

No, every race is a separate competition so the carrying forward of transfers doesn't apply between races, just within an individual race so you can carry forward transfers during the Giro but not from the Giro to the Criterium du Dauphine or Tour de France.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 12:33

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tony kappler wrote:
... And finally, thank you for such a great fantasy site; slick and sophisticated and a complex enough scoring system to keep one interested.
Cheers

Beautiful sentiment...

tony kappler wrote:
Hi guys; I'm coming 2nd in Giro (Standard Player)....

Man, I can't believe you're playing that well! Smile Where have you been? Your play is amazing! Smile How long have you been playing? Glad you came to the forum!

tony kappler wrote:
... And yes, I'd love a complimentary upgrade for the rest of the year...

And I think you should (!) and hope you do (!) get one, especially if you come in first, either in the overall Giro competition or just are the best Standard player! Smile

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 15:18

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ray silvester wrote:
It will only really (although i do mean r-e-a-l-l-y) help now in Brescia.

Right! That's exactly what I mean! Coming in to Brescia a Premium player might be able to bring in 5, 6, 7 or even 8 (!) sprinters (!), while a Standard player can only bring in 4 (!) without incurring penalty transfers! Smile The competition might be lost there! Smile Thrilling scenario, though! Smile Almost as good as the race itself (!) Smile

Of course, with guys like Evans bringing in 14 or 15 points due to GC, PC and other points you won't need all that many sprinters... Thinking

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
23rd May 2013 - 15:40

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Cancellation of Stage 19 should swing it back a bit so it's not as big an advantage?

posted by ray silvester [1808 posts]
24th May 2013 - 11:01

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stumps wrote:
Enrique, i still cant get over the fact you have so much interest and passion for the game but cant find a tenner to play premium, the mind boggles, it really does mate. Thinking

There's always someone who wants owt for nowt Angry
Does Enrique promote `PPI Claims' as well Thinking

I'm always in two minds
Then I go and pick the wrong one Sad

posted by fluffchucker [283 posts]
24th May 2013 - 12:22

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ray silvester wrote:
Cancellation of Stage 19 should swing it back a bit so it's not as big an advantage?

I'm not sure... It is (!) more (!) transfers you can bank... Thinking

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
25th May 2013 - 11:12

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Last day (before the last stage!) Standard Player Standings:

2 Mountain Renegade tony kappler
4 Eyeballs Out richardk9
5 rock n rouleurs matanhale
7 Polski Grifter Club PolishDave
12 specialneeds specialneeds
14 Guybrush Threepwood 2MeterPeter
15 Leipheimer not weeks memories of meseeuw
16 Meagre Farmer Otto Tom Amos
16= petiagos petiagos
18 DAMS-Lidl mafioso
21 EPO Ealing gruenstein
24 Chute Collective Chute Collective

12 Standard Players in the Top 25

Wow, we'll see tomorrow what happens... Huge inherent advantage for Premium Players, because they can bring in 1, 2, 3 or more sprinters (any more might not be necessary, even if they're available!) without incurring any Penalty transfers, and no Standard player has an advantage to absorb that point blow, but (!), you never know!

(It's not about the bike! It's about playing the game! Wink )

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
25th May 2013 - 11:35

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tony kappler wrote:
Hi guys; I'm coming 2nd in Giro (Standard Player)....

tony kappler wrote:
... And yes, I'd love a complimentary upgrade for the rest of the year...

enrique wrote:
...maybe Standard Players deserve... their own (!) prize...

Dude, Congratulations! Fantastic play! An inspiration! Smile Hope you enjoy the Giro helmet! Smile

Same to presenrumu08 and karlake2! Smile

Never (!) been so attentive in a competititon! Smile

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posted by enrique [1734 posts]
27th May 2013 - 13:48

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