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I think the stage definitions for this race could do with another look. Is stage 1 really high mountains? The highest point in the stage is only 614m above sea level.

I also think we could do with another level between flat and medium mountains (hilly?). Stage 7 - a circuit with repeated climbs of Montjuic (roughly 150m summit) is obviously not flat but mountains of any description is pushing it a bit.

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Gkam84 [9088 posts] 3 years ago
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Yup stage one should be medium along with stage 6

There is nothing between Medium and Flat, so stage 7 is right

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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Stage 1 has four categorised climbs, one of which is cat 1 (6km at up to 8%), stage 6 has two climbs which are cat 1 (10km long, tops out at over 1000m, ramps of up to 6%) and cat 2.

I make medium mountains as generally cat 3 or cat 2 at a push. Anything category 1 in my book is a proper mountain and with multiple other climbs I think that deserves high mountain status but I'm happy to be overruled.

The changes can be made but as values are set changing the stage status will alter little.

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ray silvester [1836 posts] 3 years ago
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Any stage can be made to look like Mont Ventoux....it all depends on the scales on the x/y axis.....I'm playing it this way:

Standard:I set up a climbing team as if for stage 3 and then worked backwards so that I put 4 tough guy finishers in for stage 1/2(they strike me as Tour of Cali type MM stages) so that I can use the 4 transfers before stage 3 to get back to my climbing team.

Purist:Plenty of categorised climbing points on the uphill stages make it worthwhile to favour the mountain goats but still have 1 of the sprinters as he could easily top 5 in 3 of the stages.Of the big GC guys only 2 of them have proven form so far this season so they went in then a couple of young French climbers and,surprisingly 3 Poles(I thought before selection that it would be full of Spanish/South Americans).

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simon F [1002 posts] 3 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Yup stage one should be medium along with stage 6

There is nothing between Medium and Flat, so stage 7 is right

I'd agree with all that. My point there was that perhaps there should be something between medium and flat. Montjuic isn't a mountain, however many time you go up and down parts of it.

None of what I was saying was a complaint about the game, just an attempt to start a conversation.

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simon F [1002 posts] 3 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

Stage 1 has four categorised climbs, one of which is cat 1 (6km at up to 8%), stage 6 has two climbs which are cat 1 (10km long, tops out at over 1000m, ramps of up to 6%) and cat 2.

I make medium mountains as generally cat 3 or cat 2 at a push. Anything category 1 in my book is a proper mountain and with multiple other climbs I think that deserves high mountain status but I'm happy to be overruled.

The changes can be made but as values are set changing the stage status will alter little.

Firstly, please don't get me wrong - I didn't intend to complain or to denigrate the effort put into the game by road.cc or by the volunteers who help out with the extra races. I only wanted to start a discussion about it, plus possibly bring the profiles to the attention of those who might only rely on the stage definitions.

I don't have a problem with stage 6 - MM seems fair. I still think stage 1 is more MM than HM but if the presence of a Cat 1 climb is the criterion chosen to define this, then fair enough. At least we know and can decide based on that.

Stage 7 really needs a new category. The climb, although repeated often, is only 120m (vertically) so not really a mountain. Without that extra cat though, I suppose MM is the only real choice - it's certainly not flat.

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Gkam84 [9088 posts] 3 years ago
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MY BAD,

I just checked the official site, which does NOT show the profile very well at all. Check else where and you will see that Dr H has it set up right.  1

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Alan Tullett [1568 posts] 3 years ago
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Re: stage 1.

Always best to look at the description of the route for detailed information (etepa detallada on the official site), profiles can be misleading, eg stage 6 TA. None of the average gradients or ramps are anything to bother a reasonably strong sprinter. Most commentators seem to think stage 1 will come to some kind of sprint. Always best to remember when choosing teams that different tours have different descriptions of categorised climbs so although it's categorised as 1 here, in a Grand Tour it would probably be 3; it's only 6km at 5.6% early in the race after all, so unlikely to be a turning point. The official description is:

Rampas en 6 kms. - Desnivel medio 5,6% - Rampas maximas 8%

As far as the game goes I don't look at the stage descriptions at all. How the values are calculated is how the values are calculated. Last year and the year before it was more intuition, this year it's more maths-based. They're the same for everyone after all.

With regard to choosing a team I'm looking at the stage description more now and less at the profile, whereas before it was the other way round. I would have won TA purist if I'd done that for stage 6 and seen how tough it really was and had fewer sprinters in my purist team. Luckily I checked before choosing my standard team.

For VC though, in spite of what I've just said about stage 1, my purist team is going to be packed with climbers.

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TERatcliffe26 [4658 posts] 3 years ago
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Same my purist team is 2 sprinters and 6 climbers/GC type guys and 1 cheap guy who could climb, could be in a breakaway who knows

As for my team for stage 1 Ive gone for 5 stronger sprint types (so no Guardini, although i do have a teammate of his) along with 4 for the climbing/GC in aid of having 4 transfers for stage 3 to get rid of 4 of the sprinter types

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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Start list has been updated. A few changes, and full Caja Rural roster up now too. Pick away!

Will do a final update in the morning in case of last minute changes.

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northstar [1108 posts] 3 years ago
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Thanks Dr  16

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JAndrewHill [1207 posts] 3 years ago
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Two of my purists arent riding. Bye bye marcynski hello euskatel rider

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JAndrewHill [1207 posts] 3 years ago
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For the vuelta in north east spain,
Picking my purists was quite a pain
Bit now ive picked my man Losada
With the columbian, Nairo Quintana

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Squiggle [403 posts] 3 years ago
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I don't know if I'm daft or not but there's a bloke on my standard team who might do well in the first 2 stages but he just raced MSR so he'll surely be ill by tomorrow morning. Imagine doing that race one day then jumping on a plane to Spain and starting a stage race the next day! I think I'll probably take him out! He didn't finish MSR but got way too deep into it before dropping out!

Yeah I've just talked myself into a change.

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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Teams picked, my purist is loaded with climbers, my standard with strong sprinters.

Hoping to get a jump on everyone by having more sprinters than the rest tomorrow. Plus at 10 points each I can make a load of penalty transfers if I need to.

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ray silvester [1836 posts] 3 years ago
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Squiggle wrote:

I don't know if I'm daft or not but there's a bloke on my standard team who might do well in the first 2 stages but he just raced MSR so he'll surely be ill by tomorrow morning. Imagine doing that race one day then jumping on a plane to Spain and starting a stage race the next day! I think I'll probably take him out! He didn't finish MSR but got way too deep into it before dropping out!

Yeah I've just talked myself into a change.

You mean Gerrans?

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Squiggle [403 posts] 3 years ago
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Yeah Gerrans, I went and swapped him out as I imagine he probably feels like crap this morning. Made another change too. He'll probably go and win now  16

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Stumps [3354 posts] 3 years ago
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My team is very similar to all the rest at the mo, purist filled with climbers etc etc and my standard has 2 sprinters in for stage one and they will be swapped out for the rest of the race starting tomorrow.

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chrisdstripes [1731 posts] 3 years ago
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Simon 15.7 or Quintana 15.5 for my purists?  39 Keep changing my mind. Its a tricky one this - lots of big names but many of them won't have hit form yet - who'll be going for the overall I wonder? Last year was basically the Albasini and Simon show, but the 2 big summit finishes look more severe this week...

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TERatcliffe26 [4658 posts] 3 years ago
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Well here are my teams, this could go horribly wrong

Standard

Simon
Dumoulin
Meersman
Wellens
Ratto
Machado
Majka
Hesjedal
Uran

Purist

Simon
Dumoulin
Arroyo
Spilak
Aru
Majka
Martin
Valverde
Uran

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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Standard
Valverde
Meersman
Davis
Simon
Guardini
Dumoulin
Cardoso
Haedo
Kreder

Purist
Rodriguez
Valverde
Horner
Meersman
Simon
Cardoso
jeandesboz
Ruijgh
Arroyo

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Benway [75 posts] 3 years ago
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STD:

Davis
Dumoulin
Kohler
Guardini
Clarke
de Gendt
Rodriguez
Niocentini
Cam Meier

PURE:

Rodriguez
Niocentini
de Gendt
Betancurt
Rujano
Machado
Ten Dam
Fugslang
Navarro

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Stumps [3354 posts] 3 years ago
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Purist:
Wiggins
Pinot
Zubeldia
Kadri
Quintana
Lopez
Spilak
Szmyd
Ruijgh

Standard

Meersman
Uran
Dumoulin
Rodriguez
Wagner
Spilak
Pate
Kadri
Kohler

Picked Wiggo for purist and J-Rod for standard as i feel one of these will win overall.

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ray silvester [1836 posts] 3 years ago
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My purists:

J-Rod
Valverde
Jeannesson
Elissonde
Majka
Domagalski
Horner
Spilak
Fenn(last minute swap in for the non runner Matthews).

My Standard:
Valverde
Jeannesson
Elissonde
Quintana
Nocentini
Meersman*
Davis*
Fenn*
Dumoulin*

The * denotes that they are coming out for stage 3 for climbers(and I'll have enough credits to accomodate J-Rod and 14.9 for the remaining 3 spots!!)

Feeling confident about this one(always a bad sign!!)

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ray silvester [1836 posts] 3 years ago
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Picked Wiggo for purist and J-Rod for standard as i feel one of these will win overall.[/quote]

I'd have gone the other way round as we're pretty clear about J-Rod's form but not Wiggo's and you'll be stuck with him if he's using this as training or supporting Uran?

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livestrongnick [2118 posts] 3 years ago
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Standard

Davis
Dumoulin
Meersman
Horner
Quintana
Wiggo
Santamorita
Machado
Pineau

Purist

Wiggo
Ryder
Kohler
Horner
Santamorita
Caruso
Gavazzi
Astraloza
Rujano

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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Quote:

#VoltaCatalunya KoM 1 - 1 Salerno 2 Meier 3 Txurruka & 4 Jeannesson

Quote:

#VoltaCatalunya Gap up to 8'10" after 32km

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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Salerno and Meier out front at the minute, no time gaps or details but apparently they've gone over the first climb ahead of the peloton.

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drheaton [3318 posts] 3 years ago
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Oh, and at the first sprint:

Quote:

Sprint especial de Sant Esteve de Palautordera: 1. Meier; 2. Salerno; 3. Pineau

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ray silvester [1836 posts] 3 years ago
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Passo Collsacreu Alt (km 15.9):

1 Salerno 2 Meier 3 Txurruka 4 Jeannesson

Special Sprint Sant Esteve de Palautordera:

1 Meier 2 Salernao 3 Pineau

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chrisdstripes [1731 posts] 3 years ago
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Cool - I have Salerno in my purists - a rare breakaway for team Chris!

Standard
Davis, Meersman, J Simon, Gavazzi, Poulhies, Priedler, Betancurt, J-Rod, Valverde

Purist
Salerno, Betancurt, Eijssen, Landa, Spilak, Uran, J-Rod, Valverde, Quintana

Always fun making the random cheap picks. Got to fancy Movistar at the mo, they look darn good...

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