Vuelta al Pais Vasco - Stage 4

by drheaton   April 4, 2013  

Tough decisions to make today, will Txurruka go in the break again?  Will the same people be racing for the win or will the slightly easier finale make for a different selection.

My transfer decisions are basically which 2 of 3 riders do I drop for which 2 of 3 I want?

I can either drop Fuglsang and Barguil for Ulissi and Didier or another sub 6 credit rider or I can drop Peraud and Barguil for Ulissi and Txurruka.

I don't really want to drop Peraud and I'm worried that Txurruka pretty much has the jersey sewn up now so won't go in the break today but he's a guaranteed 10 points whatever happens.

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damn u fuglsang!! no full house cheers then.....

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posted by livestrongnick [2175 posts]
4th April 2013 - 17:28

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Why do I have the feeling that having 1-6, 13 and 15 on the stage and 1-6 and 9 on GC (with no Txuruka and 10 penalty points) will not scare anyone?

posted by cgipryan [178 posts]
4th April 2013 - 17:37

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Timbo13 wrote:
Txurruka rolled in 129th on stage

Readying himself for the big assault tomorrow perhaps? Wink

posted by chrisdstripes [1718 posts]
4th April 2013 - 18:02

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arsene wrote:

Spilak took the points, so it must have been bfore he got caught. There was even a 2k descent. So I'd score that. Wink

I'd score it too. Go on Dave, you know it makes sense!

posted by chrisdstripes [1718 posts]
4th April 2013 - 18:03

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The same finish was used in last years Vuelta, so I'd suggest doing the same as whatever was done then.

posted by Wig_Billy [579 posts]
4th April 2013 - 18:20

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Usually such finishes are not scored.

posted by Alan Tullett [1580 posts]
4th April 2013 - 18:28

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Wig_Billy wrote:
The same finish was used in last years Vuelta, so I'd suggest doing the same as whatever was done then.

I remember it was scored then Contador took the points i guess. Nerd

posted by arsene [217 posts]
4th April 2013 - 18:29

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arsene wrote:
Wig_Billy wrote:
The same finish was used in last years Vuelta, so I'd suggest doing the same as whatever was done then.

I remember it was scored then Contador took the points i guess. Nerd


Looking back at my palmares, and the results from that stage, I think the climb was scored. Froome took 34 fantasy points which I can only make work if he was given the 2 points for 4th over the climb. (3rd on the stage and 4th on GC for 32 + 2 for the climb)

posted by simon F [1043 posts]
4th April 2013 - 18:46

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1,2,3,5,6 for the stage and 1,2,3,4,5. Overall....plus a few extras for txurrika...not bad

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posted by JAndrewHill [1274 posts]
4th April 2013 - 19:04

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Alan Tullett wrote:
Usually such finishes are not scored.

If the finish line is also the KOM line, then they aren't scored, but that isn't the case here. I don't care either way, but it seems funny to have it as a discretionary rule when it could just be black-and-white - all KOMs count unless it is also the finish line.

posted by chrisdstripes [1718 posts]
4th April 2013 - 19:31

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Personally i think if its a summit finish you should get KOM points, you would if it was a mountain earlier in the stage so why not here ?

There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

posted by stumps [3198 posts]
4th April 2013 - 19:41

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Because you don't get sprint points on a flat stage but you do in intermediate sprints, what's the difference?

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
4th April 2013 - 19:59

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chrisdstripes wrote:
Alan Tullett wrote:
Usually such finishes are not scored.

If the finish line is also the KOM line, then they aren't scored, but that isn't the case here. I don't care either way, but it seems funny to have it as a discretionary rule when it could just be black-and-white - all KOMs count unless it is also the finish line.

Its discretionary because every stage is different, what if the summit is 500mm before the finish line, or 1km? Surely 500m is too close to the finish, that's practically a summit?

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
4th April 2013 - 20:03

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Rather than being a summit finish, this was more of a PLUMMET finish....as Talanski and a.n.other will concur

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posted by JAndrewHill [1274 posts]
4th April 2013 - 20:05

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It's the same finish as Stage 3 of last year's Vuelta. The finish is approx 2km after the KoM point. The KoM was scored then so it should probably be scored this time. I don't really care one way or the other though. I'd just like a decision so we can all find out our scores for the day.

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posted by simon F [1043 posts]
4th April 2013 - 20:25

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drheaton wrote:
... I'll have to take a look at the profile when I score the stage...

Why oes it take so long to score the stage and put up the results? Sad

Alan Tullett wrote:
Usually such finishes are not scored.

chrisdstripes wrote:

If the finish line is also the KOM line, then they aren't scored, but that isn't the case here.... it seems funny to have it as a discretionary rule when it could just be black-and-white - all KOMs count unless it is also the finish line.

I agree... Score it...

stumps wrote:
Personally i think if its a summit finish you should get KOM points, you would if it was a mountain earlier in the stage so why not here ?

I agree...

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
4th April 2013 - 20:28

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Apologies for the delay, after a stewards enquiry the official decision is that the points count.

In future, if it's a HM (high mountain stage, as today's is) then it's not officially a summit finish and therefore the KoM point will apply.

Make sense?

Scores are updating.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
4th April 2013 - 20:29

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drheaton wrote:
Apologies for the delay, after a stewards enquiry the official decision is that the points count.

In future, if it's a HM (high mountain stage, as today's is) then it's not officially a summit finish and therefore the KoM point will apply.

Make sense?

Scores are updating.


All seems perfectly reasonable and makes sense. Thanks for sorting it out (with or without the stewards' help)

posted by simon F [1043 posts]
4th April 2013 - 20:31

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enrique wrote:
drheaton wrote:
... I'll have to take a look at the profile when I score the stage...

Why oes it take so long to score the stage and put up the results? Sad

Enrique, the full results have only been available for a short while (we have to wait for official results on all climbs/sprints etc) so it's not like we can update them immediately on the finish of the race. I can't rely on unofficial twitter feeds or anything like that, I need cold hard official results or something like what Cycling News provides which is what I usually use.

Anyway, those doing the scoring also have jobs and other commitments that mean that it may take until 8pm or 9pm to put up scores some days. Apologies if this is too late for you but we're doing it voluntarily.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
4th April 2013 - 20:34

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I think I've got this right - I have 3 transfers for tommorrow but if i don't use one, I will lose it / won't have 5 for the TT?

Thanks

posted by northstar [1113 posts]
4th April 2013 - 21:24

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JAndrewHill wrote:
Rather than being a summit finish, this was more of a PLUMMET finish....as Talanski and a.n.other will concur

That deserves a big laughing face Laughing

posted by chrisdstripes [1718 posts]
4th April 2013 - 21:28

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NeilG83 wrote:
1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9 for me today! Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

Nice one Neil - stage win!

posted by chrisdstripes [1718 posts]
4th April 2013 - 21:28

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northstar wrote:
I think I've got this right - I have 3 transfers for tommorrow but if i don't use one, I will lose it / won't have 5 for the TT?

Thanks

It depends, are you premium? Standard players can carry two forward so can have at most 4, there is no limit on how many transfers a premium player can roll forward.

posted by drheaton [3429 posts]
4th April 2013 - 22:08

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Yeah, I'm premium, i thought the same rules applied, thanks dr Cool

posted by northstar [1113 posts]
4th April 2013 - 22:18

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I have been playing this game for almost 2 years and have finally finished 1st on a stage. 255pts for me today.

Have got all the badges except the 10,000pts now too. Big Grin

posted by NeilG83 [287 posts]
4th April 2013 - 22:35

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NeilG83 wrote:
I... finally finished 1st on a stage. 255pts for me today.

Wow! Pretty cool! Nice! Smile You must be 1st on the High Scores for the season, too! Smile

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posted by enrique [2308 posts]
4th April 2013 - 22:50

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NeilG83 wrote:
I have been playing this game for almost 2 years and have finally finished 1st on a stage. 255pts for me today.

Have got all the badges except the 10,000pts now too. Big Grin

Chapeau NeilG83......I'll race you to the 10K badge?

Although I've Still never had a stage win Thinking

posted by ray silvester [1867 posts]
5th April 2013 - 0:31

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ray silvester wrote:
NeilG83 wrote:
I have been playing this game for almost 2 years and have finally finished 1st on a stage. 255pts for me today.

Have got all the badges except the 10,000pts now too. Big Grin

Chapeau NeilG83......I'll race you to the 10K badge?

Although I've Still never had a stage win Thinking

I think you'll beat me to 10K Ray. You're more than 500pts ahead of me at the moment.

Kept the same team for today, so I can have 4 transfers available before the TT.

posted by NeilG83 [287 posts]
5th April 2013 - 15:20

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TERatcliffe26 wrote:
ray silvester wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
drheaton wrote:
Dropped Spilak, Barguil and Fuglsang, drafted in Cardoso, Txurruka and Ulissi

Contador
Peraud
Porte
Sanchez
Quintana
Ulissi
Cardoso
Txurruka
Betancurt

In the end decided that Spilak was boring and steady enough to get rid of, can't see him getting more than 15 points today. Plan is to keep it broadly the same tomorrow then bring in Martin, Talansky and a couple of others and drop Contador, maybe Quintana and possibly Sanchez.

Drop Contador, really?

Quintana had a good ITT recently too (Paris-Nice Col D'Eze)3rd behind Porte/Talansky and beating Tejay,Kloden,Peraud,Chavanel,Coppel,Menchov,Velits and Spilak amongst others¬!!

Yes but that was totally different, 9km up a hill is what Qunitana is good at, not 24km on rolling terrain

As I said Wink

posted by ray silvester [1867 posts]
6th April 2013 - 17:11

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ray silvester wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
ray silvester wrote:
TERatcliffe26 wrote:
drheaton wrote:
Dropped Spilak, Barguil and Fuglsang, drafted in Cardoso, Txurruka and Ulissi

Contador
Peraud
Porte
Sanchez
Quintana
Ulissi
Cardoso
Txurruka
Betancurt

In the end decided that Spilak was boring and steady enough to get rid of, can't see him getting more than 15 points today. Plan is to keep it broadly the same tomorrow then bring in Martin, Talansky and a couple of others and drop Contador, maybe Quintana and possibly Sanchez.

Drop Contador, really?

Quintana had a good ITT recently too (Paris-Nice Col D'Eze)3rd behind Porte/Talansky and beating Tejay,Kloden,Peraud,Chavanel,Coppel,Menchov,Velits and Spilak amongst others¬!!

Yes but that was totally different, 9km up a hill is what Qunitana is good at, not 24km on rolling terrain

As I said Wink

Well I paid the price, it was a surprise though

posted by TERatcliffe26 [4444 posts]
6th April 2013 - 17:54

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